Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: So for this bounced email, was the email sent to localhost or your ISP? My ISP. Then to me that sounds like your ISP's problem. You could look at the headers of your bounce message and see which host it's complaining about. Well, maybe you could 'look at the headers... and see which host..,', but I can't. So I'm forwarding a typical bounce, in the hope that you'll do it. Norman Shapiro 798 Barron Avenue Palo Alto CA 94306-3109 (650) 565-8215 n...@dad.org --- Forwarded Message Expire: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:00:00 Return-Path: mailer-dae...@rawbw.com Delivery-Date: Wed May 23 05:50:51 2012 Return-Path: mailer-dae...@rawbw.com Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4NCopIH027630 for norm@localhost; Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:51 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.rawbw.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Received: from imap.rawbw.com [198.144.192.43] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-6.2.5) for norm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.adzone.com (ns2.adzone.com [96.247.50.174]) by mail1.rawbw.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4NCobcT057861 for s...@rawbw.com; Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jad.dad.org ([198.144.207.170]) by ns2.adzone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4NCc9hw021046 for n...@dad.org; Wed, 23 May 2012 05:38:09 -0700 Received: by jad.dad.org (Postfix) id E26631240CF; Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mailer-dae...@jad.dad.org (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: n...@dad.org Auto-Submitted: auto-replied MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=B96EE1240A6.133436/jad.dad.org Message-Id: 20120523125036.e2663124...@jad.dad.org This is a MIME-encapsulated message. - --B96EE1240A6.133436/jad.dad.org Content-Description: Notification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is the mail system at host jad.dad.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system mar...@eipye.com: host mail.eipye.com[64.14.74.17] said: 421 Refused. You have no reverse DNS entry. Contact ab...@suresupport.com for details. (in reply to RCPT TO command) - --B96EE1240A6.133436/jad.dad.org Content-Description: Delivery report Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; jad.dad.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: B96EE1240A6 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; n...@dad.org Arrival-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 05:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; mar...@eipye.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;mar...@eipye.com Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.eipye.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 421 Refused. You have no reverse DNS entry. Contact ab...@suresupport.com for details. - --B96EE1240A6.133436/jad.dad.org Content-Description: Undelivered Message Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: n...@dad.org Received: from jad.dad.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jad.dad.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96EE1240A6; Fri, 18 May 2012 05:34:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Martin Davis mar...@eipye.com cc: n...@dad.org Reply-To: Norman Shapiro n...@dad.org From: n...@dad.org Subject: Email from jad Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 05:34:45 -0700 Message-Id: 20120518123445.b96ee124...@jad.dad.org Did you get this Email? Norman Shapiro 798 Barron Avenue Palo Alto CA 94306-3109 (650) 565-8215 n...@dad.org - --B96EE1240A6.133436/jad.dad.org-- --- End of Forwarded Message ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Norm wrote: Well, maybe you could 'look at the headers... and see which host..,', but I can't. So I'm forwarding a typical bounce, in the hope that you'll do it. --- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mailer-dae...@jad.dad.org (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: n...@dad.org Message-Id: 20120523125036.e2663124...@jad.dad.org This is the mail system at host jad.dad.org. That bounce is from jad.dad.org. It looks like you sent to your local machine instead of your ISP (smtp.tsoft.com?). David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] A € for your thoughts - should we fix UTF-8 subject output in scan for 1.5?
