Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[martha rosler]

belatedly (but for the record): 

hmm, your anecdotes are impressive!  Speaking of Ecuador, I happened to
be in Quito working with a group of indigenous, mostly women, trying to
keep their market from being demolished by the government and joined in
an anti Correa march with them in summer 2015 and many other groups,
including protesters against Yasuní exploitation, feminists and  even
pharmacists against Correa, and  a group carrying large puppets of
Correa and associates in cages, and at nightfall charged by police. that
makes me an expert!

As to Bolivia, this is interesting though slightly surpassed by events: 
https://historicly.substack.com/p/evo-morales-camacho-and-the-coup?r=17930_campaign=post_medium=web_source=email=IwAR1bHyxTTAOJsei-zNBoCYer03U3suq55hsNgYw_z0V39C8cpZzJs8_4jW8

>  
> .What caused the fall of the government of Evo Morales in Bolivia is
> an uprising by the people of Bolivia and their organizations. Their
> movements demanded his resignation before the army and police did. The
> Organization of American States sustained the government until the
> bitter end

> it began with systematic attacks by the
> government of Evo Morales and Álvaro García Linera against the same
> popular movements that brought them to power, to the point that when
> they needed the movements to defend them, the movements were deactivated
> and demoralized…
etc.

 overstatement is cool. Members of Morales’s party /movement agree that
they had developed a strategy of elevating Morales to a cult figure and
disempowered the social movements, ,many of whom are pissed and
disempowered. But in the intervening days, many have indeed rallied to
the defense of the country against a putatively illegal government with
an army cutting the wiphala off their uniforms and elsewhere, and a self
anointed leader (holding up a bib copy of the Bible) tweeting that  she
is all for a government free of ‘ ritos sàtanico indigenistas” and
affirming that  “la ciudad noes para los indios que se vayan al
altiplano o al chaco!”

 A handy local (US) reference:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/14/what-the-coup-against-evo-morales-means-to-indigenous-people-like-me
“Pachamama will never return. Today Christ is returning to the
Government Palace. Bolivia is for Christ.”
"The Organization of American States cited “irregularities” without yet
providing documentation. A report
<http://cepr.net/press-center/press-releases/no-evidence-that-bolivian-election-results-were-affected-by-irregularities-or-fraud-statistical-analysis-shows>
 by
the Center for Economic and Policy Research, however, found no
irregularities and no fraud.

and then there’s lithium.

cheers,
martha


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Re: Evo Morales

[Norbert Bollow]

Here's another article, with quite a lot of additional context,
although some of the logical links strike me as a bit weak:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/11/bolivia-coup-fascist-foreign-support-fernando-camacho/

Greetings,
Norbert


On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:10:19 +0100
Felix Stalder  wrote:

> [I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in
> the Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
> liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.


<...>



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Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[Roman Seidl]

I don't think you have to defend the coup if you acknowledge that at the core 
why the coup was successful there may be an uprising of people who once backed 
Morales.

Its more complicated than us against MAGA.



Am 12. November 2019 02:28:00 MEZ schrieb frank tigrero 
:
>Are we really on some MAGA right wing listserv defending the coup? What
>the hell has happened here
>
>- Original message -
>From: "jmp - j.martin.peder...@gmail.com"
>
>To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
>Subject: Re:  Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up
>Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 7:19 PM
>
>On 11/11/2019 23:33, martha rosler wrote:
>> is this where nettime is heading? Toward straight rightwing talking
>points?
>>  Sheesh!
>>  Makes Morlock seem rational, or at least original.
>
>It is probably a little more complex than left/right, although it is so
>conveniently nice and easy to reduce disagreements to that.
>
>The link
>[https://towardfreedom.org/front-page-feature/bolivia-the-extreme-right-takes-advantage-of-a-popular-uprising/]
>provided by Hanns Holger Rutz is informative:
>
>"...What caused the fall of the government of Evo Morales in Bolivia is
>an uprising by the people of Bolivia and their organizations. Their
>movements demanded his resignation before the army and police did. The
>Organization of American States sustained the government until the
>bitter end
>
>...The context for what is taking place in Bolivia didn’t start with
>electoral fraud, rather it began with systematic attacks by the
>government of Evo Morales and Álvaro García Linera against the same
>popular movements that brought them to power, to the point that when
>they needed the movements to defend them, the movements were
>deactivated
>and demoralized...
>
>...The social mobilization and the refusal of movements to defend what
>in another moment they considered to be “their” government was what
>precipitated Morales’ resignation. That is made clear by the
>declarations by the Workers’ Central of Bolivia (COB), the teachers and
>authorities of the Public University of El Alto (UPEA), and dozens of
>other organizations, including Mujeres Creando, which has been perhaps
>the clearest of all. The Latin American left appears unable to accept
>that a considerable segment of popular movements demanded the
>resignation of the government, because they can’t see beyond the
>leaders
>(los caudillos)..."
>
>It is written by Raul Zibechi, who is well respected by many lefty-like
>researchers and
>activists *who actually know what is going on in Latin America*:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Zibechi
>
>https://towardfreedom.org/author/raul-zibechi/
>
>On a personal note: I happened to be in Bolivia the week after Morales
>went into office. There were protests. He was always unpopular with
>many
>indigenous and peasants,
>
>Same as Correa [Ecuador]. A Sarayaku activist friend said during
>Correa's election campaign: "It will be great for the middle classes, a
>disaster for us."
>
>And it was.
>
>Correa was praised and touted by Euro-American 'socialists' as some
>sort
>of beacon... In reality he was a cunning liar and ruthlessly used the
>military to destroy indigenous questioning of his developmentalism.
>
>Back in those days I'd receive outraged mails from "lefties" calling me
>a traitor when reporting...
>
>Here a txt msg from a Bolivian friend just came:
>
>"..Morales hords are terrorising la paz, burning houses, buses,
>persecuting innocent people, etc..."
>
>.. and so on
>
>If you want to make this a left/right issue, you will always end up on
>the right, but the wrong side.. The people of Bolivia are rising up
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Re: Evo Morales

[Roman Seidl]

What is hailing US-supported military coups then? Armchair fascism?

Sorry for being sarcastic but there is no easy solutions to these conflicts. If 
you believe just one side of the story you are lost. 

Am 12. November 2019 00:00:22 MEZ schrieb Hanns Holger Rutz :
>Maduro come next, to end the repressive regime in Venezuela. No tear
>for
>Morales from me and thirty million others. Have fun in your European
>armchair+cocktail "socialism".
>
>
>On 11/11/2019 23:49, Menno Grootveld wrote:
>> Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt
>> disinformation.
>> 
>> You better read this:
>> 
>>
>https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo
>> 
>> 
>> Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:
>>> [I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in
>the
>>> Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
>>> liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.
>>>
>>> There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is
>mentioned
>>> in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago,
>Bolivia
>>> cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German
>company
>>> after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
>>> more complex, because the German won the initial contract because
>they
>>> were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather
>than
>>> simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
>>> knowledge can add more information. Felix ]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
>>> lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since
>he
>>> took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
>>> supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo
>Morales’s
>>> whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
>>> offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed
>to
>>> call for new elections, after the Organization of American States
>issued
>>> a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last
>month’s
>>> election results. According to the official results of last month’s
>>> election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a
>runoff
>>> election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
>>> sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global
>body
>>> did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.
>>>
>>> We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
>>> co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his
>latest
>>> piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is
>Undercutting
>>> Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
>>> resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president
>of
>>> Bolivia.
>>>
>>> MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about
>it
>>> now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
>>> president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really
>terrible
>>> the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had
>that
>>> OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
>>> implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong
>with
>>> the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
>>> didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
>>> next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report.
>And
>>> there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit
>that
>>> shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
>>> over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
>>> And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
>>> don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
>>> wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
>>> mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
>>> Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
>>> they’ve

Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[frank tigrero]

You may dump links from "global thinkers" til the end of time, smug in your bad 
faith arguments about "us vs them," and concern trolling about the minutiae of 
What Is Government(tm), but the actual *facts* are that the military is ousting 
an elected official, the "opposition" is using the military to torture mayors 
of towns, kill protesters and in more prosaic but equally revealing moments, 
cutting the indigenous flag portion out of the Bolivian flag.

Glad you're on the record as being in favor of a fascist government led by the 
military - although that makes you no more intelligent or compassionate than 
most Americans of the 20th and 21st century who believe whatever claptrap about 
central/south/latin America and their 'irregular democracies', and possess a 
profound ignorance of history to accompany it.

But sure, Morales built a museum! My gods, what a tyrant.



- Original message -
From: "jmp - j.martin.peder...@gmail.com" 

To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
Subject: Re:  Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:24 AM

On 12/11/2019 01:28, frank tigrero wrote:
> Are we really on some MAGA right wing listserv defending the coup? What the 
> hell has happened here

On the contrary. It appears we are on a black/white (non)thinking list.

Beyond left/right there are at least three more categories of political
agency relevant here:

1: A frustrated people suffering from betrayal, suppression, lack of
food and drink and acting outside of (the constraints of) specific party
political philosophies.
2: Indigenous people and peasants who are neither left nor right, but
not staying home tonight.
3: Anarchists.

It is worrying that the world - *and this list* - has come to this
simplicity of either/or and immediate outrage if a perceived party line
and simple good/bad, us/them dichotomies are not submitted to. In that
sense George Bush continues winning. Us or them.

Then, to be a little more to the actual point: If you lump Zibechi (who
has been reporting on the frontlines of social movements in Latin
America for decades) in with the far right, then you are simply a fool.
If you don't agree with his perspectives, then argue something, though
it is difficult to really argue with what he is reporting, because he is
actually mainly /reporting/ from the streets. If you want to find out
more, see also the work of Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui:
https://globalsocialtheory.org/thinkers/cusicanqui-silvia-rivera/ -

"Bolivian historian and social theorist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui is
author of the classic work Oppressed But Not Defeated: Peasant Struggles
Among the Aymara and Quechua in Bolivia, and has recently emerged as one
of the country’s foremost critics of President Evo Morales from an
indigenous perspective..":

from:
http://upsidedownworld.org/archives/bolivia/indigenous-anarchist-critique-of-bolivias-indigenous-state-interview-with-silvia-rivera-cusicanqui/

Taking a look at the world, assessing what is going on, is seemingly
beyond ordinary agency these days and everything must, it appears, be
instantly categorisable as good/bad; us/them. Don't think for yourselves
people, my mind is made up and I am right. Now go back to bed (and your
Twitter feed).

Make Socialism Great Again?

---

PS: A Bolivian friend just wrote:

"...As the sociologist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui suggested: Evo Morales
is the Right. He has built a Museum in his town of origin to honour and
celebrate his career. He thinks he has the right to stay there forever.
He is a dangerous megalomaniac. Sounds familiar? Who else in the world
would build a museum to celebrate his ego, who else would think that he
could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it? Does the name
of any ‘stable genius' come to mind?..."

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Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[tacira]

it is about lithium
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/bolivian-coup-comes-less-week-after-morales-stopped-multinational-firms-lithium-deal

it is about militias
https://epoca.globo.com/coluna-na-bolivia-protestos-banalizam-mal-com-corte-de-cabelo-forcado-de-prefeita-24070607
and neopentecostal performances (30 thousand books burned at the
presidential library, bible over flags)

it is about satire of resistance
https://www.lavaca.org/portada/bolivia-la-noche-de-los-cristales-rotos-por-maria-galindo/

a colinialidade viva e exposta

as eternas veias abertas da america latina


Em 2019-11-12 08:24, jmp escreveu:
> On 12/11/2019 01:28, frank tigrero wrote:
>> Are we really on some MAGA right wing listserv defending the coup? What the 
>> hell has happened here
> 
> On the contrary. It appears we are on a black/white (non)thinking list.
> 
> Beyond left/right there are at least three more categories of political
> agency relevant here:
> 
> 1: A frustrated people suffering from betrayal, suppression, lack of
> food and drink and acting outside of (the constraints of) specific party
> political philosophies.
> 2: Indigenous people and peasants who are neither left nor right, but
> not staying home tonight.
> 3: Anarchists.
> 
> It is worrying that the world - *and this list* - has come to this
> simplicity of either/or and immediate outrage if a perceived party line
> and simple good/bad, us/them dichotomies are not submitted to. In that
> sense George Bush continues winning. Us or them.
> 
> Then, to be a little more to the actual point: If you lump Zibechi (who
> has been reporting on the frontlines of social movements in Latin
> America for decades) in with the far right, then you are simply a fool.
> If you don't agree with his perspectives, then argue something, though
> it is difficult to really argue with what he is reporting, because he is
> actually mainly /reporting/ from the streets. If you want to find out
> more, see also the work of Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui:
> https://globalsocialtheory.org/thinkers/cusicanqui-silvia-rivera/ -
> 
> "Bolivian historian and social theorist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui is
> author of the classic work Oppressed But Not Defeated: Peasant Struggles
> Among the Aymara and Quechua in Bolivia, and has recently emerged as one
> of the country’s foremost critics of President Evo Morales from an
> indigenous perspective..":
> 
> from:
> http://upsidedownworld.org/archives/bolivia/indigenous-anarchist-critique-of-bolivias-indigenous-state-interview-with-silvia-rivera-cusicanqui/
> 
> Taking a look at the world, assessing what is going on, is seemingly
> beyond ordinary agency these days and everything must, it appears, be
> instantly categorisable as good/bad; us/them. Don't think for yourselves
> people, my mind is made up and I am right. Now go back to bed (and your
> Twitter feed).
> 
> Make Socialism Great Again?
> 
> ---
> 
> PS: A Bolivian friend just wrote:
> 
> "...As the sociologist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui suggested: Evo Morales
> is the Right. He has built a Museum in his town of origin to honour and
> celebrate his career. He thinks he has the right to stay there forever.
> He is a dangerous megalomaniac. Sounds familiar? Who else in the world
> would build a museum to celebrate his ego, who else would think that he
> could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it? Does the name
> of any ‘stable genius' come to mind?..."
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Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[jmp]

On 12/11/2019 01:28, frank tigrero wrote:
> Are we really on some MAGA right wing listserv defending the coup? What the 
> hell has happened here

On the contrary. It appears we are on a black/white (non)thinking list.

Beyond left/right there are at least three more categories of political
agency relevant here:

1: A frustrated people suffering from betrayal, suppression, lack of
food and drink and acting outside of (the constraints of) specific party
political philosophies.
2: Indigenous people and peasants who are neither left nor right, but
not staying home tonight.
3: Anarchists.

It is worrying that the world - *and this list* - has come to this
simplicity of either/or and immediate outrage if a perceived party line
and simple good/bad, us/them dichotomies are not submitted to. In that
sense George Bush continues winning. Us or them.

Then, to be a little more to the actual point: If you lump Zibechi (who
has been reporting on the frontlines of social movements in Latin
America for decades) in with the far right, then you are simply a fool.
If you don't agree with his perspectives, then argue something, though
it is difficult to really argue with what he is reporting, because he is
actually mainly /reporting/ from the streets. If you want to find out
more, see also the work of Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui:
https://globalsocialtheory.org/thinkers/cusicanqui-silvia-rivera/ -

"Bolivian historian and social theorist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui is
author of the classic work Oppressed But Not Defeated: Peasant Struggles
Among the Aymara and Quechua in Bolivia, and has recently emerged as one
of the country’s foremost critics of President Evo Morales from an
indigenous perspective..":

from:
http://upsidedownworld.org/archives/bolivia/indigenous-anarchist-critique-of-bolivias-indigenous-state-interview-with-silvia-rivera-cusicanqui/

Taking a look at the world, assessing what is going on, is seemingly
beyond ordinary agency these days and everything must, it appears, be
instantly categorisable as good/bad; us/them. Don't think for yourselves
people, my mind is made up and I am right. Now go back to bed (and your
Twitter feed).

