Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

Mojca Miklavec  scribbled on Friday, 
July 10, 2009 11:21 AM:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:32, Thomas Floeren wrote:
>> Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Thursday,
>> July 09, 2009 8:40 AM: 
>> 
>>> Lutz Haseloff wrote:
 Hi Thomas,
 
 You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too,
 that LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in
 \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
>>> supelec.fr package, here: 
>>> 
>>> http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
>>> 
>>> There might be a difference.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Taco
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.
>> 
>> luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate
>> gives "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for
>> mtxrun --selfupdate. context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun |
>> unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'".  
>> 
>> I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions
>> of luatex work). 
>> 
>> Any hint?
> 
> Maybe you need the latest ConTeXt to be able to use the latest luatex?
> 1.) you can fetch luatex from w32tex
> 2.) you might have to use --context=experimental without generating
> formats, then manually overwritting luatex binary and finally
> repeating all the steps to build the formats
> 
> But there's no guarantee (maybe try that in a separate copy of
> minimals). 
> 
> Mojca


Thanks for your help, Mojca.

I installed the experimental minimals and they work fine with luatex 0.42 (the 
'dll-version');
however, the hyphenation problem on XP persists (mac, linux, vista all fine).

\de 
\hyphenation{fräs-schleu-der} 
\starttext 
\hyphenatedword{Frässchleuder} 
\stoptext 

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.42.0-2009071600 (Web2C 2009)
ConTeXt  ver: 2009.07.15 21:49 MKIV  fmt: 2009.7.16  int: english/english


On W32TeX I can only find the same lua-'dll'-version (link to 
ftp://akagi.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp), which already runs (= the one with the 
hyph-problem).

The mingw version ('exe'-version) from Taco (supelec.fr) however I cannot get 
to run, even with the experimental-minimal.


Thanks
Thomas



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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[tomfloeren]

On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:32, Thomas Floeren wrote:
Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Thursday,  
July 09, 2009 8:40 AM:



Lutz Haseloff wrote:

Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too,  
that

LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It
seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.


Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
supelec.fr package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes,
Taco



Hi,

Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.

luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate  
gives "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for  
mtxrun --selfupdate.
context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script  
'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'".


I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions  
of luatex work).


Any hint?


Maybe you need the latest ConTeXt to be able to use the latest luatex?


The latest I find is the 2009-06-14 21:04 (from http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-2.htm) 
; is this correct or am I missing something?



1.) you can fetch luatex from w32tex
2.) you might have to use --context=experimental without generating
formats, then manually overwritting luatex binary and finally
repeating all the steps to build the formats

But there's no guarantee (maybe try that in a separate copy of  
minimals).


Mojca




Thanks a lot
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:32, Thomas Floeren wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Thursday, July 09, 
> 2009 8:40 AM:
>
>> Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>> You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that
>>> LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It
>>> seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
>> supelec.fr package, here:
>>
>> http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
>>
>> There might be a difference.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Taco
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.
>
> luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate gives 
> "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for mtxrun 
> --selfupdate.
> context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 
> 'mtx-context.lua'".
>
> I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions of luatex 
> work).
>
> Any hint?

Maybe you need the latest ConTeXt to be able to use the latest luatex?
1.) you can fetch luatex from w32tex
2.) you might have to use --context=experimental without generating
formats, then manually overwritting luatex binary and finally
repeating all the steps to build the formats

But there's no guarantee (maybe try that in a separate copy of minimals).

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas Floeren wrote:

Hi,

Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.

luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate gives "LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for mtxrun --selfupdate. 
context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'".


I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions of luatex 
work).

Any hint?


I have no idea, and I am not using windows myself either, sorry.

I understand this is a serious problem, but if it works ok on
Vista, then I am even more baffled than you are if it doesn't
work on XP.

Best wishes,
Taco





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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Thursday, July 09, 2009 
8:40 AM:

> Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that
>> LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It
>> seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored. 
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
> supelec.fr package, here:
> 
> http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
> 
> There might be a difference.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco


Hi,

Unfortunately I can not make work the luatetex.exe from your link.

luatools --generate seems to work fine, but luatools --selfupdate gives 
"LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script", same for mtxrun --selfupdate. 
context --make cont-en then gives "MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 
'mtx-context.lua'".

I think I have a 'regular' minimals installation (the dll versions of luatex 
work).

Any hint?

Thanks

thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Peter Rolf]

Lutz Haseloff schrieb:
I use the binaries from 
http://www.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp/kakuto/win32-ptex/web2c75-e.html.

same here (size matters)  :)


(This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009070721 (Web2C 2009))

2009/7/9 Taco Hoekwater mailto:t...@elvenkind.com>>

Lutz Haseloff wrote:

Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think
too, that LuaTex
should hyphenate the word
like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is
ignored.


Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
supelec.fr  package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Lutz Haseloff]

I use the binaries from
http://www.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp/kakuto/win32-ptex/web2c75-e.html.
(This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009070721 (Web2C 2009))

2009/7/9 Taco Hoekwater 

> Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that
>> LuaTex
>> should hyphenate the word
>> like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.
>>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
> supelec.fr package, here:
>
> http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
>
> There might be a difference.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Thursday, July 09, 2009 
8:40 AM:

> Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that
>> LuaTex should hyphenate the word like given in \hyphenation{}. It
>> seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored. 
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
> supelec.fr package, here:
> 
> http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
> 
> There might be a difference.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco

From here http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/luatex/mswin/bin/ or 
there ftp://akagi.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/pub/TeX/win32/. These are DLLs.

Some time ago I tried a lua exe from your link but couldn’t get it to work. 

I will try it again.

Thanks

Thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[tomfloeren]

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:


Thomas Floeren schrieb:


Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Wednesday,  
June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:




Thomas Floeren wrote:


Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
completely ignored. MKII is fine.


Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco





Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with  
0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:


It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure  
reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at  
work, unfortunately).


Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel  
systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.


In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied  
the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including  
binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the  
formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.


Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this  
could be?

Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?


Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009)  
luatex.web >= v13958

MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...





Maybe I should pose my question differently:
Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as  
intended?


(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I  
personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still)  
restricted to MS-XP.

So this problem is of uttermost importance for me.
I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too  
soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)


Here’s the minimal again:

\de
\hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{manövrieren}
\stoptext

Thanks again for any help or hint
Tom


Any help is appreciated
Thanks

Thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Taco Hoekwater]

Lutz Haseloff wrote:

Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex
should hyphenate the word
like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.


Hi guys,

Are you using the binary from minimals, or the binary from the
supelec.fr package, here:

http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

There might be a difference.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Lutz Haseloff]

Hi Thomas,

You are right, "stand-salarm" is definitely wrong. I think too, that LuaTex
should hyphenate the word
like given in \hyphenation{}. It seems that \hyphenation{} is ignored.

