RE: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:02:59 -0500, Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:32:27 +0200, Arian Kuschki arian.kusc...@googlemail.com wrote: So one could query with sysconf and break things up into multiple commands as needed. Doesn't xargs do exactly this? Almost. The arguments being passed to the notmuch tag command in this case look like: notmuch tag -inbox thread:foo or thread:bar or ... To break that up, we'd have to be careful to neither leave a trailing 'or' at the end of a command line nor to have an 'or' at the beginning of a command line. Perhaps this hints at an opportunity to create a new operator, that you can pass as part of the notmuch commandline. Something like: cat idlist.txt | xargs notmuch tag -inbox tag:inbox and oneof: Then the list of arguments can break anywhere it wants. It's not as general as having notmuch take search terms from stdin or a file, but it seems like a long list of ID's is going to be a common case. Another problem with passing options to xarg is that any parentheses are going to break easily. Actually, looking at this random proposal, you can see the invented operator has an implicit grouping semantic, which leads to all kinds of confusion. -Mark ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
RE: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:32:27 +0200, Arian Kuschki arian.kusc...@googlemail.com wrote: So one could query with sysconf and break things up into multiple commands as needed. Doesn't xargs do exactly this? Almost. The arguments being passed to the notmuch tag command in this case look like: notmuch tag -inbox thread:foo or thread:bar or ... To break that up, we'd have to be careful to neither leave a trailing 'or' at the end of a command line nor to have an 'or' at the beginning of a command line. -Carl pgpxk1MhQd1AX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:43:19 -0700, Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org wrote: In fact, until we have some sort of daemon that we can feed arbitrarily-long lists to, that's what we should do. Thinking about loud... What if the sub-commands which accept potentially long argument lists (most of them?) sprouted a '--stdin' option, which caused them to read the (remaining) argument list from stdin rather than looking at argv? It seems that this would be simpler change than full daemon support. So: notmuch show id:f...@bar.baz could become: echo id:f...@bar.baz | notmuch show --stdin dme. -- David Edmondson, http://dme.org ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:46:56 -0700, Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org wrote: On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:04:38 -0400, Jesse Rosenthal jrosent...@jhu.edu wrote: the region command only executes one notmuch tag command over id:X or id:Y or id:Z or ...this operation is all set up to run into argument list too long errors. I've never run into this error. Is there a specific length that triggers it? If so, we could chunk the tagging command. Or does the max length depend on the machine and system? ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:59:01 -0700, Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org wrote: We could fix all[*] the bugs of * by changing it to simply call the new region-based tagging function. The only concern I have with that is that it might be significantly slower, (it will execute N notmuch tag commands to tag the N threads in the current buffer, rather than just one notmuch tag command with the same search). Not quite true: the region command only executes one notmuch tag command over id:X or id:Y or id:Z or It does have to iterate over the messages to get the ids, and again to set the tags (i.e., write them in the buffer), but that's all in the buffer -- there's only one xapian command. And anything that updates the buffer in real time would have to iterate through the messages to rewrite the tag representation, so I'm not sure if there's that much being lost here. That being said, there might be a bit of redundancy (one save-excursion trip through the buffer to get the tags for completion, another to get the ids, and one more to rewrite the parenthetical tag representation). But I'm not quite sure how to avoid that, or how expensive it actually is. Best, Jesse ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:04:38 -0400, Jesse Rosenthal jrosent...@jhu.edu wrote: Not quite true: the region command only executes one notmuch tag command over id:X or id:Y or id:Z or Sorry -- I meant, of course: over thread:X or thread:Y or thread:Z or ... ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:56:48 +0200, Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:51:01 -0600, Mark Anderson markr.ander...@amd.com wrote: I think that '*' is definitely an awesome command, but I wonder if we shouldn't have another command for the notmuch-search buffer which means 'tag all the threads that I can see in this buffer'. This is exactly what my initial post asked for. '*' is not totally satisfying for me due to the limitations you exposed. Though It is a good and acceptable workaround for me. As said, I just have to pay attention to redo my search query before pressing the '*' key. The other bug with * is that it doesn't give any visual feedback, (the tag addition/deletion doesn't show up). We could fix all[*] the bugs of * by changing it to simply call the new region-based tagging function. The only concern I have with that is that it might be significantly slower, (it will execute N notmuch tag commands to tag the N threads in the current buffer, rather than just one notmuch tag command with the same search). But the command-line based notmuch tag +/-tag search will always still be available for true bulk tagging, so maybe having * in emacs be implemented the slower way would be fine. I think the biggest concern I have with the performance is that if it *is* too slow, then the user might interrupt it with emacs, and with the current implementation that would lead to inconsistent display. That's not specific to * though---that's a bug with the current region-based implementation---it's just that * might make it much easier to hit. -Carl [*] Most all the bugs, at least. Even just a simple 'a' (or '+' or '-') on a single thread is already doing something subtly different than it should. It's tagging all messages in the thread, but that might be more messages than existed when the thread-summary was created. So you might see: [1/1] A. Bozo Boring topic... and decide to archive the thread, and never realize that what you archived away was several messages that would have been displayed as: [3/3] A Bozo, B Wizard, C WizardBoring topic... [**] if you had only refreshed first. So we really should fix that bug and only manipulate messages that were actually present when the search was performed. Note that 'a' inside of the show view does not have this bug---it does only affect messages displayed. I'm not currently afflicted by this bug only because I'm running notmuch new manually, before mail-reading sessions as opposed to inside a cron-job or similar. [**] This is similar to the thread pattern idea described by Joey Hess here: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/thread_patterns/ Our current one-line presentation of threads does a really lousy job of letting the user see thread patterns like this. We should perhaps come up with something better. One something better I have in mind would be the ability to write searches that could identify and tag threads according to these patterns. Our current search syntax isn't powerful enough to express these kinds of relations about messages within threads, but I would be very interested in coming up with something that does. The parts that Xapian can't easily support here probably wouldn't have to be fast either---they could operate on the results of threads, which are generally small. At least, I hope nobody has threads with hundreds of thousands of messages in them. pgpneUsDryEIx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:56:48 -0500, Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:51:01 -0600, Mark Anderson markr.ander...