[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:15 (+), Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:15, Jim wrote:
>> I would like
>> something which automagically "does the right thing".
> Not pretty, but... :-)
> \setupwhitespace [big]
> \setuppapersize [letter]
> \define[1]\mystopitemize{\stopitemize\doifsamestringelse{#1}{\par}{\blank}{#1}}
> \starttext
> This is a short paragraph.
> This is a line before an itemization.
> \startitemize[nowhite]
> \item First item.
> \item Second item.
> \mystopitemize
> This is a short paragraph immediately following.
> This is a line before a {\bf nowhite, after} itemization.
> \startitemize[nowhite]
> \item First item.
> \item Second item.
> \mystopitemize
> This is the next short paragraph, not part of the above.
> \stoptext
Bruce,
thanks very much for that code. Given that (apparently?) there is no
option to itemize to do what I want, what you have is a good choice.
I just tried this:
\let\originalstopitemize=\stopitemize
\define[1]\stopitemize{\originalstopitemize\doifsamestringelse{#1}{\par}{\blank}{#1}}
and it works with the above test, after replacing \mystopitemize with the
usual \stopitemize.
I'm not sure what this might break going forward, but I guess time will tell.
(Or perhaps someone with more ConTeXt knowledge than me will tell me first.)
Cheers.
Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:15, Jim wrote:
>
> I would like
> something which automagically "does the right thing".
Not pretty, but... :-)
\setupwhitespace [big]
\setuppapersize [letter]
\define[1]\mystopitemize{\stopitemize\doifsamestringelse{#1}{\par}{\blank}{#1}}
\starttext
This is a short paragraph.
This is a line before an itemization.
\startitemize[nowhite]
\item First item.
\item Second item.
\mystopitemize
This is a short paragraph immediately following.
This is a line before a {\bf nowhite, after} itemization.
\startitemize[nowhite]
\item First item.
\item Second item.
\mystopitemize
This is the next short paragraph, not part of the above.
\stoptext
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Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK
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[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 20:33 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 15.01.24 um 17:15 schrieb Jim: >> "after" does the trick, but not in an automatic way. I would like >> something which automagically "does the right thing". > With “automagically”, do you mean for all instances? I hate to go out on a limb and say "all", but I mean that if there is text "immediately" following the \stopitemize (i.e., no \par token or vertical mode material before more text), then there is no white space following the last \item. But if there is a blank line following the last \item, there will be vertical white space corresponding to the current \setupwhitespace setting following the last item. > \setupitemgroup[itemize][nowhite,after] >>> Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to >>> "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active. >> "Usually" is in the eye of the beholder. ;-) >> I would have thought that having non-zero whitespace between paragraphs is >> common. For example, Aditya's blog linked to above has whitespace between >> paragraphs. Are you suggesting that is uncommon, or (showing my >> Context-noobness) is \setupwhitespace not the usual ConTeXt way to do this? > Yes, it’s common, and \setupwhitespace is right. OK, thanks for the confirmation. > I just don’t remember all the setups in my many environments all the time. >>> I added a few comments to >>> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup >>> Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options >>> and no documentation about them. >> Thanks for adding them. I see you did not document the all-important (to >> me) "after" (or "before") in the wiki. Would you like to add that? If >> you don't have time right now, I'd be happy to do so. > It’s there now. Thanks, I have already seen them! > I’m not sure about the options regarding width I've done some more exploration about items in the last hour or so. I'm not sure I am yet ready to update the wiki (I am concerned that incomplete information may be worse than no information), but if/when I feel confident, I will add some information about some options. (I guess the implementation code is the current definitive documentation!) Cheers. Jim ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Am 15.01.24 um 17:15 schrieb Jim: "after" does the trick, but not in an automatic way. I would like something which automagically "does the right thing". With “automagically”, do you mean for all instances? \setupitemgroup[itemize][nowhite,after] Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active. "Usually" is in the eye of the beholder. ;-) I would have thought that having non-zero whitespace between paragraphs is common. For example, Aditya's blog linked to above has whitespace between paragraphs. Are you suggesting that is uncommon, or (showing my Context-noobness) is \setupwhitespace not the usual ConTeXt way to do this? Yes, it’s common, and \setupwhitespace is right. I just don’t remember all the setups in my many environments all the time. I added a few comments to https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options and no documentation about them. Thanks for adding them. I see you did not document the all-important (to me) "after" (or "before") in the wiki. Would you like to add that? If you don't have time right now, I'd be happy to do so. It’s there now. I’m not sure about the options regarding width Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 17:39 (+0100), Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > Jim schrieb am 15.01.2024 um 01:42: >> I have >> \setupwhitespace [big] >> so that I get "a blank line" between paragraphs. >> I would like to *not* have "blank lines" before and after my items. For >> example, if there is more "paragraph text" after the last item I would like >> to see this structure: >> -- >> Some text preceding the list of items: >> a. Item one. >> b. Second item. >> This sentence is part of the same paragraph. >> The next paragraph starts here... >> -- >> and if there is no "paragraph text" after the last item, I'd like to see >> this structure: >> -- >> Some text preceding the list of items: >> a. Item one. >> b. Second item. >> The next paragraph starts here... >> -- >> Try as I might, I can't find the right options to give to \startitemize. >> The closest I have found is to start with >> \startitemize[a,nowhite] >> but that prevents the "blank line" even in the second case above, which is >> not what I want. Further, 'packed' and 'joinedup' seem to behave >> identically here, both leaving "a blank line" before the first item and >> after the last item. >> Clearly, I can force a blank line before the following paragraph with a >> \vskip, but that seems like a crude way to do it. >> Can someone either enlighten me on either >> (a) the Right ConTeXt Way to do this, or >> (b) a document that would tell me this, if I knew to read it? >> I've looked in the wiki, the not-so-short intro to ConTeXt, and "ConTeXt: >> an excursion" with no luck. > Hi Jim, > such a feature exists only to suppress paragraph indentation but not to > ignore whitespace > between paragraphs. > \setupitemize[indentnext=auto] > \setupindenting[yes,medium] > \starttext > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa > turpis, > semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi > \unknown > \startitemize > \startitem Lorem ipsum \unknown \stopitem > \stopitemize > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa > turpis, > semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi > \unknown > \startitemize > \startitem Lorem ipsum \unknown \stopitem > \stopitemize > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa > turpis, > semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi > \unknown > \stoptext Hi Wolfgang, thanks for that information. I would have thought that what I want to do is not so unusual that ConTeXt does not have the ability to handle it, especially in light of the indentnext=auto feature which shows that (presumably) some people want to handle the text following \stopitemize differently, depending on whether or not the following text is part of the same paragraph. Perhaps I need to go and contemplate the sins of my formatting choices... :-) Jim ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Jim schrieb am 15.01.2024 um 01:42: I have \setupwhitespace [big] so that I get "a blank line" between paragraphs. I would like to *not* have "blank lines" before and after my items. For example, if there is more "paragraph text" after the last item I would like to see this structure: -- Some text preceding the list of items: a. Item one. b. Second item. This sentence is part of the same paragraph. The next paragraph starts here... -- and if there is no "paragraph text" after the last item, I'd like to see this structure: -- Some text preceding the list of items: a. Item one. b. Second item. The next paragraph starts here... -- Try as I might, I can't find the right options to give to \startitemize. The closest I have found is to start with \startitemize[a,nowhite] but that prevents the "blank line" even in the second case above, which is not what I want. Further, 'packed' and 'joinedup' seem to behave identically here, both leaving "a blank line" before the first item and after the last item. Clearly, I can force a blank line before the following paragraph with a \vskip, but that seems like a crude way to do it. Can someone either enlighten me on either (a) the Right ConTeXt Way to do this, or (b) a document that would tell me this, if I knew to read it? I've looked in the wiki, the not-so-short intro to ConTeXt, and "ConTeXt: an excursion" with no luck. Hi Jim, such a feature exists only to suppress paragraph indentation but not to ignore whitespace between paragraphs. \setupitemize[indentnext=auto] \setupindenting[yes,medium] \starttext Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa turpis, semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi \unknown \startitemize \startitem Lorem ipsum \unknown \stopitem \stopitemize Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa turpis, semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi \unknown \startitemize \startitem Lorem ipsum \unknown \stopitem \stopitemize Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur massa turpis, semper quis fringilla ut, viverra nec risus. Pellentesque habitant morbi \unknown \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Two replies in one... On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 15:47 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2024, Jim wrote: >> Thoughts? > \startitemize[nowhite, after] > . . . > \stopitemize > See: https://adityam.github.io/context-blog/post/spacing-in-itemize/ Aditya, thanks for the suggestion, and thanks for the link. "after" does the trick, but not in an automatic way. I would like something which automagically "does the right thing". Perhaps it just doesn't exist in ConTeXt. The plain TeX macros I wrote for itemization do what I want, so I know it isn't (at least in plain TeX) a difficult thing. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 16:08 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 15.01.24 um 15:36 schrieb Jim: >>> \startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination. >> I won't argue about "should", but I will point out it isn't, at least on my >> computer with a recently updated context. >> Here is a non-minimal but short non-working example. > Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to > "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active. "Usually" is in the eye of the beholder. ;-) I would have thought that having non-zero whitespace between paragraphs is common. For example, Aditya's blog linked to above has whitespace between paragraphs. Are you suggesting that is uncommon, or (showing my Context-noobness) is \setupwhitespace not the usual ConTeXt way to do this? > I added a few comments to > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup > Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options > and no documentation about them. Thanks for adding them. I see you did not document the all-important (to me) "after" (or "before") in the wiki. Would you like to add that? If you don't have time right now, I'd be happy to do so. Cheers. Jim ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Am 15.01.24 um 15:36 schrieb Jim: \startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination. I won't argue about "should", but I will point out it isn't, at least on my computer with a recently updated context. Here is a non-minimal but short non-working example. Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active. I added a few comments to https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options and no documentation about them. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024, Jim wrote: > Thoughts? \startitemize[nowhite, after] . . . \stopitemize See: https://adityam.github.io/context-blog/post/spacing-in-itemize/ Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Hi Hraban,
thanks for your response. But...
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 08:17 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 15.01.24 um 01:42 schrieb Jim:
>> Some text preceding the list of items:
>> a. Item one.
>> b. Second item.
>> This sentence is part of the same paragraph.
>> The next paragraph starts here...
> \startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination.
I won't argue about "should", but I will point out it isn't, at least on my
computer with a recently updated context.
Here is a non-minimal but short non-working example.
%%%
\setupwhitespace [big]
\setuppapersize [letter]
\starttext
This is a short paragraph.
This is a line before a {\bf packed, joinedup} itemization.
\startitemize[packed,joinedup]
\item First item.
\item Second item.
\stopitemize
This is a line immediately following the above itemization.
This is a short paragraph.
This is a line before a {\bf packed, joinedup} itemization.
\startitemize[packed,joinedup]
\item First item.
\item Second item.
\stopitemize
This is another short paragraph.
\stoptext
%%%
Thoughts?
Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: Looking for itemize help
Am 15.01.24 um 01:42 schrieb Jim: Some text preceding the list of items: a. Item one. b. Second item. This sentence is part of the same paragraph. The next paragraph starts here... \startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