Make Socialism Great Again?

---

PS: A Bolivian friend just wrote:

"...As the sociologist Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui suggested: Evo Morales
is the Right. He has built a Museum in his town of origin to honour and
celebrate his career. He thinks he has the right to stay there forever.
He is a dangerous megalomaniac. Sounds familiar? Who else in the world
would build a museum to celebrate his ego, who else would think that he
could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it? Does the name
of any ‘stable genius' come to mind?..."

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Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

[frank tigrero]

Are we really on some MAGA right wing listserv defending the coup? What the 
hell has happened here

- Original message -
From: "jmp - j.martin.peder...@gmail.com" 

To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
Subject: Re:  Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 7:19 PM

On 11/11/2019 23:33, martha rosler wrote:
> is this where nettime is heading? Toward straight rightwing talking points?
>  Sheesh!
>  Makes Morlock seem rational, or at least original.

It is probably a little more complex than left/right, although it is so
conveniently nice and easy to reduce disagreements to that.

The link
[https://towardfreedom.org/front-page-feature/bolivia-the-extreme-right-takes-advantage-of-a-popular-uprising/]
provided by Hanns Holger Rutz is informative:

"...What caused the fall of the government of Evo Morales in Bolivia is
an uprising by the people of Bolivia and their organizations. Their
movements demanded his resignation before the army and police did. The
Organization of American States sustained the government until the
bitter end

...The context for what is taking place in Bolivia didn’t start with
electoral fraud, rather it began with systematic attacks by the
government of Evo Morales and Álvaro García Linera against the same
popular movements that brought them to power, to the point that when
they needed the movements to defend them, the movements were deactivated
and demoralized...

...The social mobilization and the refusal of movements to defend what
in another moment they considered to be “their” government was what
precipitated Morales’ resignation. That is made clear by the
declarations by the Workers’ Central of Bolivia (COB), the teachers and
authorities of the Public University of El Alto (UPEA), and dozens of
other organizations, including Mujeres Creando, which has been perhaps
the clearest of all. The Latin American left appears unable to accept
that a considerable segment of popular movements demanded the
resignation of the government, because they can’t see beyond the leaders
(los caudillos)..."

It is written by Raul Zibechi, who is well respected by many lefty-like
researchers and
activists *who actually know what is going on in Latin America*:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Zibechi

https://towardfreedom.org/author/raul-zibechi/

On a personal note: I happened to be in Bolivia the week after Morales
went into office. There were protests. He was always unpopular with many
indigenous and peasants,

Same as Correa [Ecuador]. A Sarayaku activist friend said during
Correa's election campaign: "It will be great for the middle classes, a
disaster for us."

And it was.

Correa was praised and touted by Euro-American 'socialists' as some sort
of beacon... In reality he was a cunning liar and ruthlessly used the
military to destroy indigenous questioning of his developmentalism.

Back in those days I'd receive outraged mails from "lefties" calling me
a traitor when reporting...

Here a txt msg from a Bolivian friend just came:

"..Morales hords are terrorising la paz, burning houses, buses,
persecuting innocent people, etc..."

.. and so on

If you want to make this a left/right issue, you will always end up on
the right, but the wrong side.. The people of Bolivia are rising up
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Re: Evo Morales: people of Bolivia are rising up

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On 11/11/2019 23:33, martha rosler wrote:
> is this where nettime is heading? Toward straight rightwing talking points?
>  Sheesh!
>  Makes Morlock seem rational, or at least original.

It is probably a little more complex than left/right, although it is so
conveniently nice and easy to reduce disagreements to that.

The link
[https://towardfreedom.org/front-page-feature/bolivia-the-extreme-right-takes-advantage-of-a-popular-uprising/]
provided by Hanns Holger Rutz is informative:

"...What caused the fall of the government of Evo Morales in Bolivia is
an uprising by the people of Bolivia and their organizations. Their
movements demanded his resignation before the army and police did. The
Organization of American States sustained the government until the
bitter end

...The context for what is taking place in Bolivia didn’t start with
electoral fraud, rather it began with systematic attacks by the
government of Evo Morales and Álvaro García Linera against the same
popular movements that brought them to power, to the point that when
they needed the movements to defend them, the movements were deactivated
and demoralized...

...The social mobilization and the refusal of movements to defend what
in another moment they considered to be “their” government was what
precipitated Morales’ resignation. That is made clear by the
declarations by the Workers’ Central of Bolivia (COB), the teachers and
authorities of the Public University of El Alto (UPEA), and dozens of
other organizations, including Mujeres Creando, which has been perhaps
the clearest of all. The Latin American left appears unable to accept
that a considerable segment of popular movements demanded the
resignation of the government, because they can’t see beyond the leaders
(los caudillos)..."

It is written by Raul Zibechi, who is well respected by many lefty-like
researchers and
activists *who actually know what is going on in Latin America*:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Zibechi

https://towardfreedom.org/author/raul-zibechi/

On a personal note: I happened to be in Bolivia the week after Morales
went into office. There were protests. He was always unpopular with many
indigenous and peasants,

Same as Correa [Ecuador]. A Sarayaku activist friend said during
Correa's election campaign: "It will be great for the middle classes, a
disaster for us."

And it was.

Correa was praised and touted by Euro-American 'socialists' as some sort
of beacon... In reality he was a cunning liar and ruthlessly used the
military to destroy indigenous questioning of his developmentalism.

Back in those days I'd receive outraged mails from "lefties" calling me
a traitor when reporting...

Here a txt msg from a Bolivian friend just came:

"..Morales hords are terrorising la paz, burning houses, buses,
persecuting innocent people, etc..."

.. and so on

If you want to make this a left/right issue, you will always end up on
the right, but the wrong side.. The people of Bolivia are rising up
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Re: Evo Morales

[Hanns Holger Rutz]

can I please be unsubscribed, the mailman interface doesn't seem to
react. I will redirect all new incoming messages to my trash bin, as I
don't want to be involved with this disgusting stuff. I have enough
family and friends who are affected by this that I don't need to see
this disinformation on a mailing list on net art and culture.

here is some read for those who are not falling for idiotic gringos like
democracynow:

https://desinformemonos.org/bolivia-un-levantamiento-popular-aprovechado-por-la-ultraderecha/

https://towardfreedom.org/front-page-feature/bolivia-the-extreme-right-takes-advantage-of-a-popular-uprising/

adios


On 12/11/2019 00:33, martha rosler wrote:
> is this where nettime is heading? Toward straight rightwing talking points?
>  Sheesh!
>  Makes Morlock seem rational, or at least original.
> 
> martha  r
>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz > > wrote:
>>
>> the ones who are living in Venezuela without food, medicaments and
>> electricity, the ones that get robbed on a daily basis, the ones that
>> are imprisoned, tortured, disappeared and killed for speaking up, or the
>> ones that have taken refugee in other countries and are now facing
>> increasing racism in their new host countries.
>>
>> the advantage of the people in Bolivia was that the military hadn't been
>> taken over by Cuba, and so it was still independent enough to force
>> Morales out when he refused to uphold basic democratic principles.
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 00:06, Menno Grootveld wrote:
>>> Which thirty million others are you talking about?
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is this where nettime is heading? Toward straight rightwing talking points?
 Sheesh!
 Makes Morlock seem rational, or at least original.

martha  r
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Hanns Holger Rutz  wrote:
> 
> the ones who are living in Venezuela without food, medicaments and
> electricity, the ones that get robbed on a daily basis, the ones that
> are imprisoned, tortured, disappeared and killed for speaking up, or the
> ones that have taken refugee in other countries and are now facing
> increasing racism in their new host countries.
> 
> the advantage of the people in Bolivia was that the military hadn't been
> taken over by Cuba, and so it was still independent enough to force
> Morales out when he refused to uphold basic democratic principles.
> 
> 
> On 12/11/2019 00:06, Menno Grootveld wrote:
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Re: Evo Morales

[Menno Grootveld]

Which basic democratic principles would that be? He offered to hold new 
elections after he won the (contested) last one.


Op 12-11-19 om 00:26 schreef Hanns Holger Rutz:

the ones who are living in Venezuela without food, medicaments and
electricity, the ones that get robbed on a daily basis, the ones that
are imprisoned, tortured, disappeared and killed for speaking up, or the
ones that have taken refugee in other countries and are now facing
increasing racism in their new host countries.

the advantage of the people in Bolivia was that the military hadn't been
taken over by Cuba, and so it was still independent enough to force
Morales out when he refused to uphold basic democratic principles.


On 12/11/2019 00:06, Menno Grootveld wrote:

Which thirty million others are you talking about?

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[Hanns Holger Rutz]

the ones who are living in Venezuela without food, medicaments and
electricity, the ones that get robbed on a daily basis, the ones that
are imprisoned, tortured, disappeared and killed for speaking up, or the
ones that have taken refugee in other countries and are now facing
increasing racism in their new host countries.

the advantage of the people in Bolivia was that the military hadn't been
taken over by Cuba, and so it was still independent enough to force
Morales out when he refused to uphold basic democratic principles.


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Re: Evo Morales

[Menno Grootveld]

Excuse me? Could you be a little bit more informative? Which thirty 
million others are you talking about? Are these by any chance the 
hardcore racist supporters of Trump and Bolsonaro?


Op 12-11-19 om 00:00 schreef Hanns Holger Rutz:

Maduro come next, to end the repressive regime in Venezuela. No tear for
Morales from me and thirty million others. Have fun in your European
armchair+cocktail "socialism".


On 11/11/2019 23:49, Menno Grootveld wrote:

Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt
disinformation.

You better read this:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo


Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:

[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.

There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago, Bolivia
cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German company
after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
more complex, because the German won the initial contract because they
were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather than
simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
knowledge can add more information. Felix ]



https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup




Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since he
took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo Morales’s
whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed to
call for new elections, after the Organization of American States issued
a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last month’s
election results. According to the official results of last month’s
election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a runoff
election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global body
did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.

We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his latest
piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is Undercutting
Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of
Bolivia.

MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about it
now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really terrible
the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had that
OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong with
the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report. And
there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit that
shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
they’ve wanted for some time to get rid of this government.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
to avoid a runoff.

MARK WEISBROT: OK. So, this is very important, because this has been
very badly described, I think, in most of the media. You have a quick
count, which is not even the official count of the election, and it’s
not binding. It’s not what determines the result. It’s just something
that is done while the votes are being counted to let people know what’s
going on at that time. And so, the quick count was interrupted, and when
it resumed — and it was interrupted with Evo leading by about 7
percentage points. And when it came back, his margin increased. And if
you read the press here, any of the articles, it’s reported as though
something terribly suspicious happened. He didn’t have enough votes — he
needed a 10-point margin in order to — a 10-point lead over the next
runner-up in or

Re: Evo Morales

[Hanns Holger Rutz]

Maduro come next, to end the repressive regime in Venezuela. No tear for
Morales from me and thirty million others. Have fun in your European
armchair+cocktail "socialism".


On 11/11/2019 23:49, Menno Grootveld wrote:
> Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt
> disinformation.
> 
> You better read this:
> 
> https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo
> 
> 
> Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:
>> [I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
>> Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
>> liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.
>>
>> There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
>> in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago, Bolivia
>> cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German company
>> after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
>> more complex, because the German won the initial contract because they
>> were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather than
>> simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
>> knowledge can add more information. Felix ]
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
>> lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since he
>> took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
>> supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo Morales’s
>> whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
>> offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed to
>> call for new elections, after the Organization of American States issued
>> a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last month’s
>> election results. According to the official results of last month’s
>> election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a runoff
>> election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
>> sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global body
>> did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.
>>
>> We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
>> co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his latest
>> piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is Undercutting
>> Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
>> resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of
>> Bolivia.
>>
>> MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about it
>> now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
>> president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really terrible
>> the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had that
>> OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
>> implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong with
>> the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
>> didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
>> next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report. And
>> there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit that
>> shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
>> over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
>> And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
>> don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
>> wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
>> mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
>> Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
>> they’ve wanted for some time to get rid of this government.
>>
>> AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
>> election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
>> to avoid a runoff.
>>
>> MARK WEISBROT: OK. So, this is very important, because this has been
>> very badly described, I think, in most of the media. You have a quick
>> count, which is not even the official count of the election, and it’s
>> not binding. It’s not what determines the result. It’s just something
>> that is done while the votes are being counted to let people know what’s
>> going 

