[NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Stefan Wachter]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Adam Lindsay said this at Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:52:54 +0100:


When I do \showfont[zd], however, I see something resembling
Unicode vector 0x27nn. All it would take is a re-encoding to put the
glyphs in the right place.


Hey, does this PDF file work for everyone? 
No fonts are embedded in its 19Kb, but it gives a good outline of what's
available in the PDF-native ZapfDingbats font. 

Looks like another "My Way" is on its way. Email me off list if you'd
like to contribute as a tester.
\usesymbols[uni]
\definefontsynonym[UnicodeRegular27][zduni]
\showsymbolset[Unicode Dingbats][n=4]
It also works on Linux with Acrobat Reader 5.0.5.

--Stefan

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Otared Kavian]

At 06:07 pm +0100 1/04/04, Adam Lindsay wrote:
Hey, does this PDF file work for everyone?
No fonts are embedded in its 19Kb, but it gives a good outline of what's
available in the PDF-native ZapfDingbats font.


Hi Adam,

Your PDF file works fine on Mac OS X 10.3.3 with:
Acrobat 5.0.5,
Adobe Reader 6.0
TeXShop 1.34
ghostscript under X11 (the command is gs)
Preview
It is also viewable in the body of your message in Eudora 6.1, and 
with PDFplugin 2.0 under Safari.

Cheers: OK
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Adam Lindsay]

Adam Lindsay said this at Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:52:54 +0100:

>When I do \showfont[zd], however, I see something resembling
>Unicode vector 0x27nn. All it would take is a re-encoding to put the
>glyphs in the right place.

Hey, does this PDF file work for everyone? 
No fonts are embedded in its 19Kb, but it gives a good outline of what's
available in the PDF-native ZapfDingbats font. 

Looks like another "My Way" is on its way. Email me off list if you'd
like to contribute as a tester.

\usesymbols[uni]
\definefontsynonym[UnicodeRegular27][zduni]
\showsymbolset[Unicode Dingbats][n=4]

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Adam Lindsay]

Stefan Wachter said this at Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:20:52 +0200:

>I tried the code of Patrick. It works for Times and Helvetica. Yet, if I 
>switch to monospace using \tt then Computer Modern fonts are used / 
>embedded. In addition, all this typescripts stuff is so confusing for me 
>that I prefer to use my own simple typescript.

Sorry. My mistake. I thought you were only interested in Helvetica as a
text font, so I didn't worry about the rest of the picture. The pre-
defined typescript is therefore:
\usetypescript[postscript][texnansi]

Courier is in there. (I usually think about the times typescript because
I really don't like how light URW's Courier is. The native one doesn't
look so bad.) The math mode is also in there, with the times math clone.
You can look in type-exa.tex for the prototype:
\starttypescript [postscript] [texnansi,ec,8r]
  \definetypeface [postscript] [rm] [serif] [times] [default]
[encoding=\typescripttwo]
  \definetypeface [postscript] [mm] [math]  [times] [default]
  \definetypeface [postscript] [ss] [sans]  [helvetica] [default]
[rscale=.9,encoding=\typescripttwo]
  \definetypeface [postscript] [tt] [mono]  [courier]   [default]
[rscale=1.1,encoding=\typescripttwo]
\stoptypescript

[Note the rscale= lines in there. It's a really nice feature for
equalising x-heights, so that the fonts work together better. You can
test it out with \showfontstrip .]

>Additionally, it would be great to have the 
>math mode work, too (with embedding of course).

You can copy the [math] line into your [pdf] typescript, and be done with
it. If you *really* want to be a font wizard, you can track the different
levels of abstraction through type-pre, type-siz, and type-enc. (type-siz
is especially strange--I'm still not sure if *anyone* understands it fully!)

I get what you're doing now, and I respect it. In fact, I learned the
most about typescripts by doing what you're doing: tearing them apart and
building up by scratch. Eventually I've learned (with Bill, Patrick,
Hans, and the list's help) just how much is made available by default.

>Now I wonder how to integrate the PDF base 14 ZapfDingbats and Symbols 
>font. Do you have a clue? 

Ah, it depends what you mean by "integrate." When I do \showfont[sy], I
see a bunch of greek and math symbols, but nothing sufficient for a full
math mode. When I do \showfont[zd], however, I see something resembling
Unicode vector 0x27nn. All it would take is a re-encoding to put the
glyphs in the right place.

For more details, see:
 
and especially the part following \startsymbolset[Unicode Dingbats] in
symb-uni.tex in:
 


Email me off-list if you want a head-start integrating ZapfDingbats...

adam
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[NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Stefan Wachter]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Stefan Wachter said this at Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:17:29 +0200:


thanks for the help. After extracting the typescript code into a 
seperate typescript file everything works fine!


Ah, I remembered what Patrick did, now:
\usetypescript[adobekb][texnansi]
\usