Re: [NTG-context] docs
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Hans Hagen wrote: > William D. Neumann wrote: > > >And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use > >ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much > >easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play > >like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, mean > > > eh .. what's wrong with the footnotes? Set a page in two column with footnotes set to span just the column where the mark is placed (I forget the full commands to do this... I could look them up, but you probably know what they are...). Now, place a footnote. In LaTeX, you get something that looks like: text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text[1] texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text -- text text text text [1] footnote foot text text text text footnote footnote text text text text footnote footnote text text text text In ConTeXt you get something like: text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text[1] texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text text text text texttext text text text -- [1] footnote foot footnote footnote footnote footnote That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would be *very* pleased to hear about it... William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] docs
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Even if math is "typical" for TeX, it's not typical for ConTeXt. > > I think the typical university user is content with LaTeX. > ConTeXt is for those who like to design their own layout. And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, means that I have to constantly turn back to LaTeX whenever I need to write something for work or school. > Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. > But I'm no scientific user. And for those of us who are, bibliographies are *crucial* and should be considered a basic part of any tpesetting program that wants to be taken seriously. And while m-bib is usually sufficient, it too has enough quirks that it's just not worth the time to even bother if you want to submit a paper that has a special format requirement for the bibliographies. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] t-nath difficulty
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Gary Pajer wrote: > In the following code, the first formula typesets as I want, and the > second doesn't. But the syntax in the second looks correct. > Bug or feature? or setup problem? > > \usemodule[nath] > \starttext > > $ y = (1 + \frac{}{a}{b}) $ > > $ y = (1 + \frac{a}{b}) $ > \stoptext What problem are you having? I tried this example and got the following output (only typset nicely, of course): y = (1 + (/a)b) y = (1 + a/b) Which appears to be the correct output. Are you using the current t-nath/t-amsl (from december 2003, I believe)? William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Eeeep! m-bib/bibtex stopped working
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Files don't *normally* disappear on you, so almost certainly something > has changed in your TeX setup. Perhaps you re-installed something > and forgot to re-run mktexlsr? Or perhaps an enviroment variable that > has been changed? OK, I have no idea how this happened, but somehow my *.bst files were all renamed to *.bst.bst -- this was the problem. How I missed this yesterday is also unknown (I guess I was tired and cross-eyed at that point...). I've always said the best time to debug is first thing in the morning after a good breakfast. I guess I was right... Thanks again. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Eeeep! m-bib/bibtex stopped working
For some reason I cannot get bibtex to create my bibliography files for a paper typeset in context with m-bib. When I run bibtex, I get the following error. [231] 10:25AM% bibtex clarifyingObfuscation_ctx ~/Sandia/52597/Whitebox/pureWhite/current This is BibTeX, Version 0.99c (Web2C 7.5.2) The top-level auxiliary file: clarifyingObfuscation_ctx.aux I couldn't open style file cont-no.bst ---line 2 of file clarifyingObfuscation_ctx.aux : \bibstyle{cont-no : } I'm skipping whatever remains of this command I found no style file---while reading file clarifyingObfuscation_ctx.aux (There were 2 error messages) The aux file contais just the following three lines: \citation{*} \bibstyle{cont-no} \bibdata{crypto} And the m-bib setup lines I am using are as follows: \def\brnum#1% {[#1]} \usemodule[bib] \setupbibtex[database=crypto] % use crypto.bib %\setuppublications[alternative=aps] % you don't have the 'aps' choice, yet \setuppublications[numbering=yes,refcommand=num,numbercommand=\brnum] \setuppublicationlist[author=\normalauthor, artauthor=\normalauthor, editor=\normalauthor, surnamesep=, namesep={, }, finalnamesep={, }, lastnamesep={, }, firstnamesep=\ ] I have tried copying the *.bst files into the working directory, which did not work (I get the exact same error from bibtex). Bibtex runs just fine on my latex typeset files, so it is not a problem with bibtex itself. Does anyone have any suggestions? William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Wrapping around footnotes
