Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for something that can 
be used to test whether or not a given password is valid for a given account, 
and you don't want to actually attempt to log in.  Forgive me if I am 
misinterpreting the situation, but it sounds rather like you are planning a 
brute-force attempt at cracking the system, and are trying to avoid the system 
logs.  If you are, indeed, authorized to do this, make sure you have 
authorization in writing.  Otherwise, you are risking a felony conviction and 
prison time.

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think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

-Original Message-
From: Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:36 
To: NLUGnlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

We have a large number of users on a SuSE Linux server without shell
access.  I'm looking for a way to test whether a plaintext password is
valid or not.  I thought I could use login and do something based on
the way it fails (bad password vs. no login shell) but that's not
working for me.

Does anyone know of something command line based that will give me
thumbs up/thumbs down for a given user/password combination?

Thanks!

Curt

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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread Curt Lundgren
Thanks, John - but what I'm trying to do is determine whether the user has
entered the right password - and since they don't have shells, I need
something that doesn't attempt an actual login.

As to the written authorization, being root on the system, I'd have to
authorize myself (in writing, presumably).

No shady underhanded stuff going on - it's part of what will be a password
change page.

Curt

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote:

 If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for something that
 can be used to test whether or not a given password is valid for a given
 account, and you don't want to actually attempt to log in.  Forgive me if I
 am misinterpreting the situation, but it sounds rather like you are planning
 a brute-force attempt at cracking the system, and are trying to avoid the
 system logs.  If you are, indeed, authorized to do this, make sure you have
 authorization in writing.  Otherwise, you are risking a felony conviction
 and prison time.

 --
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 Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not
 to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

 -Original Message-
 From: Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:36
 To: NLUGnlug-talk@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

 We have a large number of users on a SuSE Linux server without shell
 access.  I'm looking for a way to test whether a plaintext password is
 valid or not.  I thought I could use login and do something based on
 the way it fails (bad password vs. no login shell) but that's not
 working for me.

 Does anyone know of something command line based that will give me
 thumbs up/thumbs down for a given user/password combination?

 Thanks!

 Curt

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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
The only way that I know is to calculate the password hash, using the same 
algorithm as the login program, and check whether the resulting hash matches 
what is in /etc/shadow (on newer systems) or /etc/passwd (on older systems).

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-Original Message-
From: Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:44:00 
To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

Thanks, John - but what I'm trying to do is determine whether the user has
entered the right password - and since they don't have shells, I need
something that doesn't attempt an actual login.

As to the written authorization, being root on the system, I'd have to
authorize myself (in writing, presumably).

No shady underhanded stuff going on - it's part of what will be a password
change page.

Curt

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote:

 If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for something that
 can be used to test whether or not a given password is valid for a given
 account, and you don't want to actually attempt to log in.  Forgive me if I
 am misinterpreting the situation, but it sounds rather like you are planning
 a brute-force attempt at cracking the system, and are trying to avoid the
 system logs.  If you are, indeed, authorized to do this, make sure you have
 authorization in writing.  Otherwise, you are risking a felony conviction
 and prison time.

 --
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 Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not
 to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

 -Original Message-
 From: Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:36
 To: NLUGnlug-talk@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

 We have a large number of users on a SuSE Linux server without shell
 access.  I'm looking for a way to test whether a plaintext password is
 valid or not.  I thought I could use login and do something based on
 the way it fails (bad password vs. no login shell) but that's not
 working for me.

 Does anyone know of something command line based that will give me
 thumbs up/thumbs down for a given user/password combination?

 Thanks!

 Curt

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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:57:18PM -0600, Curt Lundgren wrote:
 Right, and that seems to be the direction I'll head in.  User password
 authentication on this particular system is via LDAP and I'm learning enough
 about it that I can probably take that route.  I was hoping for an already
 built command line program I could just wrap in a Perl script.

Check out Authen::PAM; it should do everything you need and then
some.  perldoc Authen::PAM::FAQ contains some interesting
information.




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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread Curt Lundgren
Really, I'd rather not be involved in a flamefest - John's original reply
was not uncalled for.  I could have been more complete in my first message -
so blame me if you like.

I'm not sure if PAM is going to work, since the only way these users are
known to the system is via LDAP (I've never mixed the two) where as real
accounts like root are done with password/shadow.

Curt

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Michael Chaney
mdcha...@michaelchaney.comwrote:

 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
 wrote:
  If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for something
 that can be used to test whether or not a given password is valid for a
 given account, and you don't want to actually attempt to log in.  Forgive me
 if I am misinterpreting the situation, but it sounds rather like you are
 planning a brute-force attempt at cracking the system, and are trying to
 avoid the system logs.  If you are, indeed, authorized to do this, make sure
 you have authorization in writing.  Otherwise, you are risking a felony
 conviction and prison time.

 John, may I suggest decaf for a week?

 To the original poster, you can use PAM.  It's pretty easy with Perl
 or even C, whatever you're familiar with.

 Michael
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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com wrote:
 John, may I suggest decaf for a week?

Not beating the dead horse, but it I'm sure this comes from the presentation 
Randal Schwartz gave some time back about his encounter at Intel over a 
security audit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_L._Schwartz

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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
Yes, that is the case I was thinking of.

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-Original Message-
From: Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:32:05 
To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

- Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com wrote:
 John, may I suggest decaf for a week?

Not beating the dead horse, but it I'm sure this comes from the presentation 
Randal Schwartz gave some time back about his encounter at Intel over a 
security audit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_L._Schwartz

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Re: [nlug] Testing Linux user authentication with no shell

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Chaney
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Steven S. Critchfield
cri...@basesys.com wrote:
 - Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com wrote:
 John, may I suggest decaf for a week?

 Not beating the dead horse, but it I'm sure this comes from the presentation 
 Randal Schwartz gave some time back about his encounter at Intel over a 
 security audit.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_L._Schwartz

It was pretty clear to me from the first line of the email that they
have some reason to authenticate the users after they're logged in.
Randal Schwartz was doing nothing of the sort (although I don't
question his intentions or integrity).

Michael
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[nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Boniol
MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of each
month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

This is the space we met in a few years ago.  Tables that go the width of
the room with wired connections in table, seats 110.

Paul Boniol

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Re: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread Curt Lundgren
Woo hoo - awesome!!!

(By the way, since I was not a member a few years ago, would you be so kind
as to share the address with us?)

Curt

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Paul Boniol paul.bon...@gmail.com wrote:

 MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of
 each month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

 This is the space we met in a few years ago.  Tables that go the width of
 the room with wired connections in table, seats 110.

 Paul Boniol

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Re: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Boniol
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com wrote:

 Woo hoo - awesome!!!

 (By the way, since I was not a member a few years ago, would you be so kind
 as to share the address with us?)

 Curt

 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Paul Boniol paul.bon...@gmail.com wrote:

 MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of
 each month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

 This is the space we met in a few years ago.  Tables that go the width of
 the room with wired connections in table, seats 110.

 Paul Boniol



Addresses and figuring out how to find your way around Vanderbilt campus
don't mix well...

 It is across 21st from the University School, between Medical Center North
and Godchaux hall.

For a map, select MRB III BIO/SCI in the Select a Building dropdown from
this link:
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/map/

Paul

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RE: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread William Turner
This response was funnier than mine...

Bill

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[mailto:nlug-talk+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Barber
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Paul Boniol wrote:

 MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of
each month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

Nice to know that it has been reserved for our use in the past.

Got anything for the coming year?

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Re: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Boniol
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ken Barber ken.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Paul Boniol wrote:

  MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of
 each month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

 Nice to know that it has been reserved for our use in the past.

 Got anything for the coming year?



Sorry, yes, Jan 2010 - July 2010.

Paul

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Re: [nlug] map to tomorrow night's meeting place

2009-12-07 Thread Chris McQuistion
According to all I've heard, we are NOT having a regular Tuesday meeting
this month.

We are having a Linux Fest at Watkins this Saturday from 10 to 4, but no
regular meeting this month.  (This has been posted to the NLUG site.)

There is some conflicting information on the mailing list, concerning where
we will be having our regular meeting, starting in January.

Perhaps the NLUG officers will chime in and set things straight.

