Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
- hartelik dankseggen! - What a beatific surprise when I opened my Mail in the late morning for the first time: all my yesterdays problems with marginal notes in ConTeXt and Hans' Code resolved, almost all used commands and elements explained, so that I have won confidence that I shall make it to configure the marginalia in the wanted format and to learn and use ConTeXt. I'm really impressed of your helpfullness! Thank you, Hans, for the improved code and expanation, thank you, Tobias and Aditya for the explanations and the links, also for the correction of the code regarding \plusone (that was the reason for the typeset accent signs ´ instead of superscript numbers in the body text)! Despite your extended help, I have still acquire a lot to build my first little document in ConTeXt - I postponed this learning process to have more certainty that the marginalia question can be resolved and confidence that I can make it. Am 06.06.2008 um 00:24 schrieb Hans Hagen: concerning documentation ... if i had 60 hours in a day keeping up with user demands, developments, my work etc etc takes time too I understand this very well, the more I'm happy for the help. the best resource for special cases is still this mailing list since others may have needed you rfeature before As was demonstrated... I'll come back to this, when certainly needed again. Prachtig wiekenende! Goutgaun! joachim -- Kreimer-de Fries ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
Hey friendly helpers,
I see, this list is one for experts and programmers, less for simple
users. But given that there is no list for beginners of ConTeXt, I make
my last attempt to get help in the following problem:
How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?
quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some
complex setup)
\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}
\def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
\inmargin
{\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
#2}}
\setupinmargin[stack=yes]
\starttext
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
in \in {note} [foo]
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
Hi, Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote: Hey friendly helpers, I see, this list is one for experts and programmers, less for simple users. But given that there is no list for beginners of ConTeXt, I make my last attempt to get help in the following problem: How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt? This may be possible, but if it is, I do not know how. I reply just to let you know that I have read your message. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
In friendly and helpfully answering to my late night question
How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?
Hans Hagen wrote 05.06.2008 at 10:04:
quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some
complex setup)
Before ending this day, I want to thank you for your endeavour (also
for Taco's attentive regret).
Dear Hans, you know what your code produces:
- indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact
that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -
the reader - expects);
- indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.
BUT:
- the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word
following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be
accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a
superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal
note).
AND:
You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you
programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)
user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change
this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated
with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating
effort with OpenOffice Writer).
With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of
the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the
commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http://
texshow.contextgarden.net/
because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last
remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,
neither.
On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly
adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my
intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could
find a solution),
on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the
only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is
not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software
developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about
usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical
value of the old (hand-) typesetting technique of marginal notes has
come out of fashion, what ever...
N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my
intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization
with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word
processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!
Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in
acquiring the skills for ConTeXt, I would like to know:
1.
in your sample code, Hans:
between \starttext and \stoptext you write once (the first time of
occurrence):
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla
but in the second time:
bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla
and then again:
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx}
Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?
2.
the last row of your document text is:
in \in {note} [foo]
in my pdf-output this appears as :
in note 2
This is not reasonable and desired (it should not appear). Was it a
slip of the pen on your side or any purpose, if yes, which one?
All the best and
Goutgaun!
joachim
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
Hi Joachim,
Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla
Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?
Preremark: Usually, in ConTeXt, text in curly braces is printed and in
brackets is not.
In this case, \mnote{xxx} and \mnote[foo]{xxx} print the same, but you
defined a label foo, which you can access later like in See in my
margin note 1 on page 22.
in \in {note} [foo]
in my pdf-output this appears as :
in note 2
Well, this is exactly the purpose, if you want to refer to a previous
margin note, you can access it again. \in[foo] prints the margin-note
number. And \in{note}[foo] prefixes it with the word note. If you
have an setup interactivity, you can click on note 2 and jump to the note.
It might well be that you do not need that feature, but sometimes it
might becomes handy.
Tobias
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
- indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact
that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -
the reader - expects);
you can put anything there the way you want
- indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.
BUT:
- the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word
following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be
accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a
superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal
note).
i'm not sure what accent you mean, anyhow,
\def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
\inmargin
{\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
#2}%
\high{\MyMarginalNote}}
this will put a footnote like number in the text
AND:
You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you
programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)
user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change
this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated
with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating
effort with OpenOffice Writer).
well, there are quite some users here who change code -)
it takes a while but at somepoint any user can define simple macros;
maybe the #1 is confusing but that's just the argument
With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of
the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the
commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http://
texshow.contextgarden.net/
because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last
remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,
neither.
i could have used \definenumber or \definelabel but the shown code was a
quicky; the advantage of the other approach is that you can influence
their rendering
On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly
adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my
intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could
find a solution),
sure; the main probem is that everyone wants something slightly
different and we end up with many commands that need examples and
documentation and then get overseen ... the best resource for special
cases is still this mailing list since others may have needed you
rfeature before
on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the
only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is
not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software
developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about
usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical
value of the old (hand-) typesetting technique of marginal notes has
come out of fashion, what ever...
well, there's actually quite some marginal stuff in context (you don't
wanna know what we need context for ourselves)
you should keep one thing in mind: tex is a 30 year old system (ok it
gets updated now) and some things are simply non trivial and marginal
notes are one of them (the stacking code is quite tricky)
concerning documentation ... if i had 60 hours in a day keeping up
with user demands, developments, my work etc etc takes time too
N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my
intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization
with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word
processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!
Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in
acquiring the skills for ConTeXt, I would like to know:
1.
in your sample code, Hans:
between \starttext and \stoptext you write once (the first time of
occurrence):
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla
but in the second time:
bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla
the [foo] is the optional cross reference; i thought that you might need
that
and then again:
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx}
Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?
2.
the last row of your document text is:
in \in {note} [foo]
in my pdf-output this appears as :
in note 2
This is not reasonable and desired (it should not appear). Was it a
slip of the pen on your side or any purpose, if yes, which one?
huh? if you don't want it, just delete it; that;s the problem with
example code ... all users have different demands -)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
In friendly and helpfully answering to my late night question
How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?
Hans Hagen wrote 05.06.2008 at 10:04:
quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some
complex setup)
Before ending this day, I want to thank you for your endeavour (also
for Taco's attentive regret).
Dear Hans, you know what your code produces:
- indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact
that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -
the reader - expects);
- indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.
BUT:
- the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word
following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be
accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a
superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal
note).
A slight bug in Hans's code. See below.
AND:
You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you
programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)
user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change
this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated
with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating
effort with OpenOffice Writer).
With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of
the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the
commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http://
texshow.contextgarden.net/
because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last
remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,
neither.
The user manual is for already existing features. In order to understand
how to *extend* context, you need to know how the internals work. See
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Inside_ConTeXt
Let me try to explain the code (slightly adapted). First the adapted code:
\newcounter\MyMarginalNote
\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}
\def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote
\high{\MyMarginalNote}%
\inmargin
{\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}#2}}
Now the explaination:
\newcounter\MyMarginalNote
Defines a new counter called MyMarginalNode. Hans did not use this because
he knows how \increment works internally, but explicitly stating this
helps in understanding.
\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}
This is the standard method in context of dealing with optimal arguments.
See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands_with_optional_arguments
\def\domnote[#1]#2%
#1 is the optional argument (in square brackets), and #2 is the required
arugment (in curly brackets)
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote
Increment the counter MyMaginalNote. The \doglobal is there so that the
counter is incremented even when the mnote occurs inside a group, for
example, something like
\startframedtext
blah blah\mnote{abc}
\stopfamedtext
\high{\MyMarginalNote}%
Place the number as a superscript.
\inmargin
Place the contents in the margin
{\MyMarginalNote:
Place margin note number followed by colon
\doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}
if #1 is something (that is, #1 is not empty) create a textreference #1
with the text \MyMarginNote. The expanded is there so that the reference
is to the value of MyMarginNote when the margin note was created and not
want the value of text reference was asked.
#2}}
Place #2, that is the contents of the note.
On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly
adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my
intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could
find a solution),
on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the
only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is
not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software
developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about
usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical
value of the old (hand-) typesetting technique of marginal notes has
come out of fashion, what ever...
This is not configurable because it was more like a proof of concept
solution. There is no documentation because of the same reason.
N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my
intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization
with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word
processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!
Hans, would it be too difficult to incorporate marginal notes in the core,
so that one could define \definenote[mnote][location=margin]. Most of the
pieces are already there.
Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in
Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
\def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
\inmargin
{\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
#2}%
\high{\MyMarginalNote}}
There should not be a \plusone in the first line. Read the documentation
of \increment in syst-ext ;)
Aditya
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[NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?
Hey friendly helpers, I see, this list is one for experts and programmers, less for simple users. But given that there is no list for beginners of ConTeXt, I make my last attempt to get help in the following problem: How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt? I have already spent some week of my disposable time to that problem without success. I attach an example file as pdf, created in several attempts with OpenOffice-writer, with spare success and giving up after the 14th note on this half-page. But it can illustrate what I want and need: - Margin(al) notes, numbered/referenced like footnotes, preferably in the wider right margin of the page. - Each margin note possibly on the same line with the referenced word/ expression in the text body which shall be translated/explained = if possible, i. e. if this place is not yet occupied by a foregoing margin note for a word or phrase in the same or a former line. - In the latter case, the margin note shall be typeset _below_ the former margin note (without printing one note on the other). Is there a way to setup/define the inmargin in the preamble of a ConTeXt document but then getting this result with a normal or (foregoing defined) command? Any other advice for to get this result? Or is it - for TeXnical reasons - not possible to achieve this result with reasonable effort in ConTeXt neither? I would be happy to get assistance (best the necessary commands/setup text) or any other advice to get the wanted result. Hopefully, Joachim Kreimer-de Fries Am 23.05.2008 um 09:23 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: 3. How to setup page/layout dimensions? \setuplayout [backspace=2cm, width=10cm, rightmargin=8cm, ...] This worked immediatly. Thank you very much, Wolfgang, for your swift help! Text from 1844 by F. W. Lyra in the Westphalian language: lyra-test.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
