[NSP] Re: Breaking a promise
Dear Anthony, I should probably keep out of this. However . . . So I've just re-read this from a few days ago: I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue. A private apology, a public recantation of the reason for the apology and a promise of a specific published apology seems fairly gracious. What else can the Editor do? Life's too short (and today's too hot) so let's not get back to the old days of unmusical controversy on this list. By the way, I re-read your article with great interest and pleasure and am glad to repeat the link here: http://www.robbpipes.com/AnyoneForARant As for the title, the word 'rant' has a specific meaning in traditional music known and properly understood mostly by a small number of the inhabitants at the Northern end of this island. However, the NPS Journal (and this Dartmouth list) circulates worldwide to readers of English who natively use this word in one sense only. My point in saying so is that there is always the likelihood of a humourous leak between the two meanings. You're right to object if you think this was done deliberately in a title change which you did not like. The Editor was right to apologise. But for a huge number of people, this word-association is going to happen anyway. For most people, I'd suggest that it doesn't seem absent from your chosen title. Best wishes, Francis Francis On 3 Jul 2011, at 09:04, Anthony Robb wrote: As I'm aware that many out there will not share my rather high tedium tolerance level I'd decided to let this one go but a Sunday morning chat over a cuppa with Heather has persuaded me to make a couple of points: 1) The apology Barry refers to was in relation to not sending me a proof and despite my explanation that what I found upsetting was the change in tenor of the piece as a result of the alteration of the title and the ditching of the subtitle no further apology was forthcoming. Now that it has it is gratefully acknowledged and received. The thing I found very puzzling was that the Magazine had changed into a Journal for that edition but the editor made an artistic decision as though it was still a magazine. 2) The article on Hannah and Jimmy did take some sorting out but I would like to point out that this was largely as a result of the editor retyping the whole piece and the inevitable slips which ensued. Perhaps some guidance for fitting in with 'the house style' might lessen the workload for contributor and editor in the future. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 1/7/11, barr...@nspipes.co.uk barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: barr...@nspipes.co.uk barr...@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Re: To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 1 July, 2011, 21:28 (Suspicious voice) Hullo, Anyone there? I've got my tin hat on. Any incoming fire? (Normal voice) Attempts at humour on the internet are dangerous and generally misunderstood. I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue. Anthony presented two contributions to the Journal, the rant article coming earlier in the year well before any start had been made on compiling the issue and then later I received, the wonderful interview with Hannah Hutton and Jimmy Little which threw so much light on a particular section of our tradition and together with Hannah's photographs it became a very important part of the Journal. i am sure that Anthony remembers that article going back and forth for correction until we got it as right as possible. While this was going on, I was typesetting the magazine which involves competing influences, to get the content balanced , to get articles starting on the left or right as appropriate, to end up with a multiple of 4 pages, and I thought that there would not be room for Anthony's Rant article, until almost magically as I tidied up all the pages, a space appeared which demanded an article of just about that length. A few font changes... and it was in and I was grateful. I assembled the whole thing, hit the build contents key -- and the contents page didn't reflect the energy contained in the publication. I looked down the contents and felt that Anthony's title did not sit well against the previous title, and (woe is me) I tried changing Anthony's title in what I thought was a subtle and slightly humorous way and the magazine felt more balanced. However, I forgot to seek Anthony's permission. OOps. An editor must not offend his correspondents or the Journal will be empty. So again I apologize for my oversight as I will do in any
[NSP] Re: Breaking a promise[off list]
Hello Francis If someone kicks you in the shins and you say ouch that hurt and on being informed of the the hurt the person then apologises for wearing boots is that an effective apology? Barry has now apologised for the act itself and as I said in my recent comments it is gratefully received and acknowledged. I have contacted Barry saying there is no need for anything further on his part. Yes, the word Rant has its own conotations that is why I thought it important to include a subtitle explaining that the article wasn't a rant in that way. At the end of all of this we are still left with the conundrum of a publication taking on the academic appellation of Journal and then resorting to magazine practices. I might well be the only person on this list with mainstream journal experience to raise an eyebrow over this and so I'm more than happy to end it here. Best wishes Anthony --- On Sun, 3/7/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Breaking a promise To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 12:28 Dear Anthony, I should probably keep out of this. However . . . So I've just re-read this from a few days ago: I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue. A private apology, a public recantation of the reason for the apology and a promise of a specific published apology seems fairly gracious. What else can the Editor do? Life's too short (and today's too hot) so let's not get back to the old days of unmusical controversy on this list. By the way, I re-read your article with great interest and pleasure and am glad to repeat the link here: [1]http://www.robbpipes.com/AnyoneForARant As for the title, the word 'rant' has a specific meaning in traditional music known and properly understood mostly by a small number of the inhabitants at the Northern end of this island. However, the NPS Journal (and this Dartmouth list) circulates worldwide to readers of English who natively use this word in one sense only. My point in saying so is that there is always the likelihood of a humourous leak between the two meanings. You're right to object if you think this was done deliberately in a title change which you did not like. The Editor was right to apologise. But for a huge number of people, this word-association is going to happen anyway. For most people, I'd suggest that it doesn't seem absent from your chosen title. Best wishes, Francis Francis On 3 Jul 2011, at 09:04, Anthony Robb wrote: As I'm aware that many out there will not share my rather high tedium tolerance level I'd decided to let this one go but a Sunday morning chat over a cuppa with Heather has persuaded me to make a couple of points: 1) The apology Barry refers to was in relation to not sending me a proof and despite my explanation that what I found upsetting was the change in tenor of the piece as a result of the alteration of the title and the ditching of the subtitle no further apology was forthcoming. Now that it has it is gratefully acknowledged and received. The thing I found very puzzling was that the Magazine had changed into a Journal for that edition but the editor made an artistic decision as though it was still a magazine. 2) The article on Hannah and Jimmy did take some sorting out but I would like to point out that this was largely as a result of the editor retyping the whole piece and the inevitable slips which ensued. Perhaps some guidance for fitting in with 'the house style' might lessen the workload for contributor and editor in the future. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 1/7/11, [2]barr...@nspipes.co.uk [3]barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: [4]barr...@nspipes.co.uk [5]barr...@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Re: To: Dartmouth NPS [6]nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 1 July, 2011, 21:28 (Suspicious voice) Hullo, Anyone there? I've got my tin hat on. Any incoming fire? (Normal voice) Attempts at humour on the internet are dangerous and generally misunderstood. I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue. Anthony presented two contributions to the Journal, the rant article coming earlier in the year well before any start had been made on compiling the issue and then later I
[NSP] Ouch!
Apologies! I deleted the wrong email address there! Come back Barry, all is forgiven! Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Roxborough Castle TOTM
Here's my offering for the TOTM. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5xTxCFvOY I played these tunes in what I hope is a rant rhythm. -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5xTxCFvOY To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
Hi John The forum on the NPS web site is open to all (you just have to register) For some reason it is tucked away on the members page - I think that it should be on the front page! Currently things are a bit quiet but I hope that it will perk up once people try it and like it. It is certanly better for posting pictures, music and the threads are likely to be more coherent. It will only be useful if it is well used. I would like to have the chance to discuss various elements of pipemaking with other makers but unless others make an effort to get involved it will just wither. http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/index.php Adrian's forum is not part of the NPS web site and is really a place for him to discuss his opinions with other like minds. Mike Quoting John Dally dir...@gmail.com: Is this Mike Nelson? If so, hello Mike. Thanks for your efforts with the NPS website. I'm confused. There are two forums on the NPS website. One is for members, and it's difficult to find. The other is Adrian's and it's easy to find. Is this correct? I get the feeling that the members' forum is for ordinary pipers, like me, and Adrian's is for extraordinary pipers, like him, otherwise why would there be two forums? Are they both open to the general public? Many thanks, John On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk wrote: And an even better case for posting it on the NPS forum (its open to non members) Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com: On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members Hi Dave, I think you've made quite a good case here for joining the NPS. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~**wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
