Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Why bother? Just filter. Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Why bother? Just filter. Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs... Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig enjoys it __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Why bother? Just filter. Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs... Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig enjoys it Shouldn't pig wrestling/dancing be on the OT list? Or are these Mandrake packages that I just haven't installed yet? ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:55, Margot wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Why bother? Just filter. Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs... Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig enjoys it Shouldn't pig wrestling/dancing be on the OT list? Or are these Mandrake packages that I just haven't installed yet? ;-) Gonna take ya to Alabama girl then we can hypnotize chickens after the pig dancingg __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 9:15 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:24:32 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snark! I doubt if they will affect the list archives - although mine were diverted by mozilla filter into my newbie list folder, I think that was because they had [newbie] as part of the subject line - the messages were addressed to my email address, not to the list. Margot sylpheed has an option in its filters DO NOT RECEIVE from server essentially...won't even d/l the thing. One possible problem there is if you use a spam filtering proxy. Since sylpheed would be pulling from the proxy, the spam would remain there, and would build up. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
I just received five copies of the following message, sent to my email address and not to the list.Anyone else get any? Should I reply to M J Pipkin? Margot Original Message Subject: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700 From: M J Pipkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send no further newbie communicationsand remove my name from your list. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Margot wrote: I just received five copies of the following message, sent to my email address and not to the list.Anyone else get any? Should I reply to M J Pipkin? Margot Original Message Subject: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700 From: M J Pipkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send no further newbie communicationsand remove my name from your list. I replied, somewhat brusquely: This is also unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Maybe I should have also have pointed out that unsolicited spam is redundant, since solicited spam would be a contradiction in terms. Sir Robin -- Hackers appear to wear black more because it goes with everything and hides dirt than because they want to look like goths. - Eric Raymond Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Robin Turner wrote: Margot wrote: I just received five copies of the following message, sent to my email address and not to the list.Anyone else get any? Should I reply to M J Pipkin? Margot Original Message Subject: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700 From: M J Pipkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send no further newbie communicationsand remove my name from your list. I replied, somewhat brusquely: This is also unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Maybe I should have also have pointed out that unsolicited spam is redundant, since solicited spam would be a contradiction in terms. Sir Robin Hmmm...surely it is possible to buy tinned meat over the internet? That would be solicited spam... Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
That's okay for us with decent connections but what about the poor souls with dial up still? And think about how crazy the archives are going to look. I think we really need someone at the server end dev nulling them before they get to the list. Or at least trying to stop it ourselves. Tony. -Original Message- From: HaywireMac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)] On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:07:13 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I replied, somewhat brusquely: I doubt you could out-brusque me... ;-) I called him Pippy. Anyhow, I think it is an automated response, prolly a bounce. Best just to /dev/null it. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Facts are the enemy of truth. -- Don Quixote -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
yankl wrote: On Thursday 02 October 2003 07:01 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Is this from before or after doing # modprobe snd-via8233 ? Charles Margote, modprobe will load your driver but not setup your moduls.conf. so after every restart you must run modeprobe again or change the modules.conf file. according to one of my coworker, we had hour long conversation today about your problem, if you have on-board modem it could be recognized in rear cases as Live SB sound. he thinks as I sad before that you compiled live sb in your kernel. Also, Do you have /dev/dsp linked to /dev/sound? [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# ls -l /dev/sound total 0 Thanks for talking to your coworker - I need all the help I can get! This talk of compiling kernel is worrying - I have never knowingly compiled a kernel. Does this happen automatically on reinstall? Can I have done it by accident, without noticing? what was the SB Live line in your lspsidrake, the archive server hided your post? Check the number on the web at http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/. [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# lspcidrake unknown : VIA Technologies Inc|CPU-to-PCI Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] snd-emu10k1 : Creative Labs|SB Live! (audio) emu10k1-gp : Creative Labs|SB Live! (joystick) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] usb-uhci: VIA Technologies|VT82C586B USB snd-via8233 : VIA Technologies|VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] unknown : S3 Inc.|VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller unknown : Virtual|Hub [] unknown : Epson Corp.|USB Printer [Printer|Printer|Bidirectional] [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# SB Live seems to appear twice in this list, once as audio and once as joystick. I haven't got a joystick on my system. I checked the webpage you suggested, couldn't find any entry for emu10k1 or 10k1 - was I looking for the right thing? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:52:00 +0100 Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: That's okay for us with decent connections but what about the poor souls with dial up still? http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MailFilter Deletes 'em right off the POP server. Gotta love it. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I have often regretted my speech, never my silence. -- Publilius Syrus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Tony S. Sykes wrote: That's okay for us with decent connections but what about the poor souls with dial up still? And think about how crazy the archives are going to look. I think we really need someone at the server end dev nulling them before they get to the list. Or at least trying to stop it ourselves. Tony. I doubt if they will affect the list archives - although mine were diverted by mozilla filter into my newbie list folder, I think that was because they had [newbie] as part of the subject line - the messages were addressed to my email address, not to the list. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:42:45 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the same, before and after modprobe snd-via8233. I'm not sure what modprobe is actually meant to do The command modprobe foo loads the kernel module foo Can you do an experiment for me, it should fix your sound problem or at least give me a clearer understanding of what is causing it. Be sure that your /etc/modules.config still list Only probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Launch drakxservises ( # drakxservises ) Find the listing for 'harddrake' and 'uncheck' the box for 'on boot' Reboot your system. Check your /etc/modules.config, it should still list only probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Run draksound ( # draksound ) Select the via8233 driver and press OK Check your /etc/modules.config, again. It should now include the snd module 'alias sound-slot-0 snd-via8233' If so, test to see if you have system sound, can play a cd, etc. If you do then we have found the solution, if not they we will start back from scratch. Charles -- Spare no expense to save money on this one. -- Samuel Goldwyn - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10.tmb.4mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 10:38 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:07:13 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I replied, somewhat brusquely: I doubt you could out-brusque me... ;-) I called him Pippy. Anyhow, I think it is an automated response, prolly a bounce. Best just to /dev/null it. This highlights the danger of setting up an automatic bounce or reject, without sufficient monitoring. He/she had to sign up in the first place. If there was any reasonable monitoring it would quickly be noticed that list traffic was being affected. However, there have been several cases where it has been obvious that people have not realised what they were signing up for. I wonder if it is time we considered asking MandrakeSoft to add to the sign-up invitation the fact that signing up to an active list indicates a willingness to receive considerable amounts of mail? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:31:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This highlights the danger of setting up an automatic bounce or reject, without sufficient monitoring. He/she had to sign up in the first place. Not necessarily, as we have found out with Mr. SMS. It is possible, even likely, that the list mail which is bothering Pippy so much is somehow being forwarded to Pippy from another address which *did* subscribe. The only way to know for sure, I guess, is to have a list admin type check the records. I *do* however second your recommendation that a warning (although I would not describe it as such on the welcome page, LOL!) be added so that subscribers know what they are in for, esp from certain people... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Goodbye, cool world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:34, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:31:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This highlights the danger of setting up an automatic bounce or reject, without sufficient monitoring. He/she had to sign up in the first place. Not necessarily, as we have found out with Mr. SMS. It is possible, even likely, that the list mail which is bothering Pippy so much is somehow being forwarded to Pippy from another address which *did* subscribe. The only way to know for sure, I guess, is to have a list admin type check the records. I *do* however second your recommendation that a warning (although I would not describe it as such on the welcome page, LOL!) be added so that subscribers know what they are in for, esp from certain people... ;-) would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:31, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 03 Oct 2003 10:38 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:07:13 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I replied, somewhat brusquely: I doubt you could out-brusque me... ;-) I called him Pippy. Anyhow, I think it is an automated response, prolly a bounce. Best just to /dev/null it. This highlights the danger of setting up an automatic bounce or reject, without sufficient monitoring. He/she had to sign up in the first place. If there was any reasonable monitoring it would quickly be noticed that list traffic was being affected. However, there have been several cases where it has been obvious that people have not realised what they were signing up for. I wonder if it is time we considered asking MandrakeSoft to add to the sign-up invitation the fact that signing up to an active list indicates a willingness to receive considerable amounts of mail? Anne it occurs to me that this might even be a filter someone setup to kill the SMS message stuff, and now all the stuff with newbie in the header or body gets /dev/nulled, so he don't even see the replies. next he will be wondering why he does not get even his posts to the listg -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? That could possibly create a loop so powerful so as to create an infinite singularity, imploding the universe and ending existence. Wait til I finish my coffee, okay? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ When the wind is great, bow before it; when the wind is heavy, yield to it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:45, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? That could possibly create a loop so powerful so as to create an infinite singularity, imploding the universe and ending existence. Wait til I finish my coffee, okay? And the Hee-Haw Memorial Paul Dirac award goes to Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:54, Aron Smith wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:45, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? That could possibly create a loop so powerful so as to create an infinite singularity, imploding the universe and ending existence. Wait til I finish my coffee, okay? And the Hee-Haw Memorial Paul Dirac award goes to but I have not gotten anything from MJ this morning, anyone else still getting them? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Friday 03 October 2003 12:09, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: On Thursday 02 October 2003 07:01 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Is this from before or after doing # modprobe snd-via8233 ? Charles Margote, modprobe will load your driver but not setup your moduls.conf. so after every restart you must run modeprobe again or change the modules.conf file. according to one of my coworker, we had hour long conversation today about your problem, if you have on-board modem it could be recognized in rear cases as Live SB sound. he thinks as I sad before that you compiled live sb in your kernel. Also, Do you have /dev/dsp linked to /dev/sound? [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# ls -l /dev/sound total 0 Thanks for talking to your coworker - I need all the help I can get! This talk of compiling kernel is worrying - I have never knowingly compiled a kernel. Does this happen automatically on reinstall? Can I have done it by accident, without noticing? No and no :) what was the SB Live line in your lspsidrake, the archive server hided your post? Check the number on the web at http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/. [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# lspcidrake unknown : VIA Technologies Inc|CPU-to-PCI Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] snd-emu10k1 : Creative Labs|SB Live! (audio) emu10k1-gp : Creative Labs|SB Live! (joystick) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] usb-uhci: VIA Technologies|VT82C586B USB snd-via8233 : VIA Technologies|VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] unknown : S3 Inc.|VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller unknown : Virtual|Hub [] unknown : Epson Corp.|USB Printer [Printer|Printer|Bidirectional] [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# SB Live seems to appear twice in this list, once as audio and once as joystick. I haven't got a joystick on my system. But I think you have a gameport and this is the driver for it, at least that's what lspsidrake says... I checked the webpage you suggested, couldn't find any entry for emu10k1 or 10k1 - was I looking for the right thing? I just experimented a bit and found this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] frans]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation M1541 (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation M1541 PCI to AGP Controller (rev 04) 00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) 00:03.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 PMU 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] (rev c3) 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 30) 00:0f.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c1) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVidia / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128 (rev 10) Now a wanted to check my '00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B' and did: [EMAIL PROTECTED] frans]$ lspci -nv The part of the output starting with 00:0a was: 00:0a.0 Class 0200: 10b7:9055 (rev 30) Subsystem: 10b7:9055 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10 I/O ports at d800 [size=128] Memory at de00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128] Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: available only to root From the first line I took the 10b7 number and then found at http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/ : 10b7 3Com Corporation Btw I just found vendor ID 1102 in one of your mails and that's indeed Creative Labs. Margot HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Friday 03 October 2003 11:42, Margot wrote: Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Is this from before or after doing # modprobe snd-via8233 ? Charles It is the same, before and after modprobe snd-via8233. I'm not sure what modprobe is actually meant to do - should it make a difference to this file? Have I broken something else now? Margot Modprobe inserts the module (and other modules if they are needed by that module) into the kernel. If 'modprobe snd-via8233' gives no errors the module should be loaded. You can check with '/sbin/lsmod'. Alsamixer should work then. 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' then loads the OSS emulation modules. Now aumix and kmix should work. When you logout and login again I hope the KDE soundserver will start. It seems to me there is something wrong with hardware detection, maybe a software error, some database error or hardware identifying itself incorrectedly. HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
Ed, but I have not gotten anything from MJ this morning, anyone else still getting them? Not as yet, but I´m still getting the SMS message one though. Regards Trevor Rhodes === Powered by Linux- Mandrake 9.1 Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org Registered Machine #'s 186951 Mandrake Club Silver Member Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. === 00:24:51 up 1 day, 5:32, 3 users, load average: 2.00, 2.02, 2.02 -- Never mud wrestle with a pig.. you get dirty and the pig enjoys it! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:25, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Ed, but I have not gotten anything from MJ this morning, anyone else still getting them? Not as yet, but I´m still getting the SMS message one though. Regards Trevor Rhodes I would _never_ suggest that anyone attempt to get the attention of an ISP by using the 'whois' contact names and forwarding each piece of spam (autoreply) to their email addresses, but my checking of the only IP number in the headers that was not a restricted address (81.211.47.3) gives me a couple of addresses to forward all my SMS messages and headers to. % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 81.211.47.0 - 81.211.47.255 netname: SOVINTEL-MTS-NET descr:Moscow Russia descr:ID-6069, OJSC Mobile TeleSystems country: RU admin-c: VK229-RIPE tech-c: VK229-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20030505 source: RIPE route:81.211.0.0/17 descr:EDN Sovintel origin: AS8773 mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20021104 source: RIPE person: Victor Krasnov address: CJSC Mobile TeleSystems address: 4, Marksistskaia address: 109147, Moscow phone:+7 095 7653209 fax-no: +7 095 7660040 nic-hdl: VK229-RIPE changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19971114 source: RIPE so lets see, if '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' are good addresses? no bounce yet... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Friday 03 October 2003 16:20, Frans Ketelaars wrote: snip SB Live seems to appear twice in this list, once as audio and once as joystick. I haven't got a joystick on my system. But I think you have a gameport and this is the driver for it, at least that's what lspsidrake says... I should have said ...and emu10k1-gp is the driver for it... snip -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On 03 Oct 2003 10:41:23 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I would _never_ suggest that anyone attempt to get the attention of an ISP by using the 'whois' contact names and forwarding each piece of spam(autoreply) to their email addresses, you naughty boy, you! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It's very inconvenient to be mortal -- you never know when everything may suddenly stop happening. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipple would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? OMFG Aron! you're just evil!!! ROFL! TY ! best laugh of the day yet! a giggling Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:24:32 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snark! I doubt if they will affect the list archives - although mine were diverted by mozilla filter into my newbie list folder, I think that was because they had [newbie] as part of the subject line - the messages were addressed to my email address, not to the list. Margot sylpheed has an option in its filters DO NOT RECEIVE from server essentially...won't even d/l the thing. *s* Smerty Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:09:05 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RIP SB Live seems to appear twice in this list, once as audio and once as joystick. I haven't got a joystick on my system. I checked the webpage you suggested, couldn't find any entry for emu10k1 or 10k1 - was I looking for the right thing? Margot joystick shows up cause its finding a port for a joystick to plug into ... a chip soldered to the mobo. ignore it. Feee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Friday 03 October 2003 06:09 am, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: On Thursday 02 October 2003 07:01 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Is this from before or after doing # modprobe snd-via8233 ? Charles Margote, modprobe will load your driver but not setup your moduls.conf. so after every restart you must run modeprobe again or change the modules.conf file. according to one of my coworker, we had hour long conversation today about your problem, if you have on-board modem it could be recognized in rear cases as Live SB sound. he thinks as I sad before that you compiled live sb in your kernel. Also, Do you have /dev/dsp linked to /dev/sound? [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# ls -l /dev/sound total 0 Thanks for talking to your coworker - I need all the help I can get! This talk of compiling kernel is worrying - I have never knowingly compiled a kernel. Does this happen automatically on reinstall? Can I have done it by accident, without noticing? what was the SB Live line in your lspsidrake, the archive server hided your post? Check the number on the web at http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/. [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# lspcidrake unknown : VIA Technologies Inc|CPU-to-PCI Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] snd-emu10k1 : Creative Labs|SB Live! (audio) emu10k1-gp : Creative Labs|SB Live! (joystick) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] usb-uhci: VIA Technologies|VT82C586B USB snd-via8233 : VIA Technologies|VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] unknown : S3 Inc.|VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller unknown : Virtual|Hub [] unknown : Epson Corp.|USB Printer [Printer|Printer|Bidirectional] [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# SB Live seems to appear twice in this list, once as audio and once as joystick. I haven't got a joystick on my system. I checked the webpage you suggested, couldn't find any entry for emu10k1 or 10k1 - was I looking for the right thing? Margot I was looking for lspcidrake -f -v it have a vendor number and a page I reference you to is vendor number collection. For example: ohci1394: Texas Instruments|TSB12LV26 OHCI-Lynx PCI IEEE 1394 Host Controller [SERIAL_FIREWIRE] (vendor:104c device:8020 subv:1235 subd:8020) Vendor 104c Texas Instrument. Device 8020 TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link) Modeprobe will load driver in memory if it is fine you should have no messages unless you will run it with -v option. About SB live appearing twice, this what give me a clue about having phisical card installed since card usualy have gameport on it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Damian Gatabria wrote: I've got another one of my useless ideas. Maybe some day one will be of use. First, to get the obvious out of the way, do this: killall -9 artsd killall -9 esd Then, try these, as root: service alsa stop service sound stop then do: lsmod and rmmod anything that starts with snd-, like: rmmod snd-via8233 there were none on the list starting with snd- then, also do a rmmod emu10k1-gp (this is the module that appears loaded as the driver for your unexistant soundcard. Kill everything and anything you see that relates to this soundcard). response: is not loaded You have said earlier that your /etc/modules.conf looks like: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 snd-via8233 above snd-via8233 snd-pcm-oss alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 So, remove both lines relating to your sound system. (that is, the third and fourth line.) Save your changes. The idea behind this is to completely clean your sound setup. Now, we should be able to configure from the ground up. do: (always as root) insmod snd-via8233 and check for any errors or output messages. here's the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233 Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_set_rate /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_device_new_R87e48843 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_ops_copy_playback_Rec66fd7a /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_card_free_R820ca2b0 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed_R968c87bc /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_ops_copy_capture_Rdfd622cd /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_lib_ioctl_R0c37ba43 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_kcalloc_R4da9e78a /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_ops_page_R7a8ee415 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_alloc_R2a669b82 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_delete_Rb7b9d725 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_init_Rc967ea05 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_malloc_pci_pages_Raeebaf47 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_list_Rf47da10a /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_mixer /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_set_ops_R44acc868 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_free_pci_pages_Rb58eb5d1 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_update_bits /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_sgbuf_ops_silence_R257cd3e5 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_card_register_R0f0eb42a /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_pow2_Rb85bfb6a /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_card_new_Rad682a69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy kdeinit: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit: Exit. Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! Margot If that went allright, then: -open up aumix and turn the volume up. -open up xmms, right click on it so you get the context menu, go to options -- preferences and choose ALSA ad output plugin. If you don't see alsa, then you need to: urpmi xmms-alsa then try again and select alsa as output. Then, choose any sound file and try to play it. Tell me how it went. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
here's the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233 Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_set_rate /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829 Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! No, not really... it means that either: a) another module is to be loaded first. b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely) it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 04:48, Damian Gatabria escribió: here's the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233 Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_set_rate /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829 Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! No, not really... it means that either: a) another module is to be loaded first. b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely) it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep. Ok, try: modprobe soundcore modprobe snd-via8233 Does it still spit all the errors? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 17:32, Margot wrote: Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! Oy. Ok...let's do this from the top. Margot, ya want sound? 1.) Remove any and all references to anything to do with a sound card or a sound module from your /etc/modules.conf 2.) In HardDrake remove the card/driver. 3.) Power OFF the machine - for at least 30 seconds. 4.) Make SURE in your BIOS that you have PNP OS set to NO and that the AC97 SOUND is set to ON and the AC97 MODEM is set OFF. Save the changes in BIOS - which will warm-boot - and watch carefully for any messages whilst booting - like New Hardware Found - Removing old configuration - or whatever. 5.) Once you've logged into MDK, check all mixer volumes (aumix, kmix, alsamixergui - and make sure they're not muted) 6.) Reboot again for good measure. AT THIS POINT - if you DO NOT have any sound, then we can dig deeper. Just by doing all of the above, you should - SHOULD have some sound. I personally don't like the AC97 crap that's built into motherboard, but ain't nothing we can do about the manufacturers...and since we're not slapping in a really nice new sound card right now, let's just get those steps over with - ay? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Troll sat alone on his seat of stone, And munched and mumbled a bare old bone; For many a year he had gnawed it near, For meat was hard to come by. Done by! Gum by! In a cave in the hills he dwelt alone, And meat was hard to come by. Up came Tom with his big boots on. Said he to Troll: Pray, what is youn? For it looks like the shin o' my nuncle Tim, As should be a-lyin in graveyard. Caveyard! Paveyard! This many a year has Tim been gone, And I thought he were lyin' in graveyard. My lad, said Troll, this bone I stole. But what be bones that lie in a hole? Thy nuncle was dead as a lump o' lead, Afore I found his shinbone. Tinbone! Thinbone! He can spare a share for a poor old troll For he don't need his shinbone. Said Tom: I don't see why the likes o' thee Without axin' leave should go makin' free With the shank or the shin o' my father's kin; So hand the old bone over! Rover! Trover! Though dead he be, it belongs to he; So hand the old bnone over! -- J. R. R. Tolkien Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:32:50 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damian Gatabria wrote: Giant amputation Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! Margot Margot, see a thread I started Re: a tip for buggered up sound. I had exactly the same error (Device busy..blah blah) did that sound trick in KDE's CC. might work for you... Look! Up in the Sky! Its a bird, no its a plane, no its Superstoned to the rescue! (looks for hte nearest phonebooth returns to her normal, blah self). SuperFemme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 10:58, Margot escribió: Damian Gatabria wrote: El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 04:48, Damian Gatabria escribió: here's the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233 Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_set_rate /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829 Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! No, not really... it means that either: a) another module is to be loaded first. b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely) it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep. Ok, try: modprobe soundcore modprobe snd-via8233 Does it still spit all the errors? Hope you slept well! No errors, in fact no response at all: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe soundcore [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe snd-via8233 [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# Margot nice! now let's keep going. Open up aumix, turn the volume up, set xmms to play using ALSA as i described in the other post, and try to play something. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Hope you slept well! hmph, how rude of me not to answer. Thanks! :o) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Damian Gatabria wrote: El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 15:21, Margot escribió: Damian Gatabria wrote: El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 10:58, Margot escribió: Damian Gatabria wrote: El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 04:48, Damian Gatabria escribió: here's the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233 Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_ac97_set_rate /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829 Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! No, not really... it means that either: a) another module is to be loaded first. b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely) it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep. Ok, try: modprobe soundcore modprobe snd-via8233 Does it still spit all the errors? Hope you slept well! No errors, in fact no response at all: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe soundcore [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe snd-via8233 [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# Margot nice! now let's keep going. Open up aumix, turn the volume up, set xmms to play using ALSA as i described in the other post, and try to play something. Damian One step forward, three steps back I now seem to have broken aumix - try to open using the K menu, just get an eggtimer for a few seconds then nothing. Tried from CLI, got no response at all, not even an error message! ... umm.. try restarting the sound services first: service sound start service alsa start ...should be working any minute now :oP Still no aumix. Tried reboot - see attached picture of error message. Tried Kmix - opened a blank window. Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the fix wasn't permanent! inline: snapshot6.pngWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:16, Margot wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 17:32, Margot wrote: Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! Oy. Ok...let's do this from the top. Margot, ya want sound? 1.) Remove any and all references to anything to do with a sound card or a sound module from your /etc/modules.conf 2.) In HardDrake remove the card/driver. 3.) Power OFF the machine - for at least 30 seconds. 4.) Make SURE in your BIOS that you have PNP OS set to NO and that the AC97 SOUND is set to ON and the AC97 MODEM is set OFF. Save the changes in BIOS - which will warm-boot - and watch carefully for any messages whilst booting - like New Hardware Found - Removing old configuration - or whatever. 5.) Once you've logged into MDK, check all mixer volumes (aumix, kmix, alsamixergui - and make sure they're not muted) 6.) Reboot again for good measure. AT THIS POINT - if you DO NOT have any sound, then we can dig deeper. Just by doing all of the above, you should - SHOULD have some sound. I personally don't like the AC97 crap that's built into motherboard, but ain't nothing we can do about the manufacturers...and since we're not slapping in a really nice new sound card right now, let's just get those steps over with - ay? stephen kuhn - owner Stephen, Thanks. Been working through your list, but only got as far as Step 2 - how do I remove the soundcards from the list? I've tried highlightling and pressing delete - no response. Tried a right click in case there was a menu with a delete option - but there isn't. See picture for what I've got! As I don't seem to have a delete option, is there a way to delete them manually using CLI? Ok...then skip #2 - just continue on. The idea behind this whole exercise is to remove ANY sound from the system and then get it to recognise new hardware - a new sound card... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind. -- H.L. Mencken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:06:19 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the fix wasn't permanent! I have not been closely following this thread but could you post your current /etc/module.conf. I had been having a time the last day or 2 with my snd and was getting the same alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed error. In my case some f**king app had changed my modules.conf Charles pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:06:19 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the fix wasn't permanent! I have not been closely following this thread but could you post your current /etc/module.conf. I had been having a time the last day or 2 with my snd and was getting the same alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed error. In my case some f**king app had changed my modules.conf Charles Here's the current version: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 (I was told earlier to delete the lines relating to sound, so I did!) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:16, Margot wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 17:32, Margot wrote: Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further! Oy. Ok...let's do this from the top. Margot, ya want sound? 1.) Remove any and all references to anything to do with a sound card or a sound module from your /etc/modules.conf 2.) In HardDrake remove the card/driver. 3.) Power OFF the machine - for at least 30 seconds. 4.) Make SURE in your BIOS that you have PNP OS set to NO and that the AC97 SOUND is set to ON and the AC97 MODEM is set OFF. Save the changes in BIOS - which will warm-boot - and watch carefully for any messages whilst booting - like New Hardware Found - Removing old configuration - or whatever. 5.) Once you've logged into MDK, check all mixer volumes (aumix, kmix, alsamixergui - and make sure they're not muted) 6.) Reboot again for good measure. AT THIS POINT - if you DO NOT have any sound, then we can dig deeper. Just by doing all of the above, you should - SHOULD have some sound. I personally don't like the AC97 crap that's built into motherboard, but ain't nothing we can do about the manufacturers...and since we're not slapping in a really nice new sound card right now, let's just get those steps over with - ay? stephen kuhn - owner Stephen, Thanks. Been working through your list, but only got as far as Step 2 - how do I remove the soundcards from the list? I've tried highlightling and pressing delete - no response. Tried a right click in case there was a menu with a delete option - but there isn't. See picture for what I've got! As I don't seem to have a delete option, is there a way to delete them manually using CLI? Ok...then skip #2 - just continue on. The idea behind this whole exercise is to remove ANY sound from the system and then get it to recognise new hardware - a new sound card... stephen kuhn - owner OK Stephen, here's the current position (after following all your instructions!): BIOS settings are correct. Rebooted twice - no messages about new hardware or anything else, until I get to KDE when I get the attached error message. Still no aumix. Won't open at all, from GUI or CLI. Kmix - opens a blank window. Alsamixergui - still get same error message that I had before alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory - the problem that we thought was fixed after Anne advised me to install all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the fix wasn't permanent! KsCD - CD is whizzing around, but there's no track listing Grip - CD is whizzing, track listing OK Xmms - now won't open at all Speakers are plugged in correctly. MCC shows two Soundcards - the VT8233 AC97 which is correct, plus the SB Live that does not exist on my system. I get the usual modem dialling beeps, a beep when my emails arrive, a g'dong (sp?) when I switch the monitor on, and crackles from the speakers when my central heating switches on and when my neighbour's cordless phone rings, but otherwise no sound! You said we can dig deeper - I'm too tired right now (nearly midnight here) but I'll have my shovel ready in the morning to see what you've come up with overnight! Grateful thanks to everyone who has helped so far! Margot inline: snapshot6.pngWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias net-pf-4 ipx alias autofs autofs4 Is this from before or after doing # modprobe snd-via8233 ? Charles -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked. -- John Gall, _Systemantics_ - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10.tmb.4mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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yankl wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. Thanks for the suggestion Yankl - I gave it a go, but sadly it didn't make any difference. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 1:58 am, yankl wrote: Yanki's tip may not be relevant to Margot, but it's one worth noting. It got rid of some intermittant annoyances with sound on my system. Anne Glad I could help. And again my name is YANKL NOT YANKI. :) Sorry about that. Lower case i and l are not always obvious - and my eyes are not what they were - too much computing? g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 03:21, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. Thanks for the suggestion Yankl - I gave it a go, but sadly it didn't make any difference. Margot One more thing,,, If I am correct about these facts; this is an 'onboard sound chip', and you have enabled it in one place in your bios, after having disabled it previously to use a add on (pci-or-isa) sound card. there is in some bios a second (and much more hidden) setting to enable the on board sound it might be under a different menu, and you might even have to scroll down to find it, (if my memory serves, and what a joke that would be) I have one setting under legacy devices and another in PCI control, or something along those lines. check every entry on your BIOS for a second sound setting... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 1, 2003 01:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot Margot the statement above regarding never having heard of lspcidrake was not entirely accurate. You actually posted a response to my message detailing what one could expect to be found in the draksound troubleshooting dialogue. Of course having too many 'suggestions' from such busybodies as myself it's easy to be confused. After this response I'll go back to lurk mode. (-; - From what I just saw on the list archive I use http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbier=1w=2 it would seem that sympa is playing Hide the post again. sigh All of these commands need to be run as super user or root. If one of the commands suggested doesn't appear to have an entry in the system you're working with don't panic. Syntax and spelling, as well as any required capitalizations, are extremely important in any 'nix system. Just for grins'n'giggles (and as an illustration of how to prevent hair loss g) open a terminal as super user or root and type: dra Tab by which I mean hit the Tab key. That's the bash auto-completion function. It may actually help you in some situations. I'll step off again, you have plenty of help, and seem to have enough determination to figure this out with that help. Good luck; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:29:18 up 11 days, 2:50, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.11, 0.14 An adequate bootstrap is a contradiction in terms. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ey6tG11CaRuZZSIRAso1AJ9xbCGkEUfUmISGBHbUdZ8pKQ+iXwCfWtc/ ui2uVjUm4NL49jodIhoS8LI= =i2fS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 1, 2003 01:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot Margot the statement above regarding never having heard of lspcidrake was not entirely accurate. You actually posted a response to my message detailing what one could expect to be found in the draksound troubleshooting dialogue. Of course having too many 'suggestions' from such busybodies as myself it's easy to be confused. After this response I'll go back to lurk mode. (-; Aha! Yankl asked about lspcidrak, which is what I did, and got command not found. You asked about lspcidrake, with an e at the end. I didn't recognise one as being a typo! - From what I just saw on the list archive I use http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbier=1w=2 it would seem that sympa is playing Hide the post again. sigh All of these commands need to be run as super user or root. If one of the commands suggested doesn't appear to have an entry in the system you're working with don't panic. Syntax and spelling, as well as any required capitalizations, are extremely important in any 'nix system. Just for grins'n'giggles (and as an illustration of how to prevent hair loss g) open a terminal as super user or root and type: dra Tab by which I mean hit the Tab key. That's the bash auto-completion function. It may actually help you in some situations. Thanks Charlie - I got a list of words - presumably commands? - starting with drak. The Tab tip is a useful thing to know. Can I assume that it will always be drak if at the beginning, but drake if at the end? Or is it irregular, like English spelling? g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 9:01 pm, yankl wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. Remember that she said she had two lots of holes for the jacks. Of course, one set could be for a modem. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
yankl wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. I get very confused about when should be drak and when should be drake! [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrake -v -f unknown : VIA Technologies Inc|CPU-to-PCI Bridge [BRIDGE_HOST] (vendor:1106 device:3148 subv:1106 subd:) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] [BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:1106 device:b091) snd-emu10k1 : Creative Labs|SB Live! (audio) [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1102 device:0002 subv:1102 subd:0020) emu10k1-gp : Creative Labs|SB Live! (joystick) [INPUT_OTHER] (vendor:1102 device:7002 subv:1102 subd:0020) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge [BRIDGE_ISA] (vendor:1106 device:3074 subv:1106 subd:) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] [STORAGE_IDE] (vendor:1106 device:0571) usb-uhci: VIA Technologies|VT82C586B USB [SERIAL_USB] (vendor:1106 device:3038 subv:0925 subd:1234) snd-via8233 : VIA Technologies|VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1106 device:3059 subv:1297 subd:0142) unknown : S3 Inc.|VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:5333 device:8d04) unknown : Virtual|Hub [] (vendor: device:) unknown : Epson Corp.|USB Printer [Printer|Printer|Bidirectional] (vendor:04b8 device:0005) [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ I am 300% sure that I have never installed any hardware - wouldn't know where to start - and the invoice from the vendor only mentions AC97 on-board sound, there is no mention of (and no charge for!) any sound card. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 9:01 pm, yankl wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. Remember that she said she had two lots of holes for the jacks. Of course, one set could be for a modem. Anne I think I sorted that bit out, with help from Bryan - the second hole, when I studied it more carefully with a torch, turned out to be blue and not green! I'll have to get better lighting at floor level! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 10:19 pm, Margot wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 9:01 pm, yankl wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. Remember that she said she had two lots of holes for the jacks. Of course, one set could be for a modem. Anne I think I sorted that bit out, with help from Bryan - the second hole, when I studied it more carefully with a torch, turned out to be blue and not green! I'll have to get better lighting at floor level! Margot I know *that* feeling, too g I thought you had found two complete sets of holes. Were they just one set, but mounted in two rows? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 10:19 pm, Margot wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 9:01 pm, yankl wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: yankl wrote: I assume you have run lspci or lspcidrak and see just one device in it. If you see tow then you still need to go to BIOS and play with settings before you can reinstall your system. Yankl, I'd never heard of lspci or lspcidrak until you just mentioned them - here are the results: [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M266 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 04) 00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 01) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8751 [ProSavageDDR P4M266] VGA Controller [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ lspcidrak bash: lspcidrak: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ (Tried it as root as well, but still got command not found) I had another look in BIOS and can't find any other settings to play with that obviously relate to sound. There are some I'm not sure about though, because I don't fully understand what they are: Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot lspcidrake. I have a problem some time remember the commands name endings because I use tab too much. From what I remember lspci outputs the /proc/bus/pci/devices. It is shown two cards on your mother board; are you sure that you do not have two cards one on board and one in the pci slot? If you 200% sure that you have one sound card and have not install any new hardware in lets do #lspcidrake -v -f and post it. We are interesting in vendor and device number. I am guessing some other hardware reports it self as audio controller. Remember that she said she had two lots of holes for the jacks. Of course, one set could be for a modem. Anne I think I sorted that bit out, with help from Bryan - the second hole, when I studied it more carefully with a torch, turned out to be blue and not green! I'll have to get better lighting at floor level! Margot I know *that* feeling, too g I thought you had found two complete sets of holes. Were they just one set, but mounted in two rows? Anne hanging head in shame No, just one set - Green, Blue (that I thought was another green) and Pink. Maybe it looks tidier with everything plugged in at the back, but it would be a lot easier to use if they were all at the front! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 October 2003 05:15 pm, Margot wrote: snd-emu10k1 : Creative Labs|SB Live! (audio) [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1102 device:0002 subv:1102 subd:0020) emu10k1-gp : Creative Labs|SB Live! (joystick) [INPUT_OTHER] (vendor:1102 device:7002 subv:1102 subd:0020) that shows a driver snd-emu10k1 running. It possible that you compiled a sound driver in kernel. Unless you like to recompile a kernel, I would sugest to reinstall. However before you do it try to #lsmod it will give you a list of modules your system running. Check if you have snd-emu10kl in the list. If you do, then try to remove it by #rmmod snd-emu10k1 try to listen to some sound. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wednesday 01 October 2003 03:10 pm, Margot wrote: whack Under PCI Plug and Play Setup - Plug and Play Aware O/S - should this be Yes or No? Also, options to change all settings to Optimal or Best Performance - I opted not to on both these, because it didn't say what it was going to do! Margot Margot: AFAIK, the plug-n-play option should be NO. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 1:56 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 08:31 pm, yankl wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. My guess would be that that is not it. She isn't hearing sound from KDE, so more than likely artsd is not accessing the right device either. Yanki's tip may not be relevant to Margot, but it's one worth noting. It got rid of some intermittant annoyances with sound on my system. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
You might also look at your BIOS settings. I seem to remember that changing mine from P-n-P to non Plug-n-Play made a difference (or was it vice versa?). Max yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 09/29/2003 05:31:22 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?) On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 04:03 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 1:56 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 08:31 pm, yankl wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. My guess would be that that is not it. She isn't hearing sound from KDE, so more than likely artsd is not accessing the right device either. Yanki's tip may not be relevant to Margot, but it's one worth noting. It got rid of some intermittant annoyances with sound on my system. Anne Glad I could help. And again my name is YANKL NOT YANKI. :) -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Monday 29 September 2003 08:31 pm, yankl wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! Margot Margot, I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in Sound - Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel - Sytem Notification disable all sound notifications. My guess would be that that is not it. She isn't hearing sound from KDE, so more than likely artsd is not accessing the right device either. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
Margot wrote: Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! This depends on the mother board you have I have ECS K7S5A and it has the AC97 onboard sound. BUT, I'm useing a pci soundcard not the onboard so I cant tell you if it works or not,anyways here is some documentation that might help if you try again. MDK9.1 /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/HTML/en/K7s5a/K7s5a-HOWTO.html mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