On Wed, 23 May 2012 21:46:21 +0100, Tethys said: Yes, but I'm also lying. It turns out that what I was seeing was a bug in xterm and show does display the message correctly in a terminal. However, exmh doesn't :-( What release of exmh and nmh are you on, and what font are you using for the scan pane? exmh currently doesn't do very well if you have a utf-8 text but select a non utf-8 font. Known problem, we're not sure how best to solve it though. pgp06PuowKqRz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Hi David, Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mailer-dae...@jad.dad.org (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: n...@dad.org Message-Id: 20120523125036.e2663124...@jad.dad.org This is the mail system at host jad.dad.org. That bounce is from jad.dad.org. It looks like you sent to your local machine instead of your ISP (smtp.tsoft.com?). Is his local SMTP server on jad not involved with passing it onto his ISP's smarthost then? I read it as the other party, mail.eipye.com, rejected it when jad tried to hand it over so the bounce email is from jad but it talked directly to the peer. Norm, it should probably be talking to your ISP's smarthost and then they talk to eipye on your behalf. The IP address jad appears to have as far as mail.eipye.com is concerned doesn't have a reverse DNS entry to map it back to a domain name, e.g. jad.dad.org. Even after adding one I'd still recommend using your ISP's smarthost as your IP address may be on spam blacklists from an earlier time or just because it's from the ISP's client pool. From jad you could do wget -qO- http://donk.c4l.co.uk/ip to show its IP address. Cheers, Ralph. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Ralph wrote: Is his local SMTP server on jad not involved with passing it onto his ISP's smarthost then? I don't think so, based on my possibly faded recollection of the earlier discussion. I read it as the other party, mail.eipye.com, rejected it when jad tried to hand it over so the bounce email is from jad but it talked directly to the peer. Norm, it should probably be talking to your ISP's smarthost and then they talk to eipye on your behalf. I think that Norm had configured nmh to send directly to his ISP's smtp server. For local mail, he overrides with send -server localhost or something equivalent. If that's right, my guess is that the override has run amok. David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
On Wed, 23 May 2012 10:50:11 -0700, n...@dad.org said: After I sent the attached Email, last February, Ken Hornstein solved the dilemma it posed by telling me about the -server localhost option to send. Until a few weeks ago, everything was fine. Then I started getting the same: Received: from jad.dad.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jad.dad.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816DB1230E2; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:29:58 -0800 (PST) Somebody's talking to the local MTA rather than the ISP smarthost... Then when jad.dad.org tries to hand it off to mail.eipye.com, that host whines because jad's IP address doesn't have a PTR entry. pgphK0sRD40CG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: Well, maybe you could 'look at the headers... and see which host..,', but I can't. So I'm forwarding a typical bounce, in the hope that you'll do it. As others have mentioned ... you're submitting your email to the localhost MTA, instead of your ISP smarthost. I didn't remember the details of your original problem, so I looked it up here: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/nmh-workers/2012-02/msg00198.html The conclusion of that thread was that you would send norm email to the localhost MTA (via -server localhost) and everything else would go to your ISP smarthost. That's what I do now. I only use 'send -server localhost', for messages addressed to plain 'norm' and nobody else. If I inadvertently attempt to use plain 'send' to send a message addressed to plain 'norm', I get an error message. All this had worked well, from February, sending many messages to mar...@eipye.com, with no bounces. Then, a few weeks ago, those message started bouncing. As far as I know, I've made no changes to my nmh environment, on the relevant computer, (which is not the computer from which this Email will come) since February. Norman Shapiro 798 Barron Avenue Palo Alto CA 94306-3109 (650) 565-8215 n...@dad.org ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Help!
Hi Ken, That's what I do now. I only use 'send -server localhost', for messages addressed to plain 'norm' and nobody else. If I inadvertently attempt to use plain 'send' to send a message addressed to plain 'norm', I get an error message. All this had worked well, from February, sending many messages to mar...@eipye.com, with no bounces. Then, a few weeks ago, those message started bouncing. As far as I know, I've made no changes to my nmh environment, on the relevant computer, (which is not the computer from which this Email will come) since February. I think you need to investigate (with the -snoop switch, most likely) as to what's really going on. The bounce email you get is clearly from your local machine. I wonder if his ISP has dished out a new IP address, e.g. after a power outage, and it's one that doesn't have a DNS PTR entry. Norm would be right, he has changed nothing, but his appearance on the Internet has changed. Cheers, Ralph. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
