Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-20 Thread Marshall Iliff
gt; number of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if possible).
> Anyone with better ideas?
>
>  Best,
> Michael
>
> Michael O'Brien
> Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
> www.ventbird.com
>
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
>   Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last
> line of the NFC-L sig file.
>
> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>
> Best,
> Ted
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin Van
> Doren
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
> *To:* nfc-l
> *Subject:* [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
> (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
> Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
> Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.
>
>  Benjamin Van Doren
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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-19 Thread Kenneth Victor Rosenberg
Hi again,

In regard to the previous discussion about entering nfc observations into 
eBird, I'd like to emphasize that what I suggested represent my own opinions as 
a birder and do not necessarily represent the views of the eBird program. Sorry 
for any confusion on that.

I'm sure there will be more on this topic sometime soon!

KEN


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On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Kenneth Victor Rosenberg wrote:

Hi all,

There has been much discussion on this topic in the past, and although there 
has been interest in developing an NFC-specific protocol in eBird, I have not 
heard any specific progress on this. In the meantime, I enter my heard-only 
night flight calls just like I would enter any other birding checklist. NOTE 
that I do not use a recorder and am only referring to calls that I hear and 
(try to) identify from my yard or anywhere else. I record the effort (time) and 
enter as a regular stationary count. The time of day should flag these in the 
database if necessary. I enter my best estimate of number of individuals 
detected, just as I would during the day -- this is usually pretty easy to 
estimate except on very heavy calling nights (rare at my house). I say "yes" to 
"Are you submitting a complete checklist of the birds you were able to 
identify?" because that is a true statement -- I might put many calls into 
"warbler sp." even "passerine sp." but that's o.k. I DO put a comment that 
these are night flight calls identified by ear, but that is mostly for my own 
reference.

To me this is not any different from a diurnal hawkwatch or seawatch, where 
many individuals are obviously missed and many go unidentified -- or estimating 
the number of swallows passing overhead or calling Bobolinks coming over in 
morning flight, or almost any other kind of birding where we estimate numbers. 
The variation in people's birding habits and abilities is so great anyway, and 
to me it is far more important to record the what, where, and when in the eBird 
database, than to worry too much about protocols. The beauty of eBird is that 
there is so much data that the signals are very strong and these sorts of 
variations are usually swamped out. (I should also note that much of the 
analysis of eBird data so far has relied on frequency of occurrence 
(presence-absence), so recording an "X" is certainly better than not entering 
at all!)

Happy listening,

KEN


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On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Michael O'Brien wrote:

Ted et al,

In heavy flights, usually record an x for each species and indicate the number 
of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if possible). Anyone 
with better ideas?

Best,
Michael

Michael O'Brien
Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
www.ventbird.com<http://www.ventbird.com/>

On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd mailto:tfl...@aba.org>> 
wrote:

Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last line of 
the NFC-L sig file.

How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?

Best,
Ted





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Doren
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
To: nfc-l
Subject: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

Hi all,

Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this (probably 
averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some Chestnut-sided 
Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery, Swainson's Thrush, 
assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.

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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-17 Thread Andrew Albright
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Michael O'Brien  wrote:
> Ted et al,
> In heavy flights, usually record an x for each species and indicate the
> number of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if possible).
> Anyone with better ideas?

I don't think you should use an "X" because you lose information.
Your estimate of birds heard is going to provide Ebird-level
information that is really not unlike birding "on the ground" during
the day either by ear or visually.

EBird guidance on "X".
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/trouble_with_X

Also, there shouldn't be a need to differentiate night flight counts
from day birding if you correctly enter time.

Sincerely,
Andrew


> Best,
> Michael
> Michael O'Brien
> Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
> www.ventbird.com
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last line
> of the NFC-L sig file.
>
> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>
> Best,
> Ted
>
>
>
> 
> From: bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Benjamin Van
> Doren
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
> To: nfc-l
> Subject: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>
> Hi all,
> Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
> (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
> Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
> Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.
> Benjamin Van Doren
> White Plains, NY
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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-17 Thread Andy Martin
I too have heard that eBird folks are developing an NFC protocol of some
sort. In the mean time, last winter, I split my eBird sightings into 2
separate accounts; apmartin2 for my regular birding and apmartin2 NFC for
observations from my NFC recordings.