Well, that's sort of OK if you only have one or two footnotes and can fiddle with the manual placement of the footnotes. What I want is for the columns in the document to flow around the footnotes automatically througout the entire document. If you look at the following two (essentially the same) PDFs: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~wneumann/files/HORSE-ctx.zip http://www.cs.unm.edu/~wneumann/files/HORSE-ltx.zip you can see what I am trying to achieve. The second file (prepared with Latex) flows automatically around the footnotes on pages 1 and 3, while the first file (prepared with Context) does not, subsequently looking awkward (if not ugly) and wasting valuable space. does anyone know how to acheive the flow of the Latex processed paper? Thanks for the suggestion though, I do appreciate the help. William D. Neumann On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Willi Egger wrote: > Hi William, > > I do not know whether I can make you happy ... > > I played with the following setup, which gives a comparable result, > though it needs some manual actions: > > \starttext > \startcolumnset[n=2] > \startlocalfootnotes[n=0] > text with footnotes\footnote{a tip} > text > text > \placelocalfootnotes > \column > text > text > text > text > text > \stoplocalfootnotes > \stopcolumnset > \stoptext > > William D. Neumann wrote: > > >I'm preparing a paper in two column format, and I'm having issues with > >footnotes in one column affecting the text in the other column because the > >text in the other column stops at the same spot as the text in the column > >with the footnote rather than typsetting down to the bottom of the page. > > > >For example, I am currently getting: > > > >blah, blah, blah1yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >-- > >1 footnote text > >here. footnote > >text here. > >footnote text here. > > > >Instead of this (which I want) > > > >blah, blah, blah1yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer > >-- yammer, yammer, yammer > >1 footnote text yammer, yammer, yammer > >here. footnote yammer, yammer, yammer > >text here. yammer, yammer, yammer > >footnote text here. yammer, yammer, yammer > > > >How can this be done? I've tried playing with the various setup commands > >for columns and footnotes, but nothing seems to work. Any help is > >appreciated. --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Wrapping around footnotes
I'm preparing a paper in two column format, and I'm having issues with footnotes in one column affecting the text in the other column because the text in the other column stops at the same spot as the text in the column with the footnote rather than typsetting down to the bottom of the page. For example, I am currently getting: blah, blah, blah1yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer -- 1 footnote text here. footnote text here. footnote text here. Instead of this (which I want) blah, blah, blah1yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer blah, blah, blah yammer, yammer, yammer -- yammer, yammer, yammer 1 footnote text yammer, yammer, yammer here. footnote yammer, yammer, yammer text here. yammer, yammer, yammer footnote text here. yammer, yammer, yammer How can this be done? I've tried playing with the various setup commands for columns and footnotes, but nothing seems to work. Any help is appreciated. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] double lines in tables?
Is there a way to create tables with double horizontal lines in ConTexXt? Using: \HL \HL Just causes ConTeXt to ignore one of them. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \setuphead question (long section lines not wrapping)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Hans Hagen wrote: > \startstandardmakeup >\startlocalfootnotes >Thanks \footnote{test} >\stoplocalfootnotes >\vfill \placelocalfootnotes > \stopstandardmakeup This works fine for separate titlepages, is there a similar technique for doing this when the title is on the first page of the text (see the attached dvi from my last message for an example)? I had tried using local footnotes during my experimentation the other day, but they always appeared between the title and the text, rather than below the first column of text, as is the norm. Again, this is a minor issue, as a combination of \high, \footnotetext, and \resetnumber work just fine as a quick hack... > \setuplabeltext[en][section={{},{.}},subsection={{},{.}}] > > should do that; i don't know why it does not break in your case Ah...thank you; this does work. Although I must say, I would *never* have gotten this from the documentation which treats \setuphead and it's command parameter as the way to control the appearance of sectioning titles, and never provides a backreference to \setuplabeltext, which is tucked away in the chapter on language specific issues. And even there, the documentation never comes close to describing the behavior shown above. Thank goodness for the living breating documentation that this list provides then, eh? Thank you again, William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \setuphead question (long section lines not wrapping)
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Hans Hagen wrote: > hm, must be some kind of complex thing then, what is \thanks supposed to do? No, it's not complex at all, and the answer ended up being trivial. The \thanks command is essentially a footnote to be used in the title portion of an article (or book, etc.) -- the big problem I was having was that the footnote mark was appearing fine, but the footnote text was nowhere to be found -- this was solved once I found the essentially hiden \footnotetext command and used that to place the text where I wanted it. After that, I needed to figure out how to reset the footnote counter (which was a pretty minor problem to solve). > \setuplabeltext[en][chapter={{A},{B}}] > > \setuphead[section][separator={XXX}] > > \setuplist[chapter,section][stopper=.] > > \placecontent[criterium=text] > > \chapter{\input tufte \relax} > \section{test} That's not doing what I need. What I need is for the section headings in the text of the article to look like {section number}. {section title} -- I was able to insert the "." between the number and the title easily enough, but my solution turned off line wrapping for the title. I've attached an example that shows both what I am trying to do, and how my solution fails (on page 2 of the accompanying dvi). Thanks, William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker HORSE_ex.zip Description: Zip archive
[NTG-context] \setuphead question (long section lines not wrapping)