Greetings Lutz


2009/7/9 Thomas Floeren 

>
> Hi Lutz,
>
> Thanks for your answer.
> According to my (reformed) Duden both manöv-rieren and manö-vrieren are
> correct (in prereform orthography manöv-rieren was not allowed); see also
> ei-nan-der|ein-an-der, in-te-res-sant|in-ter-es-sant etc.
>
> But this is not the problem. You can try any other arbitrary example:
>
> \de
> \hyphenation{fräs-schleu-der schmutz-be-häl-ter-was-ser-stands-alarm}
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{Frässchleuder}
> \hyphenatedword{Schmutzbehälterwasserstandsalarm}
> \stoptext
>
>
> Greetings
> Thomas
>
>
> 
>
> From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On
> Behalf Of Lutz Haseloff
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:55 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts
>
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to
> hyphenate your word
> after the Duden rules ma-nö-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a
> syllable.
>
> Greetings Lutz
>
> see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren
>
>
>
>
> 2009/7/8 
>
>
>
>On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
>
>
>Thomas Floeren schrieb:
>
> Taco Hoekwater <mailto:t...@elvenkind.com>
> <mailto:t...@elvenkind.com>  scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34
> PM:
>
>
>
>Thomas Floeren wrote:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I stumbled upon a problem with my
> hyphenation list:
>
>In MKIV, all the words in the list
> that contain umlauts are
>completely ignored. MKII is fine.
>
>
>Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard,
> sorry.
>
>(The problem is that the exception handling
> uses \lccodes
>for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite
> wrong). This is
>serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6
> later in the week.
>
>Best wishes,
>Taco
>
>
>Well, in my other mail I said that it worked
> perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:
>
>It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But
> for any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m
> bound at work, unfortunately).
>
>Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines
> on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.
>
>In order to minimize installation differences I have
> even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine
> (including binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the
> formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.
>
>Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the
> reason for this could be?
>Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?
>
>
>Just tried your example code and I also get wrong
> hyphenation on XP.
>
>This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009)
> luatex.web >= v13958
>MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01
>
>Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...
>
>
>
>Maybe I should pose
> my question differently:
>Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as
> intended?
>
>(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I
> personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted
> to MS-XP.
>So this problem is of uttermost importance for me.
>I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too
> soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)
>
>Here’s the minimal again:
>
>\de
>\hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren}
>\starttext
>\hyphenatedword{manövrieren}
>\stoptext
>
>Thanks again for any help or hint
>Tom
>
>
>
>Any hel

Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

 
Hi Lutz,

Thanks for your answer.
According to my (reformed) Duden both manöv-rieren and manö-vrieren are correct 
(in prereform orthography manöv-rieren was not allowed); see also 
ei-nan-der|ein-an-der, in-te-res-sant|in-ter-es-sant etc.

But this is not the problem. You can try any other arbitrary example: 

\de 
\hyphenation{fräs-schleu-der schmutz-be-häl-ter-was-ser-stands-alarm} 
\starttext 
\hyphenatedword{Frässchleuder} 
\hyphenatedword{Schmutzbehälterwasserstandsalarm}
\stoptext 


Greetings
Thomas




From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf 
Of Lutz Haseloff
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:55 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts


Hi Thomas,

after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to 
hyphenate your word
after the Duden rules ma-nö-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a 
syllable.

Greetings Lutz

see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren




2009/7/8 



On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:


Thomas Floeren schrieb: 

Taco Hoekwater <mailto:t...@elvenkind.com> 
<mailto:t...@elvenkind.com>  scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

  

Thomas Floeren wrote:


Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my 
hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that 
contain umlauts are
completely ignored. MKII is fine. 
  

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling 
uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite 
wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 
later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco


Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly 
now with 0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for 
any obscure reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at 
work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on 
Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC. 

In order to minimize installation differences I have 
even copied the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including 
binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... 
but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason 
for this could be?
Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?
  

Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation 
on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) 
luatex.web >= v13958
MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...



Maybe I should pose my 
question differently:
Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as 
intended?

(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I 
personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted to 
MS-XP.
So this problem is of uttermost importance for me. 
I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, 
there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)

Here’s the minimal again:

\de 
\hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren} 
\starttext 
\hyphenatedword{manövrieren} 
\stoptext 

Thanks again for any help or hint
Tom



Any help is appreciated
Thanks

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Lutz Haseloff]

Hi Thomas,

after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to
hyphenate your word
after the Duden rules ma-nö-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a
syllable.

Greetings Lutz

see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren



2009/7/8 

>
> On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
>
>  Thomas Floeren schrieb:
>
> Taco Hoekwater   scribbled on 
> Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:
>
>
>
>  Thomas Floeren wrote:
>
>
>  Hi,
>
> I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:
>
> In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
> completely ignored. MKII is fine.
>
>
>  Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.
>
> (The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
> for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
> serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>
>
>  Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but 
> this isn’t entirely true:
>
> It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I 
> can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).
>
> Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, 
> WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.
>
> In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire 
> context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, 
> texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF 
> hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.
>
> Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?
> Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?
>
>
>  Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.
>
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web >=
> v13958
> MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01
>
> Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...
>
>  Maybe I should pose my question differently:
>
> Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as intended?
>
> (I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I
> personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still) restricted
> to MS-XP.
> So this problem is of uttermost importance for me.
> I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon,
> there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)
>
> Here’s the minimal again:
>
> \de
> \hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren}
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{manövrieren}
> \stoptext
>
> Thanks again for any help or hint
> Tom
>
> Any help is appreciated
> Thanks
>
> Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[thomas . floeren]

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:


Thomas Floeren schrieb:


Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Wednesday,  
June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:




Thomas Floeren wrote:


Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
completely ignored. MKII is fine.


Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco





Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with  
0.40.6, but this isn’t entirely true:


It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure  
reason I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at  
work, unfortunately).


Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel  
systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC.


In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied  
the entire context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including  
binaries, minimals, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the  
formats ... but still no UTF hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.


Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this  
could be?

Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?


Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009)  
luatex.web >= v13958

MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...





Maybe I should pose my question differently:
Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as  
intended?


(I’m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems, I  
personally also prefer working systems, but at work I’m (still)  
restricted to MS-XP.

So this problem is of uttermost importance for me.
I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too  
soon, there are still people out there dependent on those OSs)


Here’s the minimal again:

\de
\hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{manövrieren}
\stoptext

Thanks again for any help or hint
Tom


Any help is appreciated
Thanks

Thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Peter Rolf]

Thomas Floeren schrieb:

Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 
2009 3:34 PM:

  

Thomas Floeren wrote:


Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
completely ignored. MKII is fine. 
  

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco





Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but 
this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I 
can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC. 


In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire 
context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, 
texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF 
hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?
Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?
  

Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web 
>= v13958

MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...



Any help is appreciated
Thanks

Thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas Floeren wrote:
> 
> Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but 
> this isn’t entirely true:
> 
> It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I 
> can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).
> 
> Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, 
> WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC. 
> 
> In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire 
> context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, 
> texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF 
> hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.
> 
> Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?

Not a clue, sorry.

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

Taco Hoekwater  scribbled on Wednesday, June 24, 
2009 3:34 PM:

> Thomas Floeren wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:
>> 
>> In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
>> completely ignored. MKII is fine. 
> 
> Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.
> 
> (The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
> for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
> serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco



Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, but 
this isn’t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason I 
can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I’m bound at work, unfortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, WinXP 
is running nonvirtually on PC. 

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire 
context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals, 
texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF 
hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?
Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?


Any help is appreciated
Thanks

Thomas

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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:




Thomas Floeren wrote:

Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are  
completely ignored. MKII is fine.


Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco


It works perfectly now with lua 40.6!
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas Floeren wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:
>  
> In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely 
> ignored. MKII is fine.

Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco
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[NTG-context] Hyphenation list and umlauts

[Thomas Floeren]

Hi,
 
I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:
 
In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are completely ignored. 
MKII is fine.
 
Example:

\de
\hyphenation{ma-nö-v-rie-ren} 
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{manövrieren}
\stoptext

Is there any workaround for this? (\odiaeresis doesn't work either)
Or do I have an encoding problem?

LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.5-2009061023 (Web2C 2009)
ConTeXt  ver: 2009.06.14 21:01 MKIV  fmt: 2009.6.18


btw, does anybody know a solution for my other small problems in my mail from 
last week?
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20090618.201708.be8aa761.en.html

Any help or hint is really appreciated.
Thanks in advance

Tom

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