When I report species from NFC recordings I sometimes add numbers where I
can but always make sure to select "no" for "Are you submitting a *complete
checklist* of the birds you were able to identify?" Not sure how this phrase
applies to those of us that record NFCs? Yes, I am submitting a complete
checklist of birds I was able to identify but at same time there are so many
calls that I cannot id for sure. Figure safe bet is to check "no."

I also add to comment section "Species detected from nocturnal flight calls
or bird songs/calls recorded during night or dawn chorus."

Andy Martin
Gaithersburg, MD

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Benjamin Van Doren wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I usually do just that--record an 'x' and comment number of calls. Unless
> there is just one call, or multiple calls sufficiently spread out such that
> I feel I can accurately judge the number of individuals.
>
> I have heard that they are developing a protocol for entering night flight
> calls into eBird (Stationary, Traveling, etc., and then one for flight
> calls). But, I don't know what the time frame for that is.
>
> First Gray-cheeked Thrush of the fall a couple nights ago!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Michael O'Brien wrote:
>
>> Ted et al,
>>
>> In heavy flights, usually record an x for each species and indicate the
>> number of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if possible).
>> Anyone with better ideas?
>>
>> Best,
>> Michael
>>
>> Michael O'Brien
>> Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
>> www.ventbird.com
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>>
>>  Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last
>> line of the NFC-L sig file.
>>
>> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>>
>> Best,
>> Ted
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------
>> *From:* bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
>> bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin Van
>> Doren
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
>> *To:* nfc-l
>> *Subject:* [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
>> (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
>> Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
>> Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.
>>
>> Benjamin Van Doren
>> White Plains, NY
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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-17 Thread Andrew Albright
Ebird is seen or heard.

On 9/17/11, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last
> line of the NFC-L sig file.
>
> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>
> Best,
> Ted
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Benjamin
> Van Doren
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
> To: nfc-l
> Subject: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
> (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
> Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
> Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of
> listening.
>
> Benjamin Van Doren
> White Plains, NY
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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-17 Thread Benjamin Van Doren
Hi all,

I usually do just that--record an 'x' and comment number of calls. Unless
there is just one call, or multiple calls sufficiently spread out such that
I feel I can accurately judge the number of individuals.

I have heard that they are developing a protocol for entering night flight
calls into eBird (Stationary, Traveling, etc., and then one for flight
calls). But, I don't know what the time frame for that is.

First Gray-cheeked Thrush of the fall a couple nights ago!

Benjamin

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Michael O'Brien  wrote:

> Ted et al,
>
> In heavy flights, usually record an x for each species and indicate the
> number of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if possible).
> Anyone with better ideas?
>
> Best,
> Michael
>
> Michael O'Brien
> Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
> www.ventbird.com
>
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
>  Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the last
> line of the NFC-L sig file.
>
> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>
> Best,
> Ted
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin Van
> Doren
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
> *To:* nfc-l
> *Subject:* [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>
> Hi all,
>
> Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
> (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
> Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
> Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.
>
> Benjamin Van Doren
> White Plains, NY
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Re: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-17 Thread Michael O'Brien
Ted et al,

In heavy flights, usually record an x for each species and indicate  
the number of calls/minute in the comment field (for each species, if  
possible). Anyone with better ideas?

Best,
Michael

Michael O'Brien
Victor Emanuel Nature Tours
www.ventbird.com

On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Ted Floyd  wrote:

> Well! The most intriguing part of Benjamin's posting is surely the  
> last line of the NFC-L sig file.
>
> How DO you submit nocturnal flight call observations to eBird?
>
> Best,
> Ted
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>
>
> From: bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu  
> [mailto:bounce-38049280-9667...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of  
> Benjamin Van Doren
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 PM
> To: nfc-l
> Subject: [nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US
>
> Hi all,
>
> Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type  
> this (probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas,  
> some Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee,  
> Veery, Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes  
> of listening.
>
> Benjamin Van Doren
> White Plains, NY
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[nfc-l] Flight calling tonight in northeast US

2011-09-15 Thread Benjamin Van Doren
Hi all,

Fairly good numbers of flight calls audible from SE NY as I type this
(probably averaging a few per minute). Many Northern Parulas, some
Chestnut-sided Warblers, American Redstart, poss. Tennessee, Veery,
Swainson's Thrush, assorted "zeeps," etc., in several minutes of listening.

Benjamin Van Doren
White Plains, NY

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