Re: Evo Morales

[Menno Grootveld]

Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt 
disinformation.


You better read this:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo

Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:

[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.

There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago, Bolivia
cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German company
after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
more complex, because the German won the initial contract because they
were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather than
simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
knowledge can add more information. Felix ]



https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup



Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since he
took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo Morales’s
whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed to
call for new elections, after the Organization of American States issued
a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last month’s
election results. According to the official results of last month’s
election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a runoff
election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global body
did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.

We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his latest
piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is Undercutting
Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of
Bolivia.

MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about it
now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really terrible
the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had that
OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong with
the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report. And
there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit that
shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
they’ve wanted for some time to get rid of this government.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
to avoid a runoff.

MARK WEISBROT: OK. So, this is very important, because this has been
very badly described, I think, in most of the media. You have a quick
count, which is not even the official count of the election, and it’s
not binding. It’s not what determines the result. It’s just something
that is done while the votes are being counted to let people know what’s
going on at that time. And so, the quick count was interrupted, and when
it resumed — and it was interrupted with Evo leading by about 7
percentage points. And when it came back, his margin increased. And if
you read the press here, any of the articles, it’s reported as though
something terribly suspicious happened. He didn’t have enough votes — he
needed a 10-point margin in order to — a 10-point lead over the next
runner-up in order to win in the first round, and he didn’t have that
when the vote count, this quick count, was interrupted — or, the
reporting was interrupted, I should say. And then, you know, he got it
in the last 14 — last 16% of the votes counted. He reached 10%. But if
you look at what was really — so, this was reported as a very suspicious
thing. And this is what’s reported over and over again to make it look
like something was wrong.

But if you look at it, actually

Evo Morales

[Felix Stalder]

[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.

There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago, Bolivia
cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German company
after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
more complex, because the German won the initial contract because they
were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather than
simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
knowledge can add more information. Felix ]



https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup



Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since he
took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo Morales’s
whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed to
call for new elections, after the Organization of American States issued
a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last month’s
election results. According to the official results of last month’s
election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a runoff
election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global body
did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.

We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his latest
piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is Undercutting
Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of
Bolivia.

MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about it
now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really terrible
the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had that
OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong with
the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report. And
there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit that
shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
they’ve wanted for some time to get rid of this government.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
to avoid a runoff.

MARK WEISBROT: OK. So, this is very important, because this has been
very badly described, I think, in most of the media. You have a quick
count, which is not even the official count of the election, and it’s
not binding. It’s not what determines the result. It’s just something
that is done while the votes are being counted to let people know what’s
going on at that time. And so, the quick count was interrupted, and when
it resumed — and it was interrupted with Evo leading by about 7
percentage points. And when it came back, his margin increased. And if
you read the press here, any of the articles, it’s reported as though
something terribly suspicious happened. He didn’t have enough votes — he
needed a 10-point margin in order to — a 10-point lead over the next
runner-up in order to win in the first round, and he didn’t have that
when the vote count, this quick count, was interrupted — or, the
reporting was interrupted, I should say. And then, you know, he got it
in the last 14 — last 16% of the votes counted. He reached 10%. But if
you look at what was really — so, this was reported as a very suspicious
thing. And this is what’s reported over and over again to make it look
like something was wrong.

But if you look at it, actually — actually, the whole vote count — you
see there was a steady trend of Evo’s margin increasing almost from the
beginning. And it didn’t change in the last 16%; it just continued
because — and you can look at the areas that were coming in — these were
rural and poor areas where Evo