Re: [NTG-context] Accessibility and Tagged PDFs: Bugs and Feature Requests

2015-07-01 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/28/2015 12:59 PM, Dr. Dominik Klein wrote:


3.) Tag names of the resulting tag structure:
Section 14.8.4 of [1] defines standard structure types, such as ,
,  etc. Context creates a tag-tree that uses names directly
representing the structure names of the context laguage, such as
. This should however be mapped to something standard,
such as . Interestingly these mappings seem to have been considered
in strc-tag.mkiv but I was unable to generate such a tagged pdf.
Editing/Outcommenting things in strc-tag.mkiv didn't work for me. It
would be nice if there was a switch somewhere, i.e.
\setuptagging[state=start,tagnames=pdf17] - or maybe I overlooked
something?


The set of those standard tags is rather limited and imo one of the 
craziest things in pdf as we then end up with abuse of those html tags 
(and probably endless discussions on what to map onto what). I don't 
even have a clue what it would add to the concept either. Reflow is a 
braindead thing anyway.



4.) Acrobat Pro always complains that the language for the whole
document is not set.


I don't have the latest version of pro (a bit expensive for the few 
times that i need it - when we have to produce pdf it always has to be 
rather old fashioned as printing houses want pdf from the previous 
century).



5.) Tables
The generated structure looks something like this:

  

...
  

  ...

Here, not only are the tag names non-compliant, also the tag structure
should distinguish between the table header (THead), and table rows
(TBody), c.f. Section 14.8.4.3.1 of [1]. A simple heuristic would be
to always put the first line into THead tags, and the rest of the able
into TBody.


Hm. It's just structure so I'm not sure what compliant means. If someone 
wants an html representation then it's better to use the export and 
apply some transformation on the generic structures (one that matches 
expections, that can differ).


When we start tagging tables in details in pdf we probably also need to 
add all kind of extra attributes and then we need to do that for more 
than tables. It's not so much impossible (as most info is present) but 
more an extremely boring thing to do and no (free) application uses that 
info anyway.



6.) It would be nice if a flat tag structure could be created
optionally. This is not a required feature according to [1], and in fact
a properly nested structure is surely preferable for the final output;
for debugging or checking during document creation however, a flat
structure tree sometimes is easier to browse through.


I'm not sure what is meant with flat.


All in all, these seem to be the only issues that prevent accessible PDF
documents with context. For those within an organization where
accessibility is required legally for all publications, compliance to at
least Acrobat Pro's checks is a huge issue. I do not know how difficult
these things are to implement in Context (personally I am just lost in
the code), but looking at e.g. tex.stackexchange
for question related to accessibility, this is indeed a major obstacle
for several people.


In fact adding pdf tagging to context was rather easy. Some time was 
spend on getting it done efficiently but it's a rather non-intrusive bit 
of code. When I'd done it I only cleaned it up a bit when the export 
option was added (as some code is shared) but I have to admit that I 
never use it. Luigi and I did look into properties a whiel ago and that 
was added then.


So, it's not that difficult to add features, more a matter of priorities 
and motivation (apart from the fact that my acrobat is a bit old by now 
so I cannot really test).


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Accessibility and Tagged PDFs: Bugs and Feature Requests

2015-07-01 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/28/2015 12:59 PM, Dr. Dominik Klein wrote:


/Artifact
   BMC
   ..
   EMC

or in an advanced way with /Artifact PropertyList where the type of
Artifact can be defined. It would be nice if those elements that are not
included in the tag tree would be marked as artifacts by default. The
same holds for \startelement[ignore] when one wants to explicitly remove
something from the structure tree.


i'll add the simple variant (i see no need to add properties to 
something that is supposed to be ignored anyway)


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Re: [NTG-context] Accessibility and Tagged PDFs: Bugs and Feature Requests

2015-07-01 Thread Hans Hagen

On 6/28/2015 12:59 PM, Dr. Dominik Klein wrote:

2.) Images without alternate text:
According to Section 14.9.3 of [1], alternate descriptions in human
readable text should be provided for images. It would be really helpful,
if these could be defined in the source tex file, and then automatically
added when creating the object in the structure tree. I.e. it would be
nice to have something like:


i'll pass the label to the tag as alt text

\externalfigure[t:/sources/cow.pdf][label=whatever]

(a relative simple extension as we already have label as well as alt in 
images)


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[NTG-context] Bibliography

2015-07-01 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .

Hello,

I have a bibliography database in Lua.
I suppose to use this DB to create a list of publications with Lua and 
\startpublication ... \stoppublication.
So I will get something like:


% Will be generated by Lua, but for now >>
\startpublication
  [k=me,
   t=article,
   a=LPr,
   y=2000,
   s=Shr,
   n=1,
  ]
  \city{Prg}
\stoppublication
% Will be generated by Lua, but for now <<

\setuppublications[alternative=apa]

\starttext
  Hello \cite[me] -- \cite[Shr] -- \cite[1].

  \placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext


The problem is that \cite produces "(Xx, )" and no list of 
publications is generated.

What am I doing wrong?

NB: I learned from
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv
and
http://www.let.rug.nl/alfa/texmf/tetex30/context/bib/bibmod-doc.pdf

My one-off is that I have not a .bib file and I would like to avoid .bib 
generation and use of BibTeX if possible.
I guess that having a biblio DB in Lua is handy enough as Lua can convert the 
DB in whatever format - eg. via

context.startpublication(...)
 ...
context.stoppublication()

So, how to "handle" the bibliography in a best manner?

Than you in advance,

Lukas


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Description: Adobe PDF document
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