Chris


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Re: [nlug] map to tomorrow night's meeting place

2009-12-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
I am an NLUG officer (the secretary), but I apparently mistook the proposal of 
St. Edward's School as a meeting place for an announcement that this month's 
meeting would be at St. Edward's.  I apologize to everyone for the mixup.

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-Original Message-
From: Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:15:50 
To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [nlug] map to tomorrow night's meeting place

According to all I've heard, we are NOT having a regular Tuesday meeting
this month.

We are having a Linux Fest at Watkins this Saturday from 10 to 4, but no
regular meeting this month.  (This has been posted to the NLUG site.)

There is some conflicting information on the mailing list, concerning where
we will be having our regular meeting, starting in January.

Perhaps the NLUG officers will chime in and set things straight.

Chris


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[nlug] NLUG Meeting December 8 changed to informal meeting at Pizza Perfect and InstallFest Information

2009-12-07 Thread Kevin Eldridge
Hello Nashville Linux User's Group,

Tomorrow on Tuesday, December 8th, 2009 we are not going to have our normal
meeting at the Biostatistics department (Room D2221) at 6:00pm. This is due
to the meeting space for our InstallFest being unavailable for December
19th. It is available on Saturday, December 12th and this is when we shall
have our InstallFest. If someone wants to present on a topic at that
location, we have a room available. Please reply to this message and let us
know that you would like to speak and we will try to accommodate any
requests for equipment.

Russ is going to be at the regular meeting location to inform anyone that
missed this message. Tthe meeting space will be discussed at the
InstallFest. We all know and love the MRB III location, thank you Paul B.
for securing it for us. Russ Crawford also located a spot at St. Edward's
School. The problem arises that the MRB III location is granted by the
Vanderbilt campus and the St. Edward's campus is $30 per month. We now have
both of these meeting spaces scheduled for January and we need to decide.
The Biostatistics department has been a gracious host for these past two
years and overall Vanderbilt for even longer. Although, getting someone to
unlock the room door is a bit of a trying ordeal at times. This is the only
problem I see with using the current and MRB III location.

Tomorrow night, I am going to be at Pizza Perfect (
http://www.pizzaperfectonline.com/) at 7:00pm and anyone that wants to join
me, is more than welcome to join me. If you are unable to make the meeting
tomorrow night at 7pm or Saturday, simply chime in your vote for the meeting
location. St. Edward's School or Vanderbilt's Medical Research Building III.

Kurt Lundgren provided a flier in a previous message tonight. Please use
this if you want to advertise the InstallFest at Businesses or venues.
Please seek approval from the Management before posting anything at a
location.

Directions to the meeting location:
http://nlug.wikispot.org/Directions

Pizza Perfect:
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3721451196Ne

Kevin Eldridge
Nashville Linux User's Group
President
http://www.nlug.org

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[nlug] Re: Confirmation of Room Scheduling

2009-12-07 Thread Matt Latsha
I've been to it once for a meeting way back in 2007.  The best way to
describe its location is to go up the steps just across from the
University School of Nashville, but instead of turning around to go
across the bridge, go straight and then left.

Here's a pic of the stairs I mean
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2cp=q0qp367rzzkqscene=14396179lvl=2sty=bwhere1=Vanderbilt%20University%2C%20TN

Go in between those two buildings, and when you reach this darkened
courtyard, hand a left
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2cp=q0qrb97rzy05scene=14396179lvl=2sty=bwhere1=Vanderbilt%20University%2C%20TN

You'll see a big set of doorways, go in, and MRB-III will be on the
right.

On Dec 7, 8:53 pm, William Turner b...@uponthebox.com wrote:
 Did you mean 2010?

 From: nlug-talk+ow...@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:nlug-talk+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boniol
 Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:09 PM
 To: NLUG
 Subject: [nlug] Confirmation of Room Scheduling

 MRB-III, room 1220 has been confirmed for our use on the 2nd Tuesday of each
 month, 6 pm to 7:55 pm, from January 12, 2009 through July 13, 2009.

 This is the space we met in a few years ago.  Tables that go the width of
 the room with wired connections in table, seats 110.

 Paul Boniol

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