[NTG-context] Some questions about luatex

2006-11-07 Thread luigi scarso
hi some questions about luatex
(www.luatex.org)
1) will be possible some code like
\luatry{%
...tex code}
\luaexcept{
..tex code}
2) will be possible to embedding some other language ie Python (of
course, reading the C source) ?

Thanks in advance
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about luatex

2006-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
luigi scarso wrote:
 hi some questions about luatex
 (www.luatex.org)
 1) will be possible some code like
 \luatry{%
 tex code}
 \luaexcept{
 ...tex code}
 2) will be possible to embedding some other language ie Python (of
 course, reading the C source) ?
   
i'm not sure what you mean here 

\somelua{ lua code that may or may not give back tex input } 

if you mean that we can use lua for pretty printing, then the answer is yes, in 
my mkiv code there is already a lua based pretty printing framework 

Hans 

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[NTG-context] Some questions about lua context

2006-11-07 Thread Aleksandar Lazic
Hi,

today I have looked into luatex and read the FAQ
http://www.luatex.org/faq.html

Just for my curiosity, have you looked into neko?!

http://www.nekovm.org/

I don't know when you have decide to go to lua and if then neko was out.

Thanks to satisfied my curiosity ;- )

Regards

Aleks
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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about lua context

2006-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Aleksandar Lazic wrote:
 Hi,

 today I have looked into luatex and read the FAQ
 http://www.luatex.org/faq.html

 Just for my curiosity, have you looked into neko?!

 http://www.nekovm.org/

 I don't know when you have decide to go to lua and if then neko was out.

 Thanks to satisfied my curiosity ;- )
   
the choice for lua was made purely on my experience with perl, ruby and ... lua 
(embedded into skype) 

one big advantage of lua is that it has a long history, has reached a point of 
stability, is developped in an academic atmosphere, is rather clean, very 
lightweight, etc 

anyhow, the decision has been made (after the decision already several 
alternatives have been proposed -) 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about luatex

2006-11-07 Thread Taco Hoekwater
luigi scarso wrote:
 hi some questions about luatex
 (www.luatex.org)
 1) will be possible some code like
 \luatry{%
 ...tex code}
 \luaexcept{
 ..tex code}

Guess at what you want: maybe, but not right away. The \luatry
would have to save quite a bit of state information for this
to be useful, which is not feasible on short notice (imagine
having to save some 400+ globals and hooking into a few dozen
data structure operations)

 2) will be possible to embedding some other language ie Python (of
 course, reading the C source) ?

If you want to change the sources yourself, then yes. Otherwise
no. If luatex were to allow this without recompile, nobody could
rely on a stable platform for interchange of documents.

Greetigngs, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about lua context

2006-11-07 Thread Martin Schröder
2006/11/7, Aleksandar Lazic [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Just for my curiosity, have you looked into neko?!

lua - neko was already discussed on the lua list. :-)

The thread starts at http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-09/msg00598.html

Best
   Martin
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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about lua context

2006-11-07 Thread Aleksandar Lazic
On Die 07.11.2006 10:47, Hans Hagen wrote:
Aleksandar Lazic wrote:
[snipp]
 I don't know when you have decide to go to lua and if then neko was
 out.

 Thanks to satisfied my curiosity ;- )

[snipp]

anyhow, the decision has been made (after the decision already several
alternatives have been proposed -) 

Thanks for answer ;-)

Regards

Aleks
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Re: [NTG-context] Some questions about lua context

2006-11-07 Thread Aleksandar Lazic
On Die 07.11.2006 12:21, Martin Schröder wrote:
2006/11/7, Aleksandar Lazic [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Just for my curiosity, have you looked into neko?!

lua - neko was already discussed on the lua list. :-)

I think I have read it in the past ;-)

Regards

Aleks
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[NTG-context] Columns and backgrounds problem

2006-11-07 Thread Matthias Weber
Hello,

I am trying to use backgrounds in columns. Typically, the background  
runs into the other column as the following example.

Is this a limitation, or am I doing something wrong?

Any help is appreciated.

Matthias




\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuppagenumbering[location=]
\setupbodyfont[12pt]

\definecolor[myframecolor][r=.0,g=.5,b=.6]
\definecolor[myheadcolor][r=.0,g=.5,b=.0]
\definecolor[myemcolor][r=.6,g=.1,b=.5]
\definecolor[textcolor][r=.2,g=.02,b=.3]



\definecolor[thmcolor]
[r=.94,g=.94,b=.9]

\definetextbackground
[thmbackground]
[backgroundcolor=thmcolor,
%corner=round,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
leftoffset=5pt,
rightoffset=5pt,
topoffset=5pt,
bottomoffset=5pt,
frame=on,
framecolor=darkblue,
location=paragraph,
color=darkblue]


\defineenumeration
[theorem]
[before={\starttextbackground[thmbackground]},
after={\stoptextbackground},
text=Theorem,
way=bysection,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]


\setuppapersize[letter][letter]


\starttext


\startcolumns[n=2]

\input tufte

\starttheorem $1+1=2$
\stoptheorem

\input tufte

\starttheorem $1+1=2$
\stoptheorem

\input tufte


\stopcolumns

\stoptext 
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[NTG-context] postoned text and headers

2006-11-07 Thread Paul Jones
Hello everyone,

I have a tex document where I postpone (\startpostponing) certain
pages until later in the document.  On those pages I would like the
headers/footers turned off.  I have tried \noheaderandfooterlines, and
setting the header to high, but neither seem to work.  Have I done
something wrong or is there another way to do this?  Here is an
example of what I tried to describe.

%output=pdf
\setuppagenumbering[conversion=numbers, location=]
\setupheadertexts[pagenumber][][][pagenumber]

\starttext
\startpostponing[+2]
\page
\noheaderandfooterlines
%this will generally be a fullbleed picture or set of pictures on a
page by themselves
\framed[frame=on, width=\textwidth, height=\textheight]
{\dorecurse{1}{\input zapf}}
\page
\stoppostponing

\dorecurse{20}{\input davis  }
\stoptext

Thanks in advance for any help,
paul
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[NTG-context] Header number separator

2006-11-07 Thread Jeff Smith
Hi,

Some time ago I had a query on the list about roman numbering in
headers. Once I got my answer, I asked something else relatively
unrelated but in the same thread. It's probably bad etiquette, so I
figure that is why it has remained unheeded. I'd like to submit my
second query again.

I have a problem with the separator in header numbers. I want to
use a different separator between chapter and section numbers (-), than between
section and subsection numbers (.).

So, assuming I'm using roman numerals for chapters, I'd like numering
of sections to be I-1, I-2, I-3, etc., of subsections to be I-1.1,
I-1.2, I-2.1, I-2.2, I-2.3, etc.

Now when I use \setuphead for section and subsection blocks with
different [separator=] attributes:

\setuphead[section][separator=-]
\setuphead[subsection][separator=.]

... it defines the separator for the _whole_ header level, not the
number position within any relevant header. So I get this instead:

sections are numbered I-1, I-2, I-3, etc.
subsections are numbered I.1.1, 1.1.2, I.2.1, I.2.2, I.2.3, etc.

Is there a way to achieve what I want to do?

Thanks!
Jeff
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Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt

2006-11-07 Thread Pablo Rodríguez

Hans Hagen wrote:
 should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether
 it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether .
   
 the example framework is some ongoing experiment with web related 
 tex/xml things; you don't need that, just stick to the built in xml 
 handler (as described in example.pdf, but more extensive examples can be 
 found in the x-*.tex files in the distribution
 Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task
 could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is
 the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on.
   
 most of the projects we run at pragma involve xml - pdf processing; 
 using a dedicated dtd works most convenient
 
 using tei is ok, as long as you stick to structural elements and keep 
 away from layour-related coding

Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days
I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it).

It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although
x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with).

But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was
typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the
electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains quotes
and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do
similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt.

For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a
humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning
ConTeXt?

Thanks for your help,


Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:

 It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although
 x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with).

 But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was
 typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the
 electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains  
 quotes
 and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do
 similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt.

 For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a
 humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning
 ConTeXt?

 Thanks for your help,


 Pablo

Difficult to answer this question because it's a bit vague. What kind  
of documents do you want to produce with ConTeXt? Articles,  
presentations, textbooks, lists, interactive screen documents?
But to give you a few pointers that may or may not be useful:

- The first stop would be the wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net .  
There is a section called Sample documents that may be a good  
starting point.

- You could have a look at recent issues of the PracTeX journal;  
there is some stuff about ConTeXt in there, and it should be good for  
beginners.

- Of course, the Pragma website, but I guess you know that already.

- Finally, for ancient Greek, there is the ancientgreek module http:// 
modules.contextgarden.net/t-greek which I find superior to all Greek  
typesetting in LaTeX (because I wrote the module).

Don't hesitate to ask here when you have specific questions, but  
maybe that can get you started. I am a humanities guy and do all my  
work in ConTeXt...

HTH

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Header number separator

2006-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jeff Smith wrote:

 Hi,

 Some time ago I had a query on the list about roman numbering in
 headers. Once I got my answer, I asked something else relatively
 unrelated but in the same thread. It's probably bad etiquette, so I
 figure that is why it has remained unheeded. I'd like to submit my
 second query again.

 I have a problem with the separator in header numbers. I want to
 use a different separator between chapter and section numbers (-), than 
 between
 section and subsection numbers (.).

 So, assuming I'm using roman numerals for chapters, I'd like numering
 of sections to be I-1, I-2, I-3, etc., of subsections to be I-1.1,
 I-1.2, I-2.1, I-2.2, I-2.3, etc.

 Is there a way to achieve what I want to do?

Yes, as long as you do not want to refer to your sections :) The 
separator seems to be broken while refering anyways.

\setupsection[section-2][bodypartconversion=Romannumerals]

\setuphead
[subsection]
[numbercommand=\mysubsectionnumber]

\setuphead[section][separator=-]

\unprotect

\def\mysubsectionnumber#1%
   {\@@shortsectionnumber{section-2}-%
\@@shortsectionnumber{section-3}.%
\@@shortsectionnumber{section-4}}

\protect

\starttext

\chapter{Test}

\section[sec]{section test}

\subsection[sub]{test}

The separator is not honored in \in Section[sec] and in \in 
subsection[sub].

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Header number separator

2006-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jeff Smith wrote:

 Hi,

 Some time ago I had a query on the list about roman numbering in
 headers. Once I got my answer, I asked something else relatively
 unrelated but in the same thread. It's probably bad etiquette, so I
 figure that is why it has remained unheeded. I'd like to submit my
 second query again.

 I have a problem with the separator in header numbers. I want to
 use a different separator between chapter and section numbers (-), than 
 between
 section and subsection numbers (.).

 So, assuming I'm using roman numerals for chapters, I'd like numering
 of sections to be I-1, I-2, I-3, etc., of subsections to be I-1.1,
 I-1.2, I-2.1, I-2.2, I-2.3, etc.

 Is there a way to achieve what I want to do?

 Yes, as long as you do not want to refer to your sections :) The
 separator seems to be broken while refering anyways.

I need this functionality for a project (IEEE conference style), so 
here is hack to get the feature. The referencing also works.

Use with caution, can break existing macros.

\setupsection[section-1][separator=-]
\setupsection[section-2][separator=-]
\setupsection[section-3][separator=-] %section
\setupsection[section-4][separator=.] %subsection
\setupsection[section-5][separator=-]
\setupsection[section-6][separator=-]

\setupsection[section-2][bodypartconversion=Romannumerals]

\unprotect
\def\@@longsectionnumber#1%
   {\ifreversesectionnumbers
  \@@shortsectionnumber{#1}%
  \ifnum\countervalue{\??se\previoussection{#1}}\zerocount
   \csname\??se#1\c!separator\endcsname%AM: was .
\csname\previoussection{#1}\c!number\endcsname
  \fi
\else
  \ifnum\countervalue{\??se\previoussection{#1}}\zerocount
  \csname\previoussection{#1}\c!number\endcsname%
  \csname\??se#1\c!separator\endcsname%AM: was .
  \fi
  \@@shortsectionnumber{#1}%
\fi}

\protect

\starttext

\chapter{Test}

\section[sec]{section test}

\subsection[sub]{test}

The separator is honored in \in Section[sec] and in \in 
subsection[sub].

\stoptext

Basically, section numbers are built according to \??se 
(\setupsection, etc), while separators are specified using \??ko 
(\setuphead, etc), so any interaction is very difficult. I defined 
separators according to \setupsection, and use while generating the 
number.


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt

2006-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:


 Hans Hagen wrote:
 should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether
 it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether .

 the example framework is some ongoing experiment with web related
 tex/xml things; you don't need that, just stick to the built in xml
 handler (as described in example.pdf, but more extensive examples can be
 found in the x-*.tex files in the distribution
 Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task
 could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is
 the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on.

 most of the projects we run at pragma involve xml - pdf processing;
 using a dedicated dtd works most convenient

 using tei is ok, as long as you stick to structural elements and keep
 away from layour-related coding

 Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days
 I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it).

 It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although
 x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with).

You can also check the thread 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20050225.103441.cda2d788.en.html#20050225.103441.cda2d788
for some discussion on getting started with XML and context.

 But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was
 typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the
 electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains quotes
 and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do
 similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt.

 For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a
 humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning
 ConTeXt?

There is also Berend de Boer's Latex in proper context that can help 
in the transition.

http://articles.contextgarden.net/article/32


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt

2006-11-07 Thread nico
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:34:54 -0500 (EST), Aditya Mahajan  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:

 Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days
 I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it).

 It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although
 x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with).

 You can also check the thread
 http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20050225.103441.cda2d788.en.html#20050225.103441.cda2d788
 for some discussion on getting started with XML and context.

Since this thread is also talking about some tools, I'll complete the list  
with dbcontext (http://dblatex.sf.net) on which I contribute, that  
translates DocBook to ConTeXt via XSL stylesheets. I guess that many  
aspects could be directly handled by context.

Here are some examples built from DocBook sources:  
http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/example/svn-book-by-dbcontext.pdf,  
http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/example/divepython-dbc.pdf.bz2.

Regards,
BG
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