[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
I actually rather like the 2nd viennese school version, especially with the 15/16 bars at the end of strains! c -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Gibbons, John Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:12 PM To: 'NSP group' Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads With the typographical huge leaps removed - these age-yellowed whisky-stained MS abc files are a b---r to read. X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g||:f| eA Ac BD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac BD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A :| c|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| c|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| ||:f|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A:|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A2|| John -Original Message- From: Gibbons, John Sent: 17 January 2011 12:46 To: NSP group Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads Richard, Your discovery is a good one, but the rhythm of the title ''The Rotting of the Cotton Threads'' is so clearly a Strathspey, as Francis noted, that I looked elsewhere in the archive. On a moth eaten, yellowing, and (Speyside) whisky-stained sheet of paper I found: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g.||:f/| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A. :| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| ||:f/|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A.:|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| Perhaps this is the one Francis was thinking of?? The title rhythm certainly fits the first bar, so perhaps someone can also discover the missing lyric John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 16 January 2011 22:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads In fact I'm sure it would have made more sense with the sections in reverse order. But there you are, that's how I found it. R. On 16/01/2011 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
Richard, Your discovery is a good one, but the rhythm of the title ''The Rotting of the Cotton Threads'' is so clearly a Strathspey, as Francis noted, that I looked elsewhere in the archive. On a moth eaten, yellowing, and (Speyside) whisky-stained sheet of paper I found: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g.||:f/| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A. :| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| ||:f/|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A.:|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| Perhaps this is the one Francis was thinking of?? The title rhythm certainly fits the first bar, so perhaps someone can also discover the missing lyric John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 16 January 2011 22:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads In fact I'm sure it would have made more sense with the sections in reverse order. But there you are, that's how I found it. R. On 16/01/2011 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
I suspect both these tunes are based on the old north Northumbrian air 'The Throttlin' of the Reeds/Reids' Best wishes Margaret -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Gibbons, John Sent: 17 January 2011 12:46 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads Richard, Your discovery is a good one, but the rhythm of the title ''The Rotting of the Cotton Threads'' is so clearly a Strathspey, as Francis noted, that I looked elsewhere in the archive. On a moth eaten, yellowing, and (Speyside) whisky-stained sheet of paper I found: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g.||:f/| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A. :| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| ||:f/|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A.:|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| Perhaps this is the one Francis was thinking of?? The title rhythm certainly fits the first bar, so perhaps someone can also discover the missing lyric John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 16 January 2011 22:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads In fact I'm sure it would have made more sense with the sections in reverse order. But there you are, that's how I found it. R. On 16/01/2011 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
On 17 Jan 2011, at 13:00, Margaret Watchorn wrote: I suspect both these tunes are based on the old north Northumbrian air 'The Throttlin' of the Reeds/Reids' Margaret, I think you're probably right. The problem with Rotting of The Cotton Threads is the question: why would anyone want to do this? Rotting is part of linen production, extracting fibres from long stems. With cotton, the stuff is already white and fluffy and generally lovely. The melody itself has aspects of the 2nd Viennese school, with those improbable abrupt leaps. Could this be one of McBeaumont's compositions? Or am I making this already rotten thread even worse? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
Having listened - a spectacular discovery, John! It must have taken quite a while to, er, find it. Best wishes, Richard. On 17/01/2011 13:05, Gibbons, John wrote: Corrected the upbeats: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g||:f| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A :| c|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| c|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| ||:f|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A:|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A2|| John -Original Message- From: Gibbons, John Sent: 17 January 2011 12:46 To: NSP group Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads Richard, Your discovery is a good one, but the rhythm of the title ''The Rotting of the Cotton Threads'' is so clearly a Strathspey, as Francis noted, that I looked elsewhere in the archive. On a moth eaten, yellowing, and (Speyside) whisky-stained sheet of paper I found: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g.||:f/| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A. :| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| ||:f/|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A.:|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| Perhaps this is the one Francis was thinking of?? The title rhythm certainly fits the first bar, so perhaps someone can also discover the missing lyric John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 16 January 2011 22:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads In fact I'm sure it would have made more sense with the sections in reverse order. But there you are, that's how I found it. R. On 16/01/2011 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
With the typographical huge leaps removed - these age-yellowed whisky-stained MS abc files are a b---r to read. X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g||:f| eA Ac BD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac BD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A :| c|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| c|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| ||:f|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A:|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A|| G|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A2|| John -Original Message- From: Gibbons, John Sent: 17 January 2011 12:46 To: NSP group Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads Richard, Your discovery is a good one, but the rhythm of the title ''The Rotting of the Cotton Threads'' is so clearly a Strathspey, as Francis noted, that I looked elsewhere in the archive. On a moth eaten, yellowing, and (Speyside) whisky-stained sheet of paper I found: X:2 T: The Rotting of the Cotton Threads C:Trad? M:4/4 Q:1/4=60 L:1/8 K:A dor g.||:f/| eA Ac bD EB| ef ge Be B/Ge/|eA Ac bD EB| cd e/d/c/d/ eA A. :| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af dA fd| ef ea ac df| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| c/|ef ea ac de| fg af be fd|(3 efg (3 agf (3 gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| ||:f/|ec eA GB EB|eB gB e/d/c/B/ cf|ec eA GB EB|eB g/f/e/d/ eA A.:|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fd| EF EA CE A,c|ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| G/|EF EA CE A,C|EG Ac dA fa| (3bag (3agf (3gfe (3fed| ef g/f/e/d/ eA A.|| Perhaps this is the one Francis was thinking of?? The title rhythm certainly fits the first bar, so perhaps someone can also discover the missing lyric John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 16 January 2011 22:54 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads In fact I'm sure it would have made more sense with the sections in reverse order. But there you are, that's how I found it. R. On 16/01/2011 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
An arduous piece of research Richard, for which we are all indebted! Clearly this represents a tradition in its debased and probably final stage. The bonds holding the whole thing together are finally disintegrating. It seems quite probable that the decline and fall of the Roman Empire may have had as its root cause the use of the wrong sort of oil. Probably bunged up their lamps something rotten. The title here refers to a linen process perhaps, also known as retting? I suppose most people know of the abc resource 'ABC Convert-A-Matic' where you can see the dots and hear the notes of this or any other tune?: http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html Francis On 16 Jan 2011, at 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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There may in fact be a market for pipers' discarded threads in India. Weve all seen the thick bands of rotting pink threads that North Indian men wear around their wrists and the fat, lipsticked men with pencil moustaches so beloved of the South Indian screen. (http://www.hindu.com/lr/2008/03/02/stories/2008030250020100.htm) So far no-one has complained on this list of a surplus of fat, lipsticked men, with or without moustaches, pencil or otherwise, but give it time. Tim On 16 Jan 2011, at 23:08, Francis Wood wrote: An arduous piece of research Richard, for which we are all indebted! Clearly this represents a tradition in its debased and probably final stage. The bonds holding the whole thing together are finally disintegrating. It seems quite probable that the decline and fall of the Roman Empire may have had as its root cause the use of the wrong sort of oil. Probably bunged up their lamps something rotten. The title here refers to a linen process perhaps, also known as retting? I suppose most people know of the abc resource 'ABC Convert-A-Matic' where you can see the dots and hear the notes of this or any other tune?: http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html Francis On 16 Jan 2011, at 22:45, Richard York wrote: Arduous research in dusty attics and archives has revealed, Francis, that I regret it's not a strathspey, more a sort of rhythmic unravelling. I couldn't find anything called The Rotting of the Cotton Threads as such, but this obviously fairly corrupt version called The Rotting of the Threads, which is pretty close, I'm sure you'll agree, turned up among the yellowing manuscripts. It will be seen that the rhythms perhaps reflect the progressive degeneration of the instrument... though I feel that the copyist has perhaps put them in reverse order, so that rather than losing a beat each time, the idee fixe actually gains one. Strange, and rather sad, really. It was hard to read the writing, but I think I transcribed it correctly. If anyone has a better written out version I'll be delighted to see it. I copy it below in abc's X:1 T: The Rotting of the Threads C:Trad? M:3/4 Q:120 L:1/8 K:G |:.gA.g.c e/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gB d/2B/2A/2G/2|.EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2|.DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:| M:7/8 |: .gA.gB.c e/2d/2c/2B/2|.gA.gA.B d/2B/2A/2G/2|\ M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 | .DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:4/4 .gA.gA B.ce/2d/2c/2A/2|.gA.gA B.cd/2B/2A/G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2 |. DAB.c d/2B/2A/2G/2:||:/ M:9/8 .gAg .ABc .ee/2c/2B/2A/2|.gAg .ABc .dd/2B/2A/2G/2| M:3/4 .EAB.c e/2c/2B/2A/2| .DABc .d/2B/2A/2G/2:| Best wishes, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
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How about The Gold Plated pipes or Snotomer's Maggot. Does anyone feel inspired to write them? Dru On 15 Jan 2011, at 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Den 14-01-2011 19:15, Anthony Robb skrev: snip Also (at risk of starting off another debate) Ian Corrigan recommends silicone grease in place of vaseline. Thoughts? As aye Anthony Don't worry too badly Anthony - I have no intentions of starting a new debate, but just a very short comment: I see here only one slight problem with silicone greases (there are many different) and that is their general tendency to get on your fingertips and from there spread onto anything you touch thereafter, and being quite difficult to remove, the silicon grease thus tends to make things like keys etc. unexpectedly slippery. Bo A To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 14 Jan 2011, at 20:07, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: If we are going to discuss possible effects of mineral oil (liquid paraffin) on thread Yes, there's been a lot of interesting discussion about that but why on earth would anyone want to use liquid lubricant on thread or anywhere else for that matter? Liquid-anything tends not to stay where you put it. That's a significant disadvantage. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com: Liquid-anything tends not to stay where you put it. That's a significant disadvantage. Francis Indeed, Liquid paraffin seems to have some superfluid tendencies, creeping out of the bottle on its own. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads
Did you mean haven't written yet? Next years competitions maybe? :-) Colin Hill - Original Message - On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