@amd.com wrote: I think that '*' is definitely an awesome command, but I wonder if we shouldn't have another command for the notmuch-search buffer which means 'tag all the threads that I can see in this buffer'. This is exactly what my initial post asked for. '*' is not totally satisfying for me due to the limitations you exposed. Though It is a good and acceptable workaround for me. As said, I just have to pay attention to redo my search query before pressing the '*' key. Another problem I have is that I often _don't_ want to refresh my search. Some of my mail processing, while not visible in the search window, since we don't have a way to refresh tags yet, will remove some of the current search results from matching the search query. For example, I like to have notmuch folder definitions with tag:unread in them. For those search views, once I've looked at any of the mails, they no longer match the query. Sometimes I want to refresh the search so that those mails are no longer visible, sometimed I want to apply an action on all the visible messages which I've just processed. When I visit a folder view, what intent do I have? Am I returning to a 'moment-ago' processing view that was interrupted? Or am I wanting to do the search again on the current contents of the database? I could easily see mental models that match either way. I think I read that Carl plans to update the tags in a search view at some point, without removing threads automatically. Perhaps there ought to be a way to colorize threads which are displayed but no longer match the search criterion? -Mark ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
Hi, On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:51:01 -0600, Mark Anderson markr.ander...@amd.com wrote: I think that '*' is definitely an awesome command, but I wonder if we shouldn't have another command for the notmuch-search buffer which means 'tag all the threads that I can see in this buffer'. This is exactly what my initial post asked for. '*' is not totally satisfying for me due to the limitations you exposed. Though It is a good and acceptable workaround for me. As said, I just have to pay attention to redo my search query before pressing the '*' key. Xavier ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 01:15:39 -0500, Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 07:38:03 -0400, Jesse Rosenthal jrosent...@jhu.edu wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 06:37:53 +0200, Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Is there an easy way to mark a whole bunch of message (restricted in a region, result of a search, ...) ? In addition to the * command that was mentioned, there is a patch I wrote to tag messages in search view by region in emacs. You can find it Sounds interesting. * is good when your search criteria is perfect but you proposed patch is a good companion for all the rest. Sadly, git is not really something I know wll enough to play with all this stuff :( Xavier Also, you will want to be careful with '*' in emacs. It runs notmuch tag +tag search terms from buffer, but the notmuch-search buffer can be woefully out of date. I like to go through and add tags, archive, etc, lots of email. Then I 'q' back to the search buffer, and I may realize that I want to tag everything I can see. '*' isn't really that command, it applies a tag to the results of a search that you are looking at. But it will use a fresh version of the search, not the version in the buffer, which could be minutes, hours, days or weeks old, depending on your Emacs buffer management habits (or lack of them). I think that '*' is definitely an awesome command, but I wonder if we shouldn't have another command for the notmuch-search buffer which means 'tag all the threads that I can see in this buffer'. If you have a crontab running 'notmuch new', you could end up tagging a lot of things you would rather have a chance to review first. I often use '*' to tag:deleted a large number of mails once I have a query I like, so deleting things sight unseen is an unpleasant thought. I know that there is an emacs-region patch, which could probably be extended to implement the behavior I'm talking about, but I have a hard enough time adding keys to the keymaps, and alas, the time thing... Maybe someone else will decide it's important enough to do, or has already done it. Enjoy, -Mark ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 07:38:03 -0400, Jesse Rosenthal jrosent...@jhu.edu wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 06:37:53 +0200, Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Is there an easy way to mark a whole bunch of message (restricted in a region, result of a search, ...) ? In addition to the * command that was mentioned, there is a patch I wrote to tag messages in search view by region in emacs. You can find it Sounds interesting. * is good when your search criteria is perfect but you proposed patch is a good companion for all the rest. Sadly, git is not really something I know wll enough to play with all this stuff :( Xavier ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Sadly, git is not really something I know wll enough to play with all this stuff :( http://progit.org/book/ ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Is there an easy way to mark a whole bunch of message (restricted in a region, result of a search, ...) ? notmuch tag +tag|-tag [...] [--] search-terms [...] does this from the shell. If you want to do it from one of the user interfaces, it depends on which one you're using. ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
Re: [notmuch] Bulk message tagging
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 14:56:07 +1000, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: Xavier Maillard x...@gnu.org wrote: Is there an easy way to mark a whole bunch of message (restricted in a region, result of a search, ...) ? notmuch tag +tag|-tag [...] [--] search-terms [...] does this from the shell. If you want to do it from one of the user interfaces, it depends on which one you're using. You are right I forgot to mention I am using the GNU Emacs interface exclusively. Xavier ___ notmuch mailing list notmuch@notmuchmail.org http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch
