Re: it is the end of history

2018-12-30 Thread Magnus Boman
I admire in particular the constructive attitude of including metadata like:
>Copyright 2001 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means,
is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

For matching quality and attitude, you can still crawl Usenet for free,
even if commercial third party services pretend it's been commoditized. I
re-read great posts of people I miss AFK sometimes, it works well as an
Ariadne thread for me.
M.


On Sun, 30 Dec 2018, 07:05 Morlock Elloi,  wrote:

> While looking for something else, I found unrelated interesting stuff
> (as it usually happens):
>
> https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0109/maillist.html
>
> This is nettime archive from September 2001, and the good stuff is not
> just after September 12 (nettime was not particularly impressed by the
> NYC demolition job.) The number of interesting postings is incredible
> (and I wasn't even trolling nettime then.)
>
> [ Regarding 11092001+ postings, I liked profound predictions - some
> totally wrong, some on the spot. We should remember who did which:
> "What I am worried about is massive surveillance of all aspects of
> life: of our phone calls, of our email, and of our physical movements." ]
>
> Things were happening. Things are not happening. It's not just that they
> migrated out of nettime, they stopped happening. We collectively did
> something stupid.
>
> I'm tempted to analyze nettime archives and plot the decay of the public
> comment. When did it start? Did it level off? Is it getting worse? It's
> funny that the ultimate utility of nettime is documenting the demise of
> the comment.
>
> I am not aware of any other medium that provides such good insights into
> real-time history of commentariat from 17 years ago. If anyone knows
> about other similar publicly accessible archives, please let me know.
>
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it is the end of history

2018-12-29 Thread Morlock Elloi
While looking for something else, I found unrelated interesting stuff 
(as it usually happens):


https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0109/maillist.html

This is nettime archive from September 2001, and the good stuff is not 
just after September 12 (nettime was not particularly impressed by the 
NYC demolition job.) The number of interesting postings is incredible 
(and I wasn't even trolling nettime then.)


[ Regarding 11092001+ postings, I liked profound predictions - some 
totally wrong, some on the spot. We should remember who did which:

"What I am worried about is massive surveillance of all aspects of
life: of our phone calls, of our email, and of our physical movements." ]

Things were happening. Things are not happening. It's not just that they 
migrated out of nettime, they stopped happening. We collectively did 
something stupid.


I'm tempted to analyze nettime archives and plot the decay of the public 
comment. When did it start? Did it level off? Is it getting worse? It's 
funny that the ultimate utility of nettime is documenting the demise of 
the comment.


I am not aware of any other medium that provides such good insights into 
real-time history of commentariat from 17 years ago. If anyone knows 
about other similar publicly accessible archives, please let me know.


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