I'm trying to layout a paper for a conference that requires a format different from the standard latex layout, and for the most part context has been making this quite easy on me (excluding the four hours I spent trying to mimic the latex \thanks{} construct), however, I've encoutered a new problem that's confusing me. since I'm sure the problem stems from my lack of plain tex and context knowledge, I figured someone here would know what I'm doing wrong, and asking you for help is certainly more pleasant than banging my head for another four hours only to find another trivial solution... My problem is this: I needed to place a "." after the number in the section and subsection headings, so I included the following in my preamble: % setup section headings to include a . after the section number \setuphead [section] [command=\mysec, indentnext=yes] \def\mysec#1#2{#1. #2} \setuphead [subsection] [command=\mysubsec, indentnext=yes] \def\mysubsec#1#2{#1. #2} This works just fine as far as inserting the ".", however, it has the side-effect of not wrapping long section of subsection headings. For example, \subsection[longsubsec]{This is a really long subsection heading that won't wrap} gets typeset all on a single line, which is not good since the paper is set in two columns... So, is there either a better (more proper) way to insert the ".", or at least a better command to use for \mysec and \mysubsec Thanks, William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] m-bib and crossref
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > If you run ConTeXt one more time, you will get: > > Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. > In (Brickell, 1992), pages 1-14. > > The module inserts a 'default' \cite command for the referenced item. This is > exactly the behavior I intended, even if it is not compatible with LaTeX practise. > Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to > minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file. I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles. Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals, etc.). Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I have to play along or go back to LaTeX. > Unfortunately, there is an error in the code that prevents the referenced entry > from automatically appearing in the publication list. > > A quick hack: replace '\completepublications' with > > \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications} > \completepublications Thanks, however there is a slight problem with this method: When I use refcommand=num and numbering=yes (which is required for some publications), then the crossreference in the article entry is corect, e.g. [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. In [11], pages 1-14. However, the entry for the proceedings themselves have the wrong number, they get reset and start over from 1 e.g. [1] Ernest F. Brickell, , editor (1992). 12th Annual International Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA, August 16-20, 1992, Proceedings, number 740 in Lecture Notes in Computer Science. , Springer. Do You know of any way around this, or am I just going to have to manually edit the bbl file? Two more questions: 1: Whenever a reference includes an editor, it is typeset as: (Editor Name), , rest of reference (see above for example). I've tried playing around with the various namesep settings, but I can't get rid of that second ", " pair. How do I get rid of it? 2: As you can see above, I've selected \normalauthor for the typesetting of names in the references, however, whenever a publication has three or more authors, the names are typest in the apa \invertedshortauthor format. Is there some way to override this? Thanks for the help and for the package -- I would hate to have to manually create my list of references for every paper I write. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] m-bib and crossref
I am having a problem with the m-bib module, in that it does not seem to be handling crossrefs properly. For example, in my bibtex database I have the following entries: @inproceedings{ bos92sigs, author = "Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum", title = "Provably Unforgeable Signatures", crossref={CRYPTO92}, pages = "1-14"} @proceedings{CRYPTO92, editor= {Ernest F. Brickell}, title = {12th Annual International Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA, August 16-20, 1992, Proceedings}, booktitle = {Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '92}, publisher = {Springer}, series= {Lecture Notes in Computer Science}, volume= {740}, year = {1992}, isbn = {3-540-57340-2}, bibsource = {DBLP, http://dblp.uni-trier.de} } if I cite bos92sigs in a LaTeX document, the following reference is produced: [3] Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum. Provably unforgeable signatures. In Ernest F. Brickell, editor, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO 92, volume 740 of Lecture Notes in Computer Science, pages 1-14. Springer, 1992. But ConTeXt + m-bib produce: [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. In [??], pages 1-14. What this looks like is that m-bib does not handle bibtex crossrefs properly; it tries to create another entry in the publication list and put a reference to that new entry in the crossrefrencing entries (although it did not add an entry for the CRYPTO 92 proceedings in my publication list...). What it should be doing (according to the bibtexing document) is supplying the missing entries (such as booktitle, publisher, etc.) to the crossreferencing entry, and then creating a new entry in the publication list only if the same item is crossref'ed by min-crossrefs (default=2) normal entries. Is this indeed the case? If so, is there a simple fix (e.g. some option that is not in the m-bib documentation)? Or is there some other bibliography package that handles bibtex crossrefs properly? Thanks, William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context