[NSP] Colin Ross and all that

2009-10-21 Thread Anthony Robb


   Is it unreasonable to suggest that there'd be no nsp if it wasn't for
   the NPS and there'd be no NPS as we know it without Colin Ross? Just
   what can the poor man do now he has been so thoroughly shafted by the
   organisation that was a major part of his life?

   There is a fundamental issue here and it won't go away or be alleviated
   with the removal of Colin from officialdom at NPS. The problem is that
   there are massive holes in the experience and knowledge of the
   tradition within the piping fraternity, including, nay, especially NPS
   and nsp brethren. On the 10^th October my wife Heather  I played a
   short set of fiddle duets at the concert at Morpeth in celebration of
   the life and contribution to piping of Jim Bryan. Heather is a
   competent musician in the sense that she obtained a distinction in
   grade 8 violin at school and scored very highly in her pieces with the
   examiner's comment some real music here. Despite/because of this
   background she felt quite a fraud getting up to play traditional tunes
   in that setting. True, she has made the study of the North East style
   her main pass-time since 2000 and the last 4 years of that involved
   daily practice of the north Northumbrian repertoire. After many hours
   of dedicated study she feels she is beginning to shake off the parts of
   her formal training that inhibit the traditional process but feels she
   is still only barely breaking into the area of natural feel and oneness
   with the music. Colin Ross understands these issues and has fought a
   losing battle in recent years with dot readers and book-learners who
   believe that this music can be picked up like learning history.

   I understand he is unpopular because he ran the society like a fiefdom,
   what else could he do as one by one committee members with similar
   first hand knowledge and experience of the tradition were replaced by
   enthusiastic but largely uniformed people who had come into piping from
   other areas of the folk revival or the classical field  ?

   The more people failed to listen to him the more desperate and
   confrontational he became.

   I understand his predicament and it is well documented that I feel he
   has been unsympathetically dealt with but my bigger concern is what
   will become of traditional piping itself. The virtuoso Clough type
   repertoire has its own worthy proponents and will survive in the hands
   of the truly gifted but I'm talking about the everyday tunes that form
   the basis of an average players repertoire and were played with such
   bounce and verve at Alnwick Pipers and around that locality.

   So many people want to cut to the chase and play the tunes before going
   through the hours of listening and mental absorption of style and feel
   before putting fingers to chanter. It seems to me that our traditional
   music is being swallowed up by an unstoppable onslaught from the dots
   first brigade. Colin's knowledge and experience of this music are
   unsurpassed, wouldn't it be wonderful if people put their differences
   aside and took steps to ensure his knowledge and feel for the tradition
   was passed on rather than superseded?

   As aye

   Anthony


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[NSP] Re: Colin Ross and all that

2009-10-21 Thread Francis Wood


On 21 Oct 2009, at 10:00, Anthony Robb wrote:

  Is it unreasonable to suggest that there'd be no nsp if it wasn't  
for

  the NPS


Yes.

Francis



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[NSP] . . .and all that jazz

2009-10-21 Thread Francis Wood

Steve is correct.

Actually there have been items on the NPS-Discussion List . . . stuff  
of genuine interest about pipe-making and maintenance . . . which  
should rightly belong here. Things keep slopping over onto the wrong  
side.


I'm wondering whether we need a completely separate GOB list. That  
would be entirely for communication between Grumpy Old Blokes.  Having  
just arrived at 60, I'd cheerfully become a junior member.


Well, perhaps not cheerfully since that would be contrary to the  
spirit of the whole thing.


Just a thought.

Francis


On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:48, Steve Bliven wrote:

It is my understanding that the NPS has its own list for discussions  
of this

type.

The rest of the world (or at least my small part of it) doesn't  
really want

to be exposed to this sort of material.

Please take this discussion where it belongs.

Best wishes.

Steve


On 10/21/09 5:00 AM, Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com wrote:

 Is it unreasonable to suggest that there'd be no nsp if it wasn't  
for
  the NPS and there'd be no NPS as we know it without Colin Ross?  
Just
  what can the poor man do now he has been so thoroughly shafted by  
the

  organisation that was a major part of his life?





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[NSP] I heart Colin buttons available now

2009-10-21 Thread Dally, John
I think Colin's contribution and reputation is firmly established.  The fact 
that every time a bit of nastiness appears on this newsgroup someone feels the 
need to restate it begs several impolitic questions.  Perhaps we need a Love 
Colin news group?

As for the NPS, your reputation also speaks for itself.  Amazingly, through 
some sort of divine intervention I suppose, I piped very happily for decades 
before I sent in my first dues.  I doubt my piping will suffer when my 
membership expires.



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