[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
Probably not a typo. The 'n-bar' description seems to apply indiscriminately to tunes of total length n bars, and tunes with strains that long. I'd call Peacock's Bonny Pit Laddie a 6-bar jig; but a tune like The Hexham Quadrille, with 3 eight bar strains repeated, is often called a 48-bar jig. This usage makes sense when playing for dancing, as the dance might need 48 bars of music, say. As abstract music, the strain length might be what the player cares about. A lot of old reels are 4 bar ones in the former sense - but I can't think of any fitting the latter usage - perhaps we should have a new composition class with a suitably lavish prize next month? John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 08 September 2010 12:37 To: julia@nspipes.co.uk; NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Competitions It seems mean of me to pick up typos, Julia, 'cos I certianly maek planty, but I do like the idea of a 4 bar reel. Perhaps this should be a special class of its own in the said competitions. :) Richard. On 08/09/2010 11:05, Julia Say wrote: 1. Recently I have been playing through the winning compositions printed in the NPS Magazine. (Many are delightful!) I notice that most are 16-bar tunes. Is this considered to be the ideal length? This is one of the common dance tune lengths in this area. There are also 4-ba r reels, 48 bar jigs..etc etc -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
On 8 Sep 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
Probably not a typo.
No, John is correct. Not a typo.
There are quite a few of these scattered through society publications (and
elsewhere, but I'll stick to what I know about). As a tune form they are
widespread, but survive alive and played in our area and Shetland for just two.
Try The Steam Plough and Harlow Hill Lads (early C19) in NPS 3 , Dear Tobacco
(prob. C17) in the Charlton Memorial (amongst many others therein).
As to who writes those now? well here you go:
(fans of simple abc may need to remove the mtex dialect bits)
X:5943
T:The Snow Wind
C:J Say, Jan 2009
M:C|
L:1/8
E:11
K:G
DF|:G2\
\segno r
BG dGeG|cBAG FGAD/F/|G2 BG dGeG|1 cAFA G2 GD/F/:|2 cAFA\
E:11
G2 Gd||\
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|\
agfd g2 gd|*
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|cAFA G2 \
GD/F/\
\zcharnote s {D.S.}
||Ggaf\
\zcharnote t {Last time}
g2 g2||**
There's a picture of this on my Facebook page which can be seen by all at:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=218192l=7627d258f1id=10860900639
(or so the Facebook instructions tell me!)
I am not the only one who writes them, nor is this the only one I have.
Hope this helps
Julia
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[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
I grovel.
- and of course you're right.
Yours in deep humility,
Richard.
On 08/09/2010 15:26, Julia Say wrote:
On 8 Sep 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
Probably not a typo.
No, John is correct. Not a typo.
There are quite a few of these scattered through society publications (and
elsewhere, but I'll stick to what I know about). As a tune form they are
widespread, but survive alive and played in our area and Shetland for just two.
Try The Steam Plough and Harlow Hill Lads (early C19) in NPS 3 , Dear Tobacco
(prob. C17) in the Charlton Memorial (amongst many others therein).
As to who writes those now? well here you go:
(fans of simple abc may need to remove the mtex dialect bits)
X:5943
T:The Snow Wind
C:J Say, Jan 2009
M:C|
L:1/8
E:11
K:G
DF|:G2\
\segno r
BG dGeG|cBAG FGAD/F/|G2 BG dGeG|1 cAFA G2 GD/F/:|2 cAFA\
E:11
G2 Gd||\
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|\
agfd g2 gd|*
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|cAFA G2 \
GD/F/\
\zcharnote s {D.S.}
||Ggaf\
\zcharnote t {Last time}
g2 g2||**
There's a picture of this on my Facebook page which can be seen by all at:
[1]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=218192l=7627d258f1id=10860900639
(or so the Facebook instructions tell me!)
I am not the only one who writes them, nor is this the only one I have.
Hope this helps
Julia
--
References
1.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=218192l=7627d258f1id=10860900639
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[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
Sent this to Julia by mistake earlier, instead of to everyone...
-Original Message-
From: Gibbons, John
Sent: 08 September 2010 15:58
To: 'julia@nspipes.co.uk'
Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
It should also be noted that a lot of older '8-bar' reels have the structure of
a 4-bar reel with a slightly varied repeat (like Julia's 2nd strain), so the
structure is schematically |:A A' :||: B B' :|. Buttered Peas is of this type.
Most strathspeys are on the 4-bar pattern,
|:A :| B B' | usually with a variant ornamented tag in the 2nd strain.
The 4-bar form is nowhere near as limiting as you'd guess, and the fact that
there are so many of the things around, from Clare to Shetland and most places
in between, shows there is still a lot going for it. The reels are rhythmically
powerful, in general - and the underlying harmonic rhythm is often much clearer
than in tunes with longer phrases.
John
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Julia Say
Sent: 08 September 2010 15:26
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Richard York
Subject: [NSP] Re: 4-bar reels
On 8 Sep 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
Probably not a typo.
No, John is correct. Not a typo.
There are quite a few of these scattered through society publications (and
elsewhere, but I'll stick to what I know about). As a tune form they are
widespread, but survive alive and played in our area and Shetland for just two.
Try The Steam Plough and Harlow Hill Lads (early C19) in NPS 3 , Dear Tobacco
(prob. C17) in the Charlton Memorial (amongst many others therein).
As to who writes those now? well here you go:
(fans of simple abc may need to remove the mtex dialect bits)
X:5943
T:The Snow Wind
C:J Say, Jan 2009
M:C|
L:1/8
E:11
K:G
DF|:G2\
\segno r
BG dGeG|cBAG FGAD/F/|G2 BG dGeG|1 cAFA G2 GD/F/:|2 cAFA\
E:11
G2 Gd||\
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|\
agfd g2 gd|*
g2 eg dgBg|Ggfg agfg|g2 eg dgBg|cAFA G2 \
GD/F/\
\zcharnote s {D.S.}
||Ggaf\
\zcharnote t {Last time}
g2 g2||**
There's a picture of this on my Facebook page which can be seen by all at:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=218192l=7627d258f1id=10860900639
(or so the Facebook instructions tell me!)
I am not the only one who writes them, nor is this the only one I have.
Hope this helps
Julia
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
