Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
On 08/03/12 16:13, miltosmane...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely agree. .art is simply ridiculous, who wants to be called .art? Various of my bots, and several projects I have in mind to critique the prevalent informal institutional theory. :-) - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
On the other hand it could be a good way to dicuss what is non.art etc. The internet is a game, H. Am 09.03.2012 21:52, schrieb Rob Myers: On 08/03/12 16:13, miltosmane...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely agree. .art is simply ridiculous, who wants to be called .art? Various of my bots, and several projects I have in mind to critique the prevalent informal institutional theory. :-) - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
Also, I demand a .marx domain. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
r...@robmyers.org (Sat 03/10/12 at 06:25 PM +): Also, I demand a .marx domain. The question's moot now because NTIA just announced that it was canceling the RFP for IANA: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunitymode=formtab=coreid=e90ec616702fd6c52c91c0e67ccbf501_cview=0 In plainspeak, that means the US government was unhappy enough with ICANN to deny it the power to enter new gTLDs into the root. This will undermine ICANN's legitimacy, maybe terminally. Once the IANA function is unbundled from ICANN, what's left? An expensive, contoversial, and incompetent pseudo- regulatory Californian legal entity masquerading as wannabe multilateral organization. For dyed-in-the-wool ICANN haters such as myself, this is good news. ICANN was, as they say, an epic fail. However, I think this is also very bad news because it comes at a time when many ostensibly 'liberal' states have made it clear they think it's time to rein in the net. I wouldn't say that ICANN was an effective agent in staving off those forces; but its existence was a token of a slightly more genteel balance. Those days are over. It'll be very interesting to see what fig leaf the USG adopts in its domination of DNS through IANA. Oh, and Andreas's analysis was superb. I don't know the specifics of the .berlin proposal, but the dynamics and issues are pretty generic. With all due respect to Desiree's suggestion, DNS is a hierarchical power structure. You can dress it up however you like, but *any* entity that took control of the gTLD .art would be forced, in effect, to propose a more or less explicit definition of art. I don't have any problem with that -- people do it all the time. The problem comes when you tie it to a structure that propagates that definition globally. Cheers, T # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
While not disagreeing with Ted's overall pessimism as to the likely outcome of this particular development it is well to note that the announcement indicated that the decision was being made on behalf of the global internet community. Further, a key stated justification for the decision was NTIA's demand that the IANA contractor - ICANN - must document that all new gTLD delegations are in the global public interest. While as Ted suggests the NTIA (and the USG) are most certainly arrogating to themselves (and to the governments of Russia, China, uncle Tom Cobley and all) the right to define what is meant by and how to operationalize the global public interest in this sphere, as we have just seen through the backdown of the USG in the face of a truly massive (and unexpected onslaught) concerning SOPA/PIPA there are folks out there--who with their clout, numbers and smarts may be in a position to successfully take and define an alternative position. These are interesting times in Internet land. M -Original Message- From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org [mailto:nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org] On Behalf Of t byfield Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:48 PM To: nettim...@kein.org Subject: Re: nettime What do you think about .art? r...@robmyers.org (Sat 03/10/12 at 06:25 PM +): Also, I demand a .marx domain. The question's moot now because NTIA just announced that it was canceling the RFP for IANA: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunitymode=formtab=coreid=e90ec616702fd6 c52c91c0e67ccbf501_cview=0 In plainspeak, that means the US government was unhappy enough with ICANN to deny it the power to enter new gTLDs into the root. This will undermine ICANN's legitimacy, maybe terminally. Once the IANA function is unbundled from ICANN, what's left? An expensive, contoversial, and incompetent pseudo- regulatory Californian legal entity masquerading as wannabe multilateral organization. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
Art traditionally ends up in the wrong hands, there is no inherent problem with this. Thinking ahead, it will be so much more amusing if Dow or Mattel snatch .art (barbie.art is worth $200K by itself), than some 'body' composed of pompous internationally-recognized benevolent and independent selfless art experts (which would be only pathetic.) There might be many applicants and I would hate to see .art go into the wrong hands (the ones with deepest pockets that would win it in the auction phase). # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
IMHO one should never call oneself an artist, .art is .kitsch Only onthers may call one an artist. Well, it could be a space of art-dealers (behind bars!), but that would give it some drive into .art and not.art, which could ne the most important domainname, that I claim here and now as a creativ work, may other reserve themselves the retro net.art. Art is a no.word, let others like it, dont support it in any case, H. Am 07.03.2012 19:19, schrieb Desiree Miloshevic: Armin - thanks for helping out here and explaining I was going with my email. Ted, it's been a while, but I hope you still have time to follow ICANN let us know what you think of the latest ICANN gTLD process. As I've been working on .art for some time - am interested to see if we could mobilize artists to pledge: a) written support b) crowd source donations for the application fee (185,000 USD), c) between 10-100 USD per person or any close number to that. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
I don't think the domain name system is the place to be fighting for the small, independent artist. Leave it to go to the enormous corporations, and create stuff whereever; in the cracks, the unseen places, darknets etc, as well as wherever in the public. Names are as valuable as what they represent. I don't think a co-operative controlling and charging for particular domain names is a very good system of artist funding. pgpIAG5IOjJ8n.pgp Description: PGP signature # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
If Desiree's idea takes shape, and if a bid is successful, there is scope for a successful registry with a balanced model :) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Morlock Elloi morlockel...@yahoo.comwrote: Art traditionally ends up in the wrong hands, there is no inherent problem with this. Thinking ahead, it will be so much more amusing if Dow or Mattel snatch .art (barbie.art is worth $200K by itself), than some 'body' composed of pompous internationally-recognized benevolent and independent selfless art experts (which would be only pathetic.) There might be many applicants and I would hate to see .art go into the wrong hands (the ones with deepest pockets that would win it in the auction phase). # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
I absolutely agree. .art is simply ridiculous, who wants to be called .art? Only those who are trying hard, or amateurs without real passion. From the other side, .art is a perfect package for a meta-conceptual artist to acquire and do yet another one of those pseudo-dada art operations. In either case, its totally uninterested and better to be left to the regular market. Ps: I also believe that the classic- and realistic- domainname extension for art, is simply .Com Miltos Manetas Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone -Original Message- From: Heiko Recktenwald heikorecktenw...@googlemail.com Sender: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:33:28 To: nettime's_roving_reporternettim...@kein.org Subject: Re: nettime What do you think about .art? IMHO one should never call oneself an artist, .art is .kitsch ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
Hi, I happened to meet Desiree last night and therefore think that her mail does not explain the issue as well as she did in our conversation. Our old 'friend' ICANN (Ted, we miss your comments on that;-) is releasing new generic Top Level Domains. It is posible that some business interests would grab .art to make a lot of money from already suffering artists. So Desiree was wondering if it was possible to launch a last minute bid to mobilise people really interested in and involved in art. Maybe the necessary application fee could be crowdsourced and maybe an art friendly internet business could be found to manage the gTLD. Desiree's business model is, if I have understood that right, once the domain starts generating profits to channel that back to artists in need. Good idea. Of course for some on this list this will trigger memories of namespace etc. cheers Armin On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 23:59 +, Desiree Miloshevic wrote: Hi There is a limited opportunity to apply for dotART domain name by April 12. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
Hello Armin, Desiree's concerns are valid, and it is a good proposition. Sivasubramanian M On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Armin Medosch ar...@easynet.co.uk wrote: Hi, I happened to meet Desiree last night and therefore think that her mail does not explain the issue as well as she did in our conversation. Our old 'friend' ICANN (Ted, we miss your comments on that;-) is releasing new generic Top Level Domains. It is posible that some business interests would grab .art to make a lot of money from already suffering artists. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime What do you think about .art?
Hi There is a limited opportunity to apply for dotART domain name by April 12. Is there any inking of support ? Or do people think that no artist would like to have a .art domain? dotArt(s), in plural though, has been proposed once in 1997 before ICANN was set up the process for adding TLDs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAHC#Proposed_TLDs). The entity applying for it should have at least 185,000 USD for the application fee and some money raised for operating the registry for 3-5 years. There might be many applicants and I would hate to see .art go into the wrong hands (the ones with deepest pockets that would win it in the auction phase). Is anyone here interested in making a pledge for the cause? A little bit about myself: http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Desiree_Miloshevic Tx Des -- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
