Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote:

 Out of curiosity, has anyone tried porting ConTeXt to the UWIN
 environment?

 no, honestly  the binaries from A. Kakuto are
ok, and also the mingw version works.
The Lua scripts are almost OS independent and the TeX code is
OS independent (ok I should say almost too)
and very likely a uwin porting is (a bit or much) slower  than the native
one
so...

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Re: [NTG-context] Mtxrun.exe in minimals not working.

2013-06-14 Thread Daniel Grycman
It works.

Best regards,
Daniel

Von meinem mobilen Endgerät gesendet. / Send from my mobil device.

Am 13.06.2013 um 13:04 schrieb Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
 Am 10.06.2013 10:40, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:15 AM, DB wrote:
 I just downloaded the latest version of the standalone package (2013-06-08,
 09:15). When I run first-setup.bat, mtxrun.exe crashes just as it's about 
 to
 start downloading the files. It's impossible to get any further.
 
 How exactly does it crash? Is some dll missing? An error in lua code?
 (I don't have windows at hand to try.)
 
 Just tried to update and 'mtxrun.exe' crashes (APPCRASH) here too.
 
 Is it working again? I see that a new LuaTeX dll has been compiled by
 Akira Kakuto two days ago.
 
 Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up

2013-06-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de wrote:


 To gather information about ConTeXt I have
 - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf)
 - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen
 - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth


I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly
 because it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community
 at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of
 ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What
 else should I be doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt?


you have missed
-  read the source
Take a problem, grep the source see how Hans addresses the problem.
There are examples on how to use a feature that sometime are not explained
in manuals.

I think that here mkiv is better than latex (oh, well, after all it's the
context ml , right ?).



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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/14/2013 2:46 AM, Bill Meahan wrote:

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried porting ConTeXt to the UWIN
environment?

UWIN is very much like cygwin in being a Unix on Windows
environment. However, it is not based on GNU but is Real Unix code
from ATT Bell Labs. Many of the utilities are simply the latest
versions of the original Version 7 Unix utilities, others are from
BSD, System III and System V. The shell is genuine ksh93, not pdksh
or bash/dash. There is a POSIX dll to provide a complete POSIX api.
This is ATT's own, not the POSIX subsystem from Microsoft. The cc
command is a wrapper for Visual C, gcc or whatever you have. Instead
of the usual autoconf..configure..make..make install dance you can
use nmake.


Just wondering: why are users using unix shells on windows for running 
tex? does it have advantages?


Or is the availability of unix commands the main reason?

Context (mkiv) itself does not rely on anything else than lua and that 
is provided by the engine itself.



I can run the usual Windows context with a bit of fiddling but it
would be nice to use the regular setuptex shell script et. al.


You can try to port the setuptex script to ksh93; it's no problem to add 
that to the minimals then.


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Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up

2013-06-14 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .

Hello,

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:19:44 +0200, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I have been using ConTeXt for over a year now and worked out how to do most 
things I need to do. Every now and then, though, I need to do something that I 
cannot find any information about and in most cases I post a question here on 
the forum. I have received great help here over the months and like to thank 
everyone who took the time to answer my questions. The other day, however, I 
had a problem, posted a message here, got an answer and the answer did not 
quite work; I went back to the forum, got more help...

In the process I realised that I should have been able to work this out myself; I was not 
even able to tweak the first answer and make it work. I am an IT engineer myself, but 
with little time (I guess I am not unique here) and even less experience in TeX. I guess 
what I am saying is, that I would like to gain a much deeper understanding of ConTeXt 
which will allow me to program in ConTeXt rather than just using the 
documented command.

To gather information about ConTeXt I have
- read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf)
- bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen
- started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth


this is a normal approach - questioning, searching for answers... It's the same 
for ConTeXt as for LaTeX.

Personally, I started with Ltx and migrated to Ctx some years ago.

Big advantages of Ctx are:

- This forum is very alive, almost all questions are answered in short time.

- Ctx document is much more customizable by standard Ctx commands, i.e. - compared with 
Ltx - you don't need to go in the Ltx source and investigate how to do this-or-that. Ltx 
seems to me a bit rigid - it's not so easy to change style of heads, special 
paragraphs, enumerations, ...

- Ctx is still developed; AFAIK Ltx ver. 3.? is being prepared/issued several 
(- at least 5 -) years.

- Ctx: Some features - if they seem useful - may be implemented on-demand, so 
they may be ready to use with a next beta (thanks mainly Hans; as well as Wolfgand, 
Aditya...).

- Although Ctx wiki is not best manual one could imagine, (pros:) it is still 
maintained and developed (cons: some info may be obsolete, some articles may be 
written in old-style fashion...)

- Ltx: I don't know how far Ltx is bound with Lua and how this relation is documented; I 
guess poorly. As Ctx is concerned, many (almost all?) things of TeX/Ctx core may be 
accessible/hookable by Lua - this is a great feature; and IMHO: as if you are 
normal programmer, programming by Lua should be much more quicker for you 
than doing things by TeX macro language.

So, my personal advice would be - try to stay with Ctx, I believe after some initial 
problems/obstacles you'll be becoming master and Ctx will become a good 
slave.

Best regards,

Lukas



I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly because 
it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community at my 
disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of ConTeXt. 
Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What else should I be 
doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt?

Regards,
Malte.

PS: Just to be clear; I don't mean for the above to be conceived as 
shortcomings of ConTeXt, rather I think of them as shortcomings of myself. The 
developers of ConTeXt have done a fantastic job and I really enjoy writing in 
ConTeXt and looking at the output.



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Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up

2013-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/14/2013 9:17 AM, luigi scarso wrote:




On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de
mailto:ma...@stien.de wrote:


To gather information about ConTeXt I have
- read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf)
- bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen
- started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth


I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX
mainly because it would mean having a lot more literature and a
broader community at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command
structure and output of ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am
I on the right track? What else should I be doing or reading to
really break into ConTeXt?


you have missed
-  read the source
Take a problem, grep the source see how Hans addresses the problem.
There are examples on how to use a feature that sometime are not
explained in manuals.


other resources:

- the wiki
- the test suite (lots of small examples)
- modules by (e.g. wolfgangs modules are mkiv compliant)
- maybe examples on stack exchange (there are nice ones there)
- sites like http://randomdeterminism.wordpress.com

and probably more

Hans



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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Bill Meahan

Hans wrote:

Just wondering: why are users using unix shells on windows for
running tex? does it have advantages?

Or is the availability of unix commands the main reason?

In no particular order:

The Unix utilities, richer scripting language, compatibility with
existing Unix systems one might need to deal with. Familiarity for
those of us who have spent many more years working with Unix than
Windows.

If you need/want a GUI interface, Windows is great and that's where
the applications are, for the most part.
If you need/want a command-line environment, Unix is much more
capable and powerful than the DOS world of the Windows command line.

Something like UWIN or Cygwin allows one to have both.

I have no familiarity at all with Macs since using the original Mac
Plus to publish a newsletter in the late 1980's so I'm not
slighting/disparaging Macs in any way. I won't comment on what I
don't know about.

[Bill Meahan] 

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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Jacob Peck

On 6/14/2013 6:58 AM, Bill Meahan wrote:

Hans wrote:


Just wondering: why are users using unix shells on windows for

running tex? does it have advantages?


Or is the availability of unix commands the main reason?

In no particular order:

The Unix utilities, richer scripting language, compatibility with
existing Unix systems one might need to deal with. Familiarity for
those of us who have spent many more years working with Unix than
Windows.

If you need/want a GUI interface, Windows is great and that's where
the applications are, for the most part.
If you need/want a command-line environment, Unix is much more
capable and powerful than the DOS world of the Windows command line.

Something like UWIN or Cygwin allows one to have both.

I have no familiarity at all with Macs since using the original Mac
Plus to publish a newsletter in the late 1980's so I'm not
slighting/disparaging Macs in any way. I won't comment on what I
don't know about.

[Bill Meahan]
Agreed completely.  That being said, I run the Windows ConTeXt 
standalone through cygwin, because it just works.


--Jake

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[NTG-context] TEXpage and footnotes

2013-06-14 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
Dear list,

is there any way to get notes (footnotes and linenotes) within a TEXpage?

I thought I'd seen a sample PDF sent to this list, but I can't recall
the date or who was the sender.

Many thanks for your help,


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Re: [NTG-context] TEXpage and footnotes

2013-06-14 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:


Dear list,

is there any way to get notes (footnotes and linenotes) within a TEXpage?

I thought I'd seen a sample PDF sent to this list, but I can't recall
the date or who was the sender.


Essentially, TEXpage is a fancy \frame (which, in turn, is a fancy \vbox). 
So, you cannot get the regular footnote mechanism inside TEXpage. If you 
do need footnotes, you can use localfootnotes:


\starttext
\startTEXpage[width=0.6\textwidth, offset=3mm]
  \startlocalfootnotes
  Knuth:\footnote{The creator of \TEX}
  \input knuth

  \placelocalfootnotes
  \stoplocalfootnotes
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Bill Meahan wrote:
 Out of curiosity, has anyone tried porting ConTeXt to the UWIN
 environment?

 UWIN is very much like cygwin in being a Unix on Windows
 environment. However, it is not based on GNU but is Real Unix code
 from ATT Bell Labs. Many of the utilities are simply the latest
 versions of the original Version 7 Unix utilities, others are from
 BSD, System III and System V. The shell is genuine ksh93, not pdksh
 or bash/dash. There is a POSIX dll to provide a complete POSIX api.
 This is ATT's own, not the POSIX subsystem from Microsoft. The cc
 command is a wrapper for Visual C, gcc or whatever you have. Instead
 of the usual autoconf..configure..make..make install dance you can
 use nmake.

 I can run the usual Windows context with a bit of fiddling but it
 would be nice to use the regular setuptex shell script et. al.

I need to make extra effort to get to a windows machine, but if
existing windows binaries work and all you need is a modification is
the two shell scripts to downlad ConTeXt and to set the paths, it
might be easy to add support. However, I have no clue how to even
download UWIN.

Now that Jacob mentioned it: I didn't think of the fact that one might
not necessarily need special cygwin binaries to run ConTeXt in cygwin.
If a simple modification in first-setup.sh and setuptex can do the
job, feel free to suggest the change (platform detection).

If existing binaries don't work, you can write a tutorial (an article
for ConTeXt journal) about how to compile luatex and xetex with nmake.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] Alignment of inmframed

2013-06-14 Thread Aditya Mahajan
\inmframed (and by extension \definemathframed[...][location=low,...]) 
does not get the right vertical space. For example,


\starttext
\startformula
  \ln (1+x) = \inmframed{x - {\frac {x^2}{2}}} + \frac{x^3}{3}-\cdots.
\stopformula
\stoptext

Note that the two fractions do not align at the horizontal bar.

Is it possible for all expressions to be aligned at the math axis? 
Aditya

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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Jacob Peck

On 6/14/2013 3:05 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


Now that Jacob mentioned it: I didn't think of the fact that one might
not necessarily need special cygwin binaries to run ConTeXt in cygwin.
If a simple modification in first-setup.sh and setuptex can do the
job, feel free to suggest the change (platform detection).
My changes were simple - I used the setuptex file that came with 
standalone, and tweaked it ever so slightly.


https://gist.github.com/gatesphere/0afaf5c2c647430ff653

Save that as .setuptex in ~ (home directory) then add the line

source /home/PeckJ/.setuptex /cygdrive/c/context/tex

to .bashrc, and you should be good to go.  I did install 
(first-setup.bat) from a Windows shell, however, and that took a few 
tweaks because I'm behind a corporate firewall, but that's a different 
story all together.


Hope this helps,
--Jake
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Re: [NTG-context] TEXpage and footnotes

2013-06-14 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 14/06/13 20:43, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Jun 2013, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
 Dear list,

 is there any way to get notes (footnotes and linenotes) within a TEXpage?

 I thought I'd seen a sample PDF sent to this list, but I can't recall
 the date or who was the sender.
 
 Essentially, TEXpage is a fancy \frame (which, in turn, is a fancy \vbox). 
 So, you cannot get the regular footnote mechanism inside TEXpage. If you 
 do need footnotes, you can use localfootnotes:

Many thanks for your reply, Aditya.

And how could I get linenotes into TEXpage?

There seems not to be such a thing as locallinenotes.

Many thanks for your help,


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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Jacob Peck wrote:
 On 6/14/2013 3:05 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 Now that Jacob mentioned it: I didn't think of the fact that one might
 not necessarily need special cygwin binaries to run ConTeXt in cygwin.
 If a simple modification in first-setup.sh and setuptex can do the
 job, feel free to suggest the change (platform detection).

 My changes were simple - I used the setuptex file that came with standalone,
 and tweaked it ever so slightly.

 https://gist.github.com/gatesphere/0afaf5c2c647430ff653

So basically all you did was replacing platform detection with
platform=mswin
and commented out three lines of code that notify about the change?
(Did you just find those lines annoying or did they actually fail to
work?)

Just curious: what does
uname -s
uname -m
return on cygwin or what is the best way to detect windows in shell?
(I believe that should be easy enough.)

 Save that as .setuptex in ~ (home directory) then add the line

 source /home/PeckJ/.setuptex /cygdrive/c/context/tex
 to .bashrc, and you should be good to go.

In that case I would use
export PATH=/cygdrive/c/context/tex/texm-mswin/bin:$PATH
instead, but of course it's your choice.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Alignment of inmframed

2013-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/14/2013 9:06 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

\inmframed (and by extension \definemathframed[...][location=low,...])
does not get the right vertical space. For example,

\starttext
\startformula
   \ln (1+x) = \inmframed{x - {\frac {x^2}{2}}} + \frac{x^3}{3}-\cdots.
\stopformula
\stoptext

Note that the two fractions do not align at the horizontal bar.

Is it possible for all expressions to be aligned at the math axis? Aditya


like this?

\unprotect

\newcount\c_pack_framed_mc

\unexpanded\def\mcframed
  {\doifnextoptionalelse\pack_framed_mc_yes\pack_framed_mc_nop}

\unexpanded\def\pack_framed_mc_begin
  {\bgroup
   \global\advance\c_pack_framed_mc\plusone
   \edef\pack_framed_mc_one{mcf:1:\number\c_pack_framed_mc}%
   \edef\pack_framed_mc_two{mcf:2:\number\c_pack_framed_mc}%
   \lower\dimexpr\MPy\pack_framed_mc_two-\MPy\pack_framed_mc_one\relax
   \hbox\bgroup
   \xypos\pack_framed_mc_one}

\unexpanded\def\pack_framed_mc_end
  {\egroup
   \egroup}

\unexpanded\def\pack_framed_mc_nop#1%
  {\pack_framed_mc_begin
   \mframed{\xypos\pack_framed_mc_two#1}%
   \pack_framed_mc_end}

\unexpanded\def\pack_framed_mc_yes[#1]#2%
  {\pack_framed_mc_begin
   \mframed[#1]{\xypos\pack_framed_mc_two#2}%
   \pack_framed_mc_end}

\protect

\starttext

\startformula
\ln (1+x) = \mcframed{x - {\frac {x^2}{\frac{x^3}{\frac{x^3}{3} 
+ \frac{x^3}{3}-\cdots.

\stopformula

\startformula
\ln (1+x) = 
\mcframed[background=color,backgroundcolor=red,foregroundcolor=white,frame=off]{x 
- {\frac {x^2}{\frac{x^3}{\frac{x^3}{3} + \frac{x^3}{3}-\cdots.

\stopformula

\stoptext


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[NTG-context] MOving from MkII to MkIV / EPUB

2013-06-14 Thread Gerben Wierda
Hello folks,

I have a ConTeXt Project for a small and simple book, that has the 'basic 
example' project structure with .../images, .../chapters, .../products etc. I 
use a Makefile to comppile the book when in the .../chapters directory, as 
attached below. I use texexec --pdf and probably ConTeXt MkII from the MacTeX 
2012 distribution.

I'd like to make an EPUB from this book as well. I suspect that means going 
over to LuaTeX/MkIV and doing extra stuff. I got lost in the ConTeXt 
documentation (for as much as there is, old and new) and would appreciate an 
instruction on how to do this that does not suppose I am a ConTeXt wizard who 
is doing stuff like this daily. Is there such a thing?

Gerben


OPEN=echo
MODE=--mode=standalone
ONCE=--once

.SUFFIXES: .pdf .tex .open

.pdf.open:
open $

.tex.pdf:
texexec --pdf ${MODE} ${ONCE} $

IMAGEDIR=../images
MPDIR=../mp
PRODUCTSDIR=../products

TEXS=c_loosely.tex c_standard.tex c_problem.tex c_index.tex c_endnotes.tex \
c_better.tex
OPENS=c_loosely.open c_standard.open c_problem.open c_better.open
PDFS=c_loosely.pdf c_standard.pdf c_problem.pdf c_better.pdf
CDISCRETEIMAGES=
CLOGICIMAGES=
BOOKIMAGES= ${CDISCRETEIMAGES} ${CLOGICIMAGES}

#.PHONY: $(OPENS)

default:
make ONCE=--once book-open

full:
make ONCE= book-open

all:$(PDFS)

clean:
rm %*

all-open:   $(OPENS)

book-open: book
open prd_book.pdf

book: prd_book.pdf

prd_book.pdf: ${PRODUCTSDIR}/prd_book.tex $(TEXS) $(BOOKIMAGES)
make MODE=--mode=editor ONCE=${ONCE} ${PRODUCTSDIR}/prd_book.pdf



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Re: [NTG-context] UWIN?

2013-06-14 Thread Jacob Peck

On 6/14/2013 4:14 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Jacob Peck wrote:

On 6/14/2013 3:05 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

Now that Jacob mentioned it: I didn't think of the fact that one might
not necessarily need special cygwin binaries to run ConTeXt in cygwin.
If a simple modification in first-setup.sh and setuptex can do the
job, feel free to suggest the change (platform detection).

My changes were simple - I used the setuptex file that came with standalone,
and tweaked it ever so slightly.

https://gist.github.com/gatesphere/0afaf5c2c647430ff653

So basically all you did was replacing platform detection with
 platform=mswin
and commented out three lines of code that notify about the change?
(Did you just find those lines annoying or did they actually fail to
work?)

I just found them annoying - precisely because they worked :p

Just curious: what does
 uname -s
 uname -m
return on cygwin or what is the best way to detect windows in shell?
(I believe that should be easy enough.)

$ uname -s; uname -m; uname -o
CYGWIN_NT-5.1
i686
Cygwin

You could test if `uname -s` starts with CYGWIN, or if `uname -o` 
equals Cygwin... another way is to check $OSTYPE:


$ echo $OSTYPE
cygwin


Save that as .setuptex in ~ (home directory) then add the line

source /home/PeckJ/.setuptex /cygdrive/c/context/tex
to .bashrc, and you should be good to go.

In that case I would use
 export PATH=/cygdrive/c/context/tex/texm-mswin/bin:$PATH
instead, but of course it's your choice.
Is that all the script does?  I've never read it completely, just 
tweaked it until it worked.


Ah well, my setup works just fine :)

--Jake

Mojca
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[NTG-context] [***SPAM***] Float placement

2013-06-14 Thread Tethys

I'm trying to typeset a book. It has two columns, and some floating
diagrams. My problem is that the floats aren't going where I want
them to and I can't work out how to fix it. My input source looks
something like:

\startcolumnset[foo]
\subject{Blah}

      

\placefigure[here]{First diagram}
{\externalfigure[diagram1.jpg][width=2.3in]}

      

\placefigure[here]{Second diagram}
{\externalfigure[diagram2.jpg][width=2.3in]}

      

\placefigure[here]{Third diagram}
{\externalfigure[diagram3.jpg][width=2.3in]}

      

What I expect to get out is a page something like this (excuse the
ASCII graphics):

+-+
| |
|  Blah       |
|         |
|     |
|         |
|       +--+  |
|   |  |  |
|   |  |  |
|  +--+ |  |  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  +--+ |  |  |
|   First diagram   |  |  |
|   +--+  |
|         Third diagram   |
|         |
|             |
|         |
|  +--+       |
|  |  |       |
|  |  |       |
|  |  |       |
|  +--+   |
|   Second diagram|
| |
|         |
|         |
| |
+-+

What I'm actually getting out is this:

+-+
| |
|  Blah +--+  |
|   |  |  |
|   |  |  |
|       |  |  |
|       +--+  |
|    Second diagram   |
| |
|  +--+ +--+  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  |  | |  |  |
|  +--+ |  |  |
|   First diagram   |  |  |
|   |  |  |
|       |  |  |
|       |  |  |
|       +--+  |
| Third diagram   |
|         |
|             |
|             |
|             |
|         |
| |
|         |
|         |
|         |
| |
+-+

Even though there is sufficient space in the first
column, the second float is always being moved up
to the top of the second column. I've tried pretty
much every combination of here, force and always
as the location keyword for the \placefloat, but
it doesn't make any difference.

Any idea what I can do to get the placement I
want? The deadline for going to press is rapidly
approaching and I'm getting a little concerned!

Thanks,

Tet
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