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From: John Hopkins jhopk...@neoscenes.net
Reply-To: jhopk...@neoscenes.net
Subject: Re: nettime living systems theory
Organization: neoscenes
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:20:03 -0700
To: list nettime nettim...@kein.org
On 1/22/13 07:18, chris mann wrote:
please, once again, computers process data. not information. they have no
idea about what theyre doing or why, so it can only be data. computers have
no motivation, no conspiracy, no horizon. therefore no possibility of
dealing with information.
As an organized and indivisible expression of a wholistic and continuous
living system (ours!), through their operation, or even merely their
maintained presence, they are increasing local entropy, and in that sense
they are carrying information into the future as long as they are more
organized than their surroundings. We are not separate from the wider system
that we are immersed within. If we were, why worry about systemic
degradations of the ecosystem...? Why worry about consuming energy?
JH
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From: John Hopkins jhopk...@neoscenes.net
Reply-To: jhopk...@neoscenes.net
Subject: Re: nettime living systems theory
Organization: neoscenes
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:30:46 -0700
To: list nettime nettim...@kein.org
On 1/22/13 07:38, chris mann wrote:
if you make no distinction between information and data, no further
distinctions are possible
Hi Chris ~
Given that I actually did not conflate the two, can you expand on this?
A machine (digital or otherwise) is not a closed system, it is an open
system, and so that its very structure, provenance, existence, persistence
carries information (as order). Maybe you are confusing the abstracted
protocols that form the energy that pass through the machine for the
materialized *thing* itself (which recursively is 'merely' an expression of
other protocols and their actualized potential for directing energies in a
specific way).
JH
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Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD
Watching the Tao rather than watching the Dow!
http://neoscenes.net/
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/
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