Re: [NTG-context] Old-Style numerals command (\os) breaks conversion of hyphens to dashes
On 9/20/2020 11:14 PM, Art Chimes wrote:
I have a fairly large document, 50-60 pp, with lots of numerals,
including hundreds of dates. I wanted to see how it would look with
old-style numbers and I assumed I could bracket the whole text section
of the document within braces and apply the \os command. I didn't turn
out as I expected, however. It did convert the numbers to old-style
digits. But it also unexpectedly changed the em and en dashes back to
hyphens, as they were entered in the source .tex document.
MWE follows below.
I could possibly do a search-and-replace but I am hoping there is a
simpler way to do it.. I am using Libertinus Serif (which does support
old style numerals) and columns, if that matters. Thank you.
\starttext
First two examples: Brackets surround text including digits, grouped
hyphens are {\emph not} converted to en and em dashes.
{\os
Ford--Chevy 12345
Chrysler---Plymouth 67890
}
\blank[line]
Next two examples: Brackets surround just the digits, the grouped
hypehns {\emph are} correctly converted to en and em dashes
Honda--Toyota {\os 12345}
Renault---Volkswagen {\os 67890}
\stoptext
\os is an old style dumb font switch (only oldstyle feature) while
\oldstyle does what you want: enable the oldstyle feature on top of others
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[NTG-context] Old-Style numerals command (\os) breaks conversion of hyphens to dashes
I have a fairly large document, 50-60 pp, with lots of numerals,
including hundreds of dates. I wanted to see how it would look with
old-style numbers and I assumed I could bracket the whole text section
of the document within braces and apply the \os command. I didn't turn
out as I expected, however. It did convert the numbers to old-style
digits. But it also unexpectedly changed the em and en dashes back to
hyphens, as they were entered in the source .tex document.
MWE follows below.
I could possibly do a search-and-replace but I am hoping there is a
simpler way to do it.. I am using Libertinus Serif (which does support
old style numerals) and columns, if that matters. Thank you.
\starttext
First two examples: Brackets surround text including digits, grouped
hyphens are {\emph not} converted to en and em dashes.
{\os
Ford--Chevy 12345
Chrysler---Plymouth 67890
}
\blank[line]
Next two examples: Brackets surround just the digits, the grouped
hypehns {\emph are} correctly converted to en and em dashes
Honda--Toyota {\os 12345}
Renault---Volkswagen {\os 67890}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] old-style numerals and .
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:29:42 -0700, Jesse Alama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Something like the following
>>
>> \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern
>> typescript
>> \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi]
>> \setupbodyfont[reset]
>> \setupbodyfont[modern,11pt]
>>
>> used to work in mkii (pdftex + context) but I don't know if it still
>> does
>> -- mkii support for oldstyle has not been a stable feature (due to the
>> changes from cm to lm): I had to recalibrate every couple of years or
>> so.
>> So try and see.
>
> It looks like this is more complicated than I thought. What would I do
> if I wanted old-style numerals just for a table of contents? Currently,
> my table of contents is set up like so:
>
> \setupcombinedlist[content][alternative=c,numberstyle={\os},pagestyle={\os}]
>
> This produces the triangles for periods, and I think I understand why
> that is so. What value should go in for the numberstyle key to enable
> old-style numerals just for the table of contents?
In that case you'll have to switch fonts for the TOC. So you still need to
have a font setup that supports os, then switch to that font for the TOC.
For example, if you can define a latin modern typeface that uses the
oldstyle numerals, then \switchtotypeface[my-lm] in your TOC setup.
As I mentioned before I'm not sure what the present protocol is for
setting up an oldstyle LM typeface in mkii. Basically you want something
like
%% THIS IS ONLY AN ILLUSTRATION!!!
\starttypescript [LModern-OS]
\definebodyfontenvironment
[lmodern-os]
[default]
[interlinespace=2.8ex]
\definetypeface [lmodern-os] [rm] [serif] [lmodern-os] [latin-modern-os]
[texnansi]
\stoptypescript
%% THIS IS ONLY AN ILLUSTRATION!!!
but maybe someone on the list knows the exact protocol. Then you can do
\usetypescript[LModern-OS] in your preamble and
\switchtotypeface[lmodern-os] where you need it.
Once the final move to mkiv is made this will all be much easier...
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Re: [NTG-context] old-style numerals and .
"Idris Samawi Hamid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:03:12 -0700, Jesse Alama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I tried switching to nice old-style numerals for a table of contents,
>> and found to my chagrin that the periods in the numbers, such as the "."
>> in "2.3", get typeset as triangles. You can see the result (verified on
>> the live context in the garden) with
>>
>> \starttext
>> {\os 2.3}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> What's going on? How can I get periods rather than triangles?
>
> If you are using pdfTeX, you have to switch to an encoding that uses
> oldstyle numerals. This is because the knuthian font with oldstyle is a
> special, not general purpose, font, and has triangles where the period
> would be etc. You have to activate oldstyle globally for any but the most
> narrow purposes.
>
> Something like the following
>
> \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern
> typescript
> \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[reset]
> \setupbodyfont[modern,11pt]
>
> used to work in mkii (pdftex + context) but I don't know if it still does
> -- mkii support for oldstyle has not been a stable feature (due to the
> changes from cm to lm): I had to recalibrate every couple of years or so.
> So try and see.
It looks like this is more complicated than I thought. What would I do
if I wanted old-style numerals just for a table of contents? Currently,
my table of contents is set up like so:
\setupcombinedlist[content][alternative=c,numberstyle={\os},pagestyle={\os}]
This produces the triangles for periods, and I think I understand why
that is so. What value should go in for the numberstyle key to enable
old-style numerals just for the table of contents?
Thanks,
Jesse
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Re: [NTG-context] old-style numerals and .
Jesse Alama wrote:
> I tried switching to nice old-style numerals for a table of contents,
> and found to my chagrin that the periods in the numbers, such as the "."
> in "2.3", get typeset as triangles. You can see the result (verified on
> the live context in the garden) with
>
> \starttext
> {\os 2.3}
> \stoptext
>
> What's going on? How can I get periods rather than triangles?
use a real font instead of picking up oldstyle numerals from a math font
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Re: [NTG-context] old-style numerals and .
Hi,
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:03:12 -0700, Jesse Alama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried switching to nice old-style numerals for a table of contents,
> and found to my chagrin that the periods in the numbers, such as the "."
> in "2.3", get typeset as triangles. You can see the result (verified on
> the live context in the garden) with
>
> \starttext
> {\os 2.3}
> \stoptext
>
> What's going on? How can I get periods rather than triangles?
If you are using pdfTeX, you have to switch to an encoding that uses
oldstyle numerals. This is because the knuthian font with oldstyle is a
special, not general purpose, font, and has triangles where the period
would be etc. You have to activate oldstyle globally for any but the most
narrow purposes.
Something like the following
\usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern
typescript
\usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[reset]
\setupbodyfont[modern,11pt]
used to work in mkii (pdftex + context) but I don't know if it still does
-- mkii support for oldstyle has not been a stable feature (due to the
changes from cm to lm): I had to recalibrate every couple of years or so.
So try and see.
If you use luatex then there are a couple of ways to activate it -- see
this thread
http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20080102.025610.93a30bce.en.html#20080102.025610.93a30bce
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080102.025610.93a30bce.en.html
==
% engine=luatex
\definefontfeature
[oldstyle]
[mode=node,language=dflt,script=latn,onum=yes,tnum=yes]
\setfontfeature{oldstyle}
\starttext
1234567890
\stoptext
==
Best wishes
Idris
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[NTG-context] old-style numerals and .
I tried switching to nice old-style numerals for a table of contents,
and found to my chagrin that the periods in the numbers, such as the "."
in "2.3", get typeset as triangles. You can see the result (verified on
the live context in the garden) with
\starttext
{\os 2.3}
\stoptext
What's going on? How can I get periods rather than triangles?
Thanks,
Jesse
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[NTG-context] Old-style numerals
To get old-style numerals as the default, the accepted solutions seems
to be the following:
\usetypescript [modern][\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[modern]
However, this causes old-style numbers to be used for \type as well,
which looks weird. Is there a way to override the switching to
old-style numerals for the fixed-width typeface?
Example:
\usetypescript [modern][\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[modern]
\starttext
1 2 3 \type{1 2 3}
\stoptext
Thanks,
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