Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS (follow-up)
Hello, again, ilia. I already followed that same suggestion, that someone, in that forum that I linked to, made (http://trisquel.info/en/forum/nouveau-mi-eq-overflowing#comment-43713) and tried all sorts of different kernels - including the 3.11.3-gnu one - with no results. The best thing that I could get was the boot splash screen with kernel 3.4.64-gnu1, and then a black screen. Different kernels didn't solve the problem, and the message that appeared in the Xorg log, with the best trial that I mentioned, was still the same that I initially reported in that forum. I, unfortunately, ended up having to revert to the proprietary drivers, and lost my patience to try anything else... I managed to find a version of a distro where I can get the card to work, with no problems - so I'll stick to that, for the time being. I may try this free driver again, in the future. But, for now, I have an urgency in having this computer functional. Thank you very much, all of you, for your help and your efforts, and good luck with your project. ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS (follow-up)
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Fernando Negro wrote: > The thing is, that, although I thought I had already run nouveau in it, I > was, after all, only running a generic vesa driver, every time before I > installed the proprietary drivers... And, I suppose that the wrong idea I > had, of having been able to run nouveau already, was either: due to error > messages that appeared, before I added the "nomodeset" parameter in the > kernel line (that I didn't know that made it impossible for nouveau to > load); or due to having used a previous NVIDIA card that, maybe, could > already run nouveau, before it started malfunctioning... > > Anyway, I decided to finally seriously try running the nouveau driver in it. > But, after many failed attempts, I was, unfortunately, not able to... And, I > suspect the main cause for it to be the particular brand of my card, that > doesn't seem to be very good. (Since that, I know of other people that have > the same NVIDIA chip, and that are able to run nouveau on their cards...) > > The report of my experience, for anyone interested in it, can be read here: > http://trisquel.info/en/forum/nouveau-mi-eq-overflowing > > > Thank you very much, all of you, for your help. The logs in the post show that you're using a 3.2.0 kernel, which is several years old. Might I recommend trying something a bit more recent? Like 3.11. -ilia ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
[Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS (follow-up)
Hello again, everyone. I'm the same "Fernando Negro" that sent a message entitled "GeForce 8400 GS", three days ago. ( http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2013-October/014660.html) I'm sorry for having to open a new topic, in here... But, due to all the experiments with installing new distros and drivers on my computer, I ended up loosing access to the e-mail account that I used to send the previous message. And, so, I'm writing again, with a new e-mail address... Responding to everyone that responded to my message... (Ilia, Emil, and poma...) My particular card is a PCI Express "Gainward" GeForce 8400 GS, 512MB DDR3, passively cooled (with only a heat sink). And, not the ASUS card, with the same NVIDIA chip. I have no fan in my card. And, since I already took a fan from inside my computer, because of the noise it made, I'm most worried about having a component inside of it that may overheat it, overall. (Especially, since I leave in a country where it's pretty hot in the Summer...) I was not aware that thermal management was already available in nouveau. So, I guess that could solve the possible problem that I foresee - since that, I don't "exercise" (and consequently heat) my card a lot... The thing is, that, although I thought I had already run nouveau in it, I was, after all, only running a generic vesa driver, every time before I installed the proprietary drivers... And, I suppose that the wrong idea I had, of having been able to run nouveau already, was either: due to error messages that appeared, before I added the "nomodeset" parameter in the kernel line (that I didn't know that made it impossible for nouveau to load); or due to having used a previous NVIDIA card that, maybe, could already run nouveau, before it started malfunctioning... Anyway, I decided to finally seriously try running the nouveau driver in it. But, after many failed attempts, I was, unfortunately, not able to... And, I suspect the main cause for it to be the particular brand of my card, that doesn't seem to be very good. (Since that, I know of other people that have the same NVIDIA chip, and that are able to run nouveau on their cards...) The report of my experience, for anyone interested in it, can be read here: http://trisquel.info/en/forum/nouveau-mi-eq-overflowing Thank you very much, all of you, for your help. ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS
On 10/03/2013 12:45 PM, Fernando Negro wrote: Hi everyone. I read on a 2011 article - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 - that my particular card, GeForce 8400 GS, overheats with nouveau. (So, I never tried using if for long, before, as soon as possible, installing the proprietary drivers...) But, because it's a 2-year-old article, I was wondering if that problem could have been, in the meantime, solved?... (Can anyone tell me if that is so, or not - or indicate me a place where I can know that?) That situation likely hasn't changed as far as I know. But I think that article was overreacting. 80 degrees C on an NVIDIA GPU really should not be dangerous. There are GPUs that can normally hit over 100 degrees even with active cooling. Passively cooled GPUs like that will normally run pretty warm. ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS
On 03.10.2013 20:45, Fernando Negro wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I read on a 2011 article - > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 - > that my particular card, GeForce 8400 GS, overheats with nouveau. (So, I > never tried using if for long, before, as soon as possible, installing the > proprietary drivers...) But, because it's a 2-year-old article, I was > wondering if that problem could have been, in the meantime, solved?... (Can > anyone tell me if that is so, or not - or indicate me a place where I can > know that?) > http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/EN8400GS_SILENTHTP512M $ modinfo -F filename nouveau /lib/modules/3.11.2-201.fc19.x86_64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko $ sensors nouveau-pci-0200 nouveau-pci-0200 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1:+61.0°C (high = +95.0°C, hyst = +3.0°C) (crit = +122.0°C, hyst = +2.0°C) (emerg = +135.0°C, hyst = +5.0°C) # nvclock -i Xlib: extension "NV-CONTROL" missing on display ":0.0". -- General info -- Card: nVidia Geforce 8400GS Architecture: G98 A2 PCI id: 0x6e4 GPU clock: 612.000 MHz Bustype:PCI-Express -- Shader info -- Clock: 1512.000 MHz Stream units: 16 (1b) ROP units: 4 (1b) -- Memory info -- Amount: 512 MB Type: 128 bit DDR2 Clock: 399.600 MHz -- PCI-Express info -- Current Rate: 16X Maximum rate: 16X -- Sensor info -- Sensor: GPU Internal Sensor GPU temperature: 61C -- VideoBios information -- Version: 62.98.2c.00.00 Signon message: ASUS EN8400GS VGA BIOS Ver 62.98.2C.00.AS07 Performance level 0: gpu 567MHz/shader 1400MHz/memory 400MHz/100% poma ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS
On 03/10/13 19:45, Fernando Negro wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I read on a 2011 article - > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 - > that my particular card, GeForce 8400 GS, overheats with nouveau. (So, I > never tried using if for long, before, as soon as possible, installing the > proprietary drivers...) But, because it's a 2-year-old article, I was > wondering if that problem could have been, in the meantime, solved?... (Can > anyone tell me if that is so, or not - or indicate me a place where I can > know that?) > > Thank you, all, in advance. > Hi Fernando, The idea of overheating is quite subjective and heavily depends on how sane the OEM was. But to put a long story short 1. Nouveau does not change the clock frequencies and voltage (among a few others) which may cause higher than desired temperature for some users. 2. Thermal management has been available for a while now although it's disabled by default. You would need to enable it manually see [1] [2] I would personally give nouveau a try if I was in your case and check the temperature via (lm_)sensors. Hope that helps, Emil [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/dri-devel/msg31902.html [2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/tree/Documentation/thermal/nouveau_thermal ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
Re: [Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Fernando Negro wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I read on a 2011 article - > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 > - that my particular card, GeForce 8400 GS, overheats with nouveau. (So, I > never tried using if for long, before, as soon as possible, installing the > proprietary drivers...) But, because it's a 2-year-old article, I was > wondering if that problem could have been, in the meantime, solved?... (Can > anyone tell me if that is so, or not - or indicate me a place where I can > know that?) There are actually several versions of the 8400 GS, the exact chipset would be a better indicator (if you're trying to compare to Phoronix results). It seems like the complaint in the article was that the passively cooled GPU was running at 80 degC. While that's quite warm, I'm pretty sure that's not nearly enough to be damaging. I had run my 9500GT (which started out with a fan that I later removed) at 90-95 degC with no apparent ill effect. If you do have a fan, there is some semblance of control in the latest kernels. Take a look at http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/thermal/nouveau_thermal for more details. There is also experimental reclocking support for the nv50 family chipsets (as well as nv40), which tends to be very much hit or miss. Works great when it works, but hangs the card when it doesn't. Take a look at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModuleParameters/, specifically perflvl_wr. Note that this only provides manual control, not dynamic like the latest radeon and nvidia proprietary drivers. Hope this helps, -ilia ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
[Nouveau] GeForce 8400 GS
Hi everyone. I read on a 2011 article - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_comp_2011&num=19 - that my particular card, GeForce 8400 GS, overheats with nouveau. (So, I never tried using if for long, before, as soon as possible, installing the proprietary drivers...) But, because it's a 2-year-old article, I was wondering if that problem could have been, in the meantime, solved?... (Can anyone tell me if that is so, or not - or indicate me a place where I can know that?) Thank you, all, in advance. ___ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau
