Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
Dear John Hopkins, Concerning Armin?s remark on Darko Fritz?s research on the New Tendencies: Darko Fritz was a (Co-)Curator of the exhibitions in Graz (2007) and Karlsruhe (2011): /Weibel, Peter (ed.): bit international. [Nove] tendencije. Computer und visuelle Forschung. Zagreb 1961-1973. Neue Galerie Graz am Landesmuseum Joanneum. Graz 2007. Rosen, Margit/ (ed.): A Little-Known Story about a Movement, a Magazine, and the Computer?s Arrival in Art. New Tendencies and Bit International, 1961-1973. Cat. of exhib. Zentrum f?r Kunst und Medientechnologie Karlsruhe (ZKM)/Center for Arts and Media. Karlsruhe 2008 and Cambridge/Massachusetts 2011. Darko Fritz (darkofritz.net) wrote: On Valdimir Bonacic: The Work of Vladimir Bonacic. A Temporary Realization of the New Tendencies Program. In: Rosen, Margit (ed.): A Little-Known Story about a Movement, a Magazine, and the Computer?s Arrival in Art. New Tendencies and Bit International, 1961-1973. Cat. of exhib. ZKM/Center for Arts and Media. Karlsruhe 2008 and Cambridge/Massachusetts 2011, p.49-56. On Media Art in Croatia: A Brief Overview of Media Art in Croatia (since 1960s). http://www.culturenet.hr/default.aspx?id=23391pregled=1datum=18.12.2008%209:43:18 In: culturenet.hr. web protal to croatian culture. panorama: media art 2003. On computer-generated Art in the Netherlands: Mapping the Beginnings of Computer-generated Art in the Netherlands http://darkofritz.net/text/DARKO_FRITZ_NL_COMP_ART_n.pdf. First Findings. Fonds BKVB. Amsterdam 2011. I hope The History of Computer Art will be useful introduction for students and scholars. Yours, Thomas -- Dr. phil. Thomas Dreher Schwanthalerstrasse 158 D-80339 Muenchen B.R.D. Tel.: 0049/89/5029513 0049/89/23033-214 Mobil: 01522/8775256 URL: http://dreher.netzliteratur.net # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
On 12/Dec/13 00:05, Armin Medosch wrote: Hallo Armin! my reply was in no way meant to be a critique of the whole project as John Hopkins wrongly insinuated. It is just a critique of the title which projects a Nah, it was a more general reaction on my part, there were a bunch of folks who started to drill down looking for weaknesses in it... This should be a part of the discourse, but seems lop-sided, without much positive spin. I totally hear your original suggestions -- accuracy in linguistically framing a reductive re-framing of 'reality' is a good thing. And there are more obvious 'mistakes' and less obvious ones. And accuracy, surely is subjective. I was just remarking on a general nettime response which seems to be (imho) more times skewed to critique or to yawning silence than to praise or support. Seldom praise for folk's efforts. Maybe that occurs back-channel, I don't know. I haven't done a statistical analysis of this situation, so, yes, it's a feeling, I admit. As a learning facilitator, I recall when I first moved to Reykjavik where I established a photo/electronic media program at the Icelandic Academy (B.W. 'Before the Web'). I was quite troubled that there were no written or visual resources for teaching History of Photography, for example, aside from what I bought with me. (Yes, perhaps books in private hands, but only a couple Icelanders had gone abroad to study contemporary 'art' photography at that point). Even my teaching technically was illegal as I was not a member of the Icelandic Photographers Union -- a trade union! This dearth of material in many ways was liberating -- no need to 'fight' the canon of history when no one knew anything about it! But, of course, going back to basics of evolutionary development (paraphrasing Santayana): Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Having some texts (almost regardless of their content, in my case in Iceland) was better than none. They became the starting point in a discussion, *not* the ending point as a definitive statement of the nature of a former reality. I guess I've always been happy to see texts such as Dr. Dreher's being generated as they (possibly) enrich a learning situation. Happy to the point of being blinded to the negative potential of having reality mis-characterized. But wait that always happens with any reductive re-presentation! I am hyper-conscious of making that point a constant learning moment, as I find it seems largely forgotten in the education system here in the US. The Bush Regime did a good job of removing 'critical thinking' from K-12 curricula, and thus, half-a-generation later, that lack is seeping, flooding into the universities. It's true, the discussion occurring in nettime signifies what is always necessary, maybe it was the overall tone that I was objecting to. BTW, what is that ZKM document sourcebook you spoke of (did Darko author it?) -- do you have a bibliographic entry for that? Thanks, JH -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD THE KICKSTARTER CAMPAIGN: 10 NOVEMBER - 12 DECEMBER 2013 http://tinyurl.com/neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
On 10/12/13 02:39 PM, Ian Milliss wrote: Have to agree completely, it gets very boring seeing histories that are only about the US and Europe or so called global histories/exhibitions that cover only the US, Europe and a few token Chinese artists. http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2013/12/thomas-drehers-history-of-computer-art/ It amuses me to see people complain that his history is “too German.” That’s exactly what’s great about it. I’m staggered by the meticulous attention to detail in Dreher’s compendium. I’m quite the fan of media history, but really, ten of me couldn’t write a book like this. +1 # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
Have to agree completely, it gets very boring seeing histories that are only about the US and Europe or so called global histories/exhibitions that cover only the US, Europe and a few token Chinese artists. In 2011 an excellent book Synthetics was released written by Stephen Jones and published by MIT Press on the history of computer and electronic art in Australia from 1956-1975. https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/synthetics THis is yet more proof of the falsity, or at least inadequacy, of the current approach. Ian Milliss On 09/12/13 20:39, ar...@easynet.co.uk wrote: While on one hand this is a laudable effort to write such a history and put everything online, on the other hand this should really be called A Western European and US history of Computer Art ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
The fifth chapter of The History of Computer Art is now online in the English translation. The missing chapters VI to VIII will follow. Chapter V.1 and V.2 on reactive installations (responsive environments, virtual reality, CAVE): URL:http://iasl.uni-muenchen.de/links/GCA-V.1e.html URL:http://iasl.uni-muenchen.de/links/GCA-V.2e.html -- Dr. phil. Thomas Dreher Schwanthalerstrasse 158 D-80339 Muenchen B.R.D. URL: http://dreher.netzliteratur.net # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
While on one hand this is a laudable effort to write such a history and put everything online, on the other hand this should really be called A Western European and US history of Computer Art The first international group show of computer art was held in Brno at the House of Art in 1968. At the same time as Cybernetic Serendipity was opened in London, a computer art information exhibition and symposium was held in Zagreb as part of the New Tendencies in August 1968, followed by a really big show and symposium on The Computer as a medium of visual research in May 1969, also in Zagreb. A very original contribution to computer art and telecommunications art has been made in Brazil by Valdenmar Cordeiro in the early 1970s, not to forget, of course, Hiroshi Kawano in Japan who started to work in the early 1960s And these are just some landmark moments which quickly come to mind. While 10 years ago it may have been easy to overlook those developments, those things have become quite well documented through the work of Darko Fritz, two large exhibitions in Graz and Karlsruhe curated by him, and a document sourcebook published by ZKM/MITP, as well as through my PhD dissertation Automation, Cybernation and the Art of New Tendencies yours Armin # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
