Re: [NTG-context] clutter with \start and \stop
On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:56 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Rogers, Michael K
mrog...@emory.edumailto:mrog...@emory.edu wrote:
XML seems a nice way for machines to deal with data. But it's not a very human
way to speak. I mean, if I write \section{One}...\section{Two} isn't it
obvious that section One ends when section Two begins? Why should I have to
write \endsection, when the machine can do the bookkeeping for me? The
start/stop mechanism is nice as an option, if you plan to produce an XML
document from ConTeXt. However the XML translator could implement 'if not
first section then /sectionsection else section' and add if
in_a_section then /section' when \stoptext is reached.
Hm, consider this
\section{One} \input knuth
Text
\section{Two} \input knuth
and
\startsection{One} \input knuth
\stopsection
Text
\startsection{Two} \input knuth
\stopsection
In the last one it's clear that Text is not in the section One or in the
section Two: In the first one, Text is in section One --- but how can I put
Text so that is not in section One and not in section Two ?
Most of the time section One ends where section Two begins, but it's not true
that *always* section One ends where section Two begins : infact the last one
is a legal example.
I agree. When I said start/stop mechanisms are nice options, I had in mind
they are useful, even indispensable, alternatives for certain sorts of
structuring, as your example shows -- at the time of writing, I focused on XML.
I could equally say \section is a nice option. Still, if I want to write a
paper that consists of a sequence of sections, it's easier to just use
\section, and an XML translator could be written to mark it up accordingly.
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in latest beta
On 5-7-2012 04:28, JIN Xiao-Yong wrote:
I got the following error in the minimal example (which is all shown in the
output below)
system tex error on line 4 in file simpl.tex: Undefined
control sequence ...
you can try (in page-mul)
\installcolumnbreakmethod \s!multicolumn \v!yes
{\par
\begingroup
\normaloffinterlineskip
\normalpenalty\plustenthousand
\vbox to \textheight{}%
\endgroup
\penalty-200
\vskip-\textheight}
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Re: [NTG-context] Broken Nightly 2012.07.04
On 5-7-2012 03:12, Kip Warner wrote: Hey list, Nightly 2012.07.04 appears to break when compiling my book. I see the following: ! Undefined control sequence. \math_arrows_construct_single ...s \p_mathspacing \p_mathspacing = \p_math_spacing - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] clutter with \start and \stop
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.eduwrote:
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Peter Münster wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04 2012, Hans Hagen wrote:
no, mixing this way is asking for troubles, if not now, than maybe in
the
future
just use \section
Yes, but isn't \startsection the recommended method for the future and
needed for XML output?
XML documents should form a tree, so a structure like
\startA % A
\startB % B
\stopA % /A
\stopB % /B
won't translate to XML.
Grouping in TeX follows the same restrictions, and \start... and \stop...
behave like \begingroup and \endgroup. The \stop... is supposed to restore
the state before the corresponding \start... (at least I assume so --
\endgroup works that way). One cannot stop A in the middle of B and return
to the state before \startA without also stopping B. So one should put
\stopB before \stopA, not after it.
It depends.
\starttext
\long\def\startA#1\stopA{\low{A}#1\low{A}}
\long\def\startB#1\stopB{\low{B}#1\low{B}}
\startA
textAA
\startB
textAB
\stopA
textBB
\stopB
\stoptext
is ok (not the context way, btw: real code is more complex).
The meaning of this can be
content of \startA..\stopA = textAA ⋃ textAB
content of \startB..\stopB = textAB ⋃ textBB
\startA..\stopA ⋂ \startB..\stopB = textAB
If we are describing programs, textAB can be the common code between the
function A and B.
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in latest beta
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5-7-2012 04:28, JIN Xiao-Yong wrote:
I got the following error in the minimal example (which is all shown in the
output below)
system tex error on line 4 in file simpl.tex: Undefined
control sequence ...
you can try (in page-mul)
\installcolumnbreakmethod \s!multicolumn \v!yes
{\par
\begingroup
\normaloffinterlineskip
\normalpenalty\plustenthousand
\vbox to \textheight{}%
\endgroup
\penalty-200
\vskip-\textheight}
It compiles then, but the first section is moved to the second column, which is
not the intention.
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[NTG-context] framed \\
In the ConTeXT manual I see that a construct
\framed{A\\B\\C} should type set as three lines below each other:
A
B
C
But instead the \\'ssmb://'s disappear without a trace.
Did I miss some change on the use of \\'ssmb://'s in \framed?
Could it be a sideeffect of recent changes?
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
Sorry, missed the inclusion of the output of the minimal example.
In the ConTeXT manual I see that a construct
\framed{A\\B\\C} should type set as three lines below each other:
A
B
C
But instead the \\'s disappear without a trace.
Did I miss some change on the use of \\'s in \framed?
Could it be a sideeffect of recent changes?
Hans van der Meer
\starttext
\framed{A\\B\\C}
\stoptext
test.pdf
Description: test.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
Am 05.07.2012 um 11:01 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
Sorry, missed the inclusion of the output of the minimal example.
In the ConTeXT manual I see that a construct
\framed{A\\B\\C} should type set as three lines below each other:
A
B
C
But instead the \\'s disappear without a trace.
Did I miss some change on the use of \\'s in \framed?
Could it be a sideeffect of recent changes?
The \\ is converted to a space as you can see in the output, you have to set a
align value to break the input into lines.
\starttext
\framed[align=middle]{A\\B\\C}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
Thanks.
Indeed, the align does the trick. But what is the raison d'être of coupling the
behaviour of \\ to the align parameter? I wouldn't have known out but for your
reply. Is it something to add to the wiki on framed? (sorry, I am not apt at
these things myself, too old ;-). Or can it be done generally?
Hans van der Meer
On 5 jul. 2012, at 12:29, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 05.07.2012 um 11:01 schrieb Meer, H. van der:
Sorry, missed the inclusion of the output of the minimal example.
In the ConTeXT manual I see that a construct
\framed{A\\B\\C} should type set as three lines below each other:
A
B
C
But instead the \\'sx-msg://2488/ disappear without a trace.
Did I miss some change on the use of \\'sx-msg://2488/ in \framed?
Could it be a sideeffect of recent changes?
The \\ is converted to a space as you can see in the output, you have to set a
align value to break the input into lines.
\starttext
\framed[align=middle]{A\\B\\C}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Meer, H. van der wrote:
Indeed, the align does the trick. But what is the raison d'être of
coupling the behaviour of \\ to the align parameter? I wouldn't have
known out but for your reply. Is it something to add to the wiki on
framed? (sorry, I am not apt at these things myself, too old ;-). Or can
it be done generally?
Without align={normal|middle|left|right}, \framed is equal to \hbox. You
cannot have line breaks in a \hbox. With align=something, \framed is a
\vbox, so you can have line breaks.
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
2012/7/5 Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu:
Without align={normal|middle|left|right}, \framed is equal to \hbox. You
cannot have line breaks in a \hbox. With align=something, \framed is a
\vbox, so you can have line breaks.
Thank you, it’s wikified. (Command reference on \setupframed)
Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] framed \\
Thank you very much. That completely clarifies it.
Hans van der Meer
On 5 jul. 2012, at 12:55, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Meer, H. van der wrote:
Indeed, the align does the trick. But what is the raison d'être of coupling the
behaviour of \\ to the align parameter? I wouldn't have known out but for your
reply. Is it something to add to the wiki on framed? (sorry, I am not apt at
these things myself, too old ;-). Or can it be done generally?
Without align={normal|middle|left|right}, \framed is equal to \hbox. You cannot
have line breaks in a \hbox. With align=something, \framed is a \vbox, so you
can have line breaks.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] clutter with \start and \stop
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:23 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Rogers, Michael K
mrog...@emory.edumailto:mrog...@emory.edu wrote:
XML documents should form a tree, so a structure like
\startA % A
\startB % B
\stopA % /A
\stopB % /B
won't translate to XML.
Grouping in TeX follows the same restrictions, and \start... and \stop...
behave like \begingroup and \endgroup. The \stop... is supposed to restore the
state before the corresponding \start... (at least I assume so -- \endgroup
works that way). One cannot stop A in the middle of B and return to the state
before \startA without also stopping B. So one should put \stopB before
\stopA, not after it.
It depends.
\starttext
\long\def\startA#1\stopA{\low{A}#1\low{A}}
\long\def\startB#1\stopB{\low{B}#1\low{B}}
\startA
textAA
\startB
textAB
\stopA
textBB
\stopB
\stoptext
is ok (not the context way, btw: real code is more complex).
The meaning of this can be
content of \startA..\stopA = textAA ⋃ textAB
content of \startB..\stopB = textAB ⋃ textBB
\startA..\stopA ⋂ \startB..\stopB = textAB
If we are describing programs, textAB can be the common code between the
function A and B.
--
luigi
Again, I agree with what you write. Somewhere I must have expressed myself
poorly and I apologize. It seems like a side issue (my issue with XML), and I
did not mean to hijack the thread. Sorry.
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Re: [NTG-context] \stretched
Hello!
I just downloaded yesterday night's version of Context and tried the example
provided. - What is wrong with the first line with the \hbox? This stretched
text is as long as the second line and uses the whole text width. The third
line has a width of 10cm as it seems.
Willi
On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
In the next version, the \stretched command has been replaced by a new one
using the character kerning feature.
\hbox to 5cm{\stretched{to the limit}}
\stretched{to the limit}
\stretched[width=10cm]{to the limit}
In addition one can set a style and color.
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Re: [NTG-context] \stretched
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Willi Egger cont...@boede.nl wrote:
Hello!
I just downloaded yesterday night's version of Context and tried the
example provided. - What is wrong with the first line with the \hbox? This
stretched text is as long as the second line and uses the whole text width.
The third line has a width of 10cm as it seems.
\ruledhbox to 5cm{\stretched{to the limit}}
means that the box has 5cm, but \stretched must use some horizontal size
(i.e \hsize)
to stretch the text. The twos are different lengths: it doesn't make much
sense to strecth the text to the limit to its natural width (yes, it
makes sense --- stretched is nil)
try
\ruledhbox to 5cm{\stretched{to the limit}}
\ruledhbox to 5cm{\hsize=5cm\stretched{to the limit}}
\ruledhbox to 5cm{\hsize=0cm\stretched{to the limit}}
\ruledhbox{\stretched{to the limit}}
\ruledhbox{\stretched[width=10cm]{to the limit}}
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize behaviour
Am 03.07.2012 um 21:43 schrieb Meer, H. van der: I do not understand the workings of the itemize. What I want is two nested itemlists. The outer one unpacked, the inner one packed. In the inner one the itemlist should be joinedup with the text before it. I do not get this working, see the examples. The inner list is separated from the Intro to inner list. It looks like the joinedup in the second example has no effect, because deleting it makes no difference. Switching the joinedup over to the outer itemize in the third example pulls everything together and destroys the unpacked of the first list. How to achieve the following? -- - Intro to inner list o one inner list o two inner list - second outer item -- You need the “paragraph” option. \starttext \setupitemgroup[itemize][1][4,unpacked] \setupitemgroup[itemize][2][5,packed,paragraph] \startitemize \startitem Intro to inner list. \startitemize \startitem one inner list \stopitem \startitem two inner list \stopitem \stopitemize \stopitem \startitem second outer item \stopitem \stopitemize \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] itemize behaviour
Thanks. Is the [joinedup] deprecated? Or has it another use? Hans van der Meer On 5 jul. 2012, at 20:16, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: You need the “paragraph” option. \starttext \setupitemgroup[itemize][1][4,unpacked] \setupitemgroup[itemize][2][5,packed,paragraph] ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Arbitrary font size
I would like to know if there is a command like \tfn{0.9} which would allow
the user to specify an arbitrary font scale factor since the built-in \tfa,
\tfb, \tfc, \tfd, \tfx, and \tfxx are insufficient for one of my projects.
Troy Henderson
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Re: [NTG-context] Broken Nightly 2012.07.04
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 10:04 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: \p_mathspacing = \p_math_spacing I patched math-arr.mkiv, but I am still getting the same error. I don't know why since I replaced all instances of \p_mathspacing with \p_math_spacing and deleted the cache in ~/.texmf-var/. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Arbitrary font size
Am 06.07.2012 um 01:34 schrieb Troy Henderson:
I would like to know if there is a command like \tfn{0.9} which would allow
the user to specify an arbitrary font scale factor since the built-in \tfa,
\tfb, \tfc, \tfd, \tfx, and \tfxx are insufficient for one of my projects.
\definefontsize[n]
\definebodyfontenvironment[default][n=0.9]
\starttext
Normal {\tfa Size A} {\tfb Size B} {\tfn Size N}
\stoptext
You can also change the scale values for \tfa, \tfb etc. with
\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][a=…,b=…,…]
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize behaviour
Am 05.07.2012 um 21:47 schrieb Meer, H. van der: Thanks. Is the [joinedup] deprecated? Or has it another use? The “joinedup” option works as intended, the problem in your example is that the inner itemgroup acts different for the first item. When you use ”joinedup” context ignores the “before” value which is inserted before the first item but in the inner item group context uses the “inbetween” value of the previous/outer itemgroup and you have to use the “paragraph” keyword for the inner itemgroup to prevent this. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Arbitrary font size
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:34:40PM -0500, Troy Henderson wrote:
I would like to know if there is a command like \tfn{0.9} which would allow
the
user to specify an arbitrary font scale factor since the built-in \tfa, \tfb,
\
tfc, \tfd, \tfx, and \tfxx are insufficient for one of my projects.
For one time uses, I use \definedfont[Serif sa 5] etc.
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Re: [NTG-context] Broken Nightly 2012.07.04
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 10:04 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: \p_mathspacing = \p_math_spacing I patched math-arr.mkiv, but I am still getting the same error. I don't know why since I replaced all instances of \p_mathspacing with \p_math_spacing and deleted the cache in ~/.texmf-var/. Do you rebuild the format ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
