[newbie] (long)New machine, new home net, new headache...
Howdy list mates; I'm positive this has been covered in agonizing detail multiple times but there are a few issues that I need refreshed so I'll post the questions again. I hope nobody minds. My downstairs neighbor bought a new tower (replaced a Celeron 366) based on: ECS K7SEM (yeah I know but he doesn't listen and has a WAY limited budget.) Duron 850, running standard clock on o/c bus, running at 896 MHz no trouble, no overheating. http://www.ecsusa.com/products/k7sem_v3.html (for board specs) 30 GB Maxtor I don't have the partition table in front of me, sorry, but; XP Pro (NTFS first 6 GB), Mandrake 9.0 (/boot ext2, and / as ext3, usual suspects on XFS, 12.+ GB), FAT 32 shared as /winshare (11.+ GB). Both OSes seem content with that. 384 MB PC 133 SDRAM connection: ADSL (using DHCP) access He's a Windows kinda guy unfortunately; but when I helped him set up his new machine I helped him decide to give Mandrake 9.0 a try as a dual boot with his Windows 98 SE. That was fun. :-( First partitioned the drive for the different OSes (used disk drake from 'Drake 9.0 installer and made partitions for Windows/sharing FAT32, installed 9.0) since he actually got an early present of XP Pro and decided to triple boot. He's been running 98 SE (comfort zone) and wanted to use that, 'learn' XP, plus learn Mandrake 9.0. 98 SE is now dead, doesn't exist, it's _gone._ I got sick of arguing with it. Dual boot is enough. He'll deal. Or not. (sort of a workaround for WinXP arrogance/stupidity here) Everything was fine to the 'install XP' stage. At the first XP reboot after identifying which partition to install on the installer kept starting over. Lilo was also missing in action but I expected that and knew how to recover it. But XP complained about another Windows installation seems to be present... blah blah blah so I was forced to rescue lilo, change the /win mount points (nuked 98 SE, edited FSTAB and LILO to reflect that and ident the NT boot) rebooted, installed (first stage) XP, rebooted. Rescued lilo *again*, just to get Windows to finish the install and *shut up.* That worked. Finally. :-) All this after I remembered what order I had used when I made the users originally. Ooops. ;-) Enough complaining. His son has access to an old Compaq Presario 7360 w/AMD K62 500 MHz, 192 (added 128) MB SDRAM, 8.4 GB hdd, on-board everything. Blech! Now for the fun part; They want to network the two and share the DSL connection without spending a ton (both on a very limited budget, son is unemployed/a student) on routers, switches, hubs, etc.. I have available; a crossover cable, RJ45 shielded (+ shielded ends) long enough to connect, enough NICs for a quorum, and (maybe) enough time. Unfortunately the XP machine has to be the 'router/gateway' for the network they want. Hardware (MAC) addresses etc. One phone call to his ISP a day is enough thanks. Help-desk personnel aren't overly helpful. In case anyone is wondering; I'll deal with the ISP for activation of another IP address if/when it's needed so don't worry. I ain't doing this in pirate mode since I'm the guy that refuses to even share music files with anyone but my kids. They swipe my CDs in other words. g My neighbors just can't afford a hell of a lot of additional hardware or software. Questions; The XP machine will have two network interfaces, eth0 (the on-board) for internet access, eth1 (D-Link are what I have available here) for network connection using the crossover cable run to the other machine's eth0. That I understand. What if any 'additional' (other than Samba) software will be required to interface (file share, share printer, scanner, drive[s]) XP with Mandrake 9.0? Also what will I need to configure to keep from locking either machine up if the other reboots to run a different OS or when 'updating' XP or 98 SE? The Compaq has Windows 98 SE and will (soon) be booting Mandrake (8.2?, 9.0? suggestions?) as well. The young feller wants to learn to use GNU/Linux; and will probably spend the majority of his time in Mandrake. This would mean even one lock-up when the father does something silly is unacceptable. Or vice versa. Is this possible? Or do I have to convince him to invest in a hub/switch or router? I'd really like not to have to try to convince them of that. Hardware ain't cheap in Canada. Thanks for reading and sorry for the length. Any help or hints will be more than welcome. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org The average, healthy, well-adjusted adult gets up at seven-thirty in the morning feeling just terrible. -- Jean Kerr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (long)New machine, new home net, new headache...
Hope I can help out with this a little. I don't have XP but i do run win98 on my main machine dual boot with mandrake 8.2 and mandrake 9.0 on my little puter What I had to do to get the networking done was to: Boot main machine to mandrake, added a simple rc.firewall script for IP masquerading that i found on the net, rebooted. Installed mandrake 9.0 on the little puter while main machine was running mandrake. Network configuration during install on the little puter set everything up just right the first try, didn't have to change anything to get network access. next, booted to windows and enabled Internet Connection Sharing. rebooted. The whole time, the little puter was running in the background in the other room. Now, even if I reboot the main machine I don't have to do anything to the little puter to get network connections back... as soon as the OS on the main machine loads, the network runs on both, and nothing on the little puter locks up durring the main machine's reboot. Like I said, I don't have XP (and wouldn't) so I don't know how it works, but I do know that it works fine with win98 with little problem. Jerry On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 16:32, Charlie wrote: Howdy list mates; I'm positive this has been covered in agonizing detail multiple times but there are a few issues that I need refreshed so I'll post the questions again. I hope nobody minds. My downstairs neighbor bought a new tower (replaced a Celeron 366) based on: ECS K7SEM (yeah I know but he doesn't listen and has a WAY limited budget.) Duron 850, running standard clock on o/c bus, running at 896 MHz no trouble, no overheating. http://www.ecsusa.com/products/k7sem_v3.html (for board specs) 30 GB Maxtor I don't have the partition table in front of me, sorry, but; XP Pro (NTFS first 6 GB), Mandrake 9.0 (/boot ext2, and / as ext3, usual suspects on XFS, 12.+ GB), FAT 32 shared as /winshare (11.+ GB). Both OSes seem content with that. 384 MB PC 133 SDRAM connection: ADSL (using DHCP) access He's a Windows kinda guy unfortunately; but when I helped him set up his new machine I helped him decide to give Mandrake 9.0 a try as a dual boot with his Windows 98 SE. That was fun. :-( First partitioned the drive for the different OSes (used disk drake from 'Drake 9.0 installer and made partitions for Windows/sharing FAT32, installed 9.0) since he actually got an early present of XP Pro and decided to triple boot. He's been running 98 SE (comfort zone) and wanted to use that, 'learn' XP, plus learn Mandrake 9.0. 98 SE is now dead, doesn't exist, it's _gone._ I got sick of arguing with it. Dual boot is enough. He'll deal. Or not. (sort of a workaround for WinXP arrogance/stupidity here) Everything was fine to the 'install XP' stage. At the first XP reboot after identifying which partition to install on the installer kept starting over. Lilo was also missing in action but I expected that and knew how to recover it. But XP complained about another Windows installation seems to be present... blah blah blah so I was forced to rescue lilo, change the /win mount points (nuked 98 SE, edited FSTAB and LILO to reflect that and ident the NT boot) rebooted, installed (first stage) XP, rebooted. Rescued lilo *again*, just to get Windows to finish the install and *shut up.* That worked. Finally. :-) All this after I remembered what order I had used when I made the users originally. Ooops. ;-) Enough complaining. His son has access to an old Compaq Presario 7360 w/AMD K62 500 MHz, 192 (added 128) MB SDRAM, 8.4 GB hdd, on-board everything. Blech! Now for the fun part; They want to network the two and share the DSL connection without spending a ton (both on a very limited budget, son is unemployed/a student) on routers, switches, hubs, etc.. I have available; a crossover cable, RJ45 shielded (+ shielded ends) long enough to connect, enough NICs for a quorum, and (maybe) enough time. Unfortunately the XP machine has to be the 'router/gateway' for the network they want. Hardware (MAC) addresses etc. One phone call to his ISP a day is enough thanks. Help-desk personnel aren't overly helpful. In case anyone is wondering; I'll deal with the ISP for activation of another IP address if/when it's needed so don't worry. I ain't doing this in pirate mode since I'm the guy that refuses to even share music files with anyone but my kids. They swipe my CDs in other words. g My neighbors just can't afford a hell of a lot of additional hardware or software. Questions; The XP machine will have two network interfaces, eth0 (the on-board) for internet access, eth1 (D-Link are what I have available here) for network connection using the crossover cable run to the other machine's eth0. That I understand. What if any 'additional' (other than Samba) software will be required to interface (file share, share printer, scanner, drive[s]) XP with
Re: [newbie] (long)New machine, new home net, new headache...
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 08:32, Charlie wrote: Howdy list mates; Thanks for reading and sorry for the length. Any help or hints will be more than welcome. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada With the one machine being the gateway and not having a hub, lockups are inevitable. Sorry mate. Either which, you can setup Samba to emulate the exact same workgroup setup as you'd have with XP - just make sure you mirror server name, server IP, share names, etc etc etc...that'll be close enough to nice to keep things from falling apart. When (and if) I reboot my machine here (the linux box/server), the SMB setup is exactly the same so that nothing and no one on the network suffer...that is, IF I reboot - which is seldom unless I make serious modifications to the network or the server. -- Thu Dec 19 08:45:00 EST 2002 8:45am up 2:12, 4 users, load average: 0.44, 0.14, 0.10 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn But you who live on dreams, you are better pleased with the sophistical reasoning and frauds of talkers about great and uncertain matters than those who speak of certain and natural matters, not of such lofty nature. -- Leonardo Da Vinci, The Codex on the Flight of Birds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (long)New machine, new home net, new headache...
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:32:31 -0700 Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy list mates; I'm positive this has been covered in agonizing detail multiple times but there are a few issues that I need refreshed so I'll post the questions again. I hope nobody minds. My downstairs neighbor bought a new tower (replaced a Celeron 366) based on: ECS K7SEM (yeah I know but he doesn't listen and has a WAY limited budget.) Duron 850, running standard clock on o/c bus, running at 896 MHz no trouble, no overheating. http://www.ecsusa.com/products/k7sem_v3.html (for board specs) 30 GB Maxtor I don't have the partition table in front of me, sorry, but; XP Pro (NTFS first 6 GB), Mandrake 9.0 (/boot ext2, and / as ext3, usual suspects on XFS, 12.+ GB), FAT 32 shared as /winshare (11.+ GB). Both OSes seem content with that. 384 MB PC 133 SDRAM connection: ADSL (using DHCP) access He's a Windows kinda guy unfortunately; but when I helped him set up his new machine I helped him decide to give Mandrake 9.0 a try as a dual boot with his Windows 98 SE. That was fun. :-( First partitioned the drive for the different OSes (used disk drake from 'Drake 9.0 installer and made partitions for Windows/sharing FAT32, installed 9.0) since he actually got an early present of XP Pro and decided to triple boot. He's been running 98 SE (comfort zone) and wanted to use that, 'learn' XP, plus learn Mandrake 9.0. 98 SE is now dead, doesn't exist, it's _gone._ I got sick of arguing with it. Dual boot is enough. He'll deal. Or not. (sort of a workaround for WinXP arrogance/stupidity here) Everything was fine to the 'install XP' stage. At the first XP reboot after identifying which partition to install on the installer kept starting over. Lilo was also missing in action but I expected that and knew how to recover it. But XP complained about another Windows installation seems to be present... blah blah blah so I was forced to rescue lilo, change the /win mount points (nuked 98 SE, edited FSTAB and LILO to reflect that and ident the NT boot) rebooted, installed (first stage) XP, rebooted. Rescued lilo *again*, just to get Windows to finish the install and *shut up.* That worked. Finally. :-) All this after I remembered what order I had used when I made the users originally. Ooops. ;-) Enough complaining. His son has access to an old Compaq Presario 7360 w/AMD K62 500 MHz, 192 (added 128) MB SDRAM, 8.4 GB hdd, on-board everything. Blech! Now for the fun part; They want to network the two and share the DSL connection without spending a ton (both on a very limited budget, son is unemployed/a student) on routers, switches, hubs, etc.. I have available; a crossover cable, RJ45 shielded (+ shielded ends) long enough to connect, enough NICs for a quorum, and (maybe) enough time. Unfortunately the XP machine has to be the 'router/gateway' for the network they want. Hardware (MAC) addresses etc. One phone call to his ISP a day is enough thanks. Help-desk personnel aren't overly helpful. In case anyone is wondering; I'll deal with the ISP for activation of another IP address if/when it's needed so don't worry. I ain't doing this in pirate mode since I'm the guy that refuses to even share music files with anyone but my kids. They swipe my CDs in other words. g My neighbors just can't afford a hell of a lot of additional hardware or software. Questions; The XP machine will have two network interfaces, eth0 (the on-board) for internet access, eth1 (D-Link are what I have available here) for network connection using the crossover cable run to the other machine's eth0. That I understand. What if any 'additional' (other than Samba) software will be required to interface (file share, share printer, scanner, drive[s]) XP with Mandrake 9.0? Also what will I need to configure to keep from locking either machine up if the other reboots to run a different OS or when 'updating' XP or 98 SE? The Compaq has Windows 98 SE and will (soon) be booting Mandrake (8.2?, 9.0? suggestions?) as well. The young feller wants to learn to use GNU/Linux; and will probably spend the majority of his time in Mandrake. This would mean even one lock-up when the father does something silly is unacceptable. Or vice versa. Is this possible? Or do I have to convince him to invest in a hub/switch or router? I'd really like not to have to try to convince them of that. Hardware ain't cheap in Canada. Thanks for reading and sorry for the length. Any help or hints will be more than welcome. Regards; -- Charlie, I would strongly advise using a hub with that mess. The fact that the ISP is using DHCP is going to cause a major headache if they are dual booting more than one 'puter. Something is going to need being in one OS or you're going to have IP difficulties on the internal network. Spence Want to buy your Pack or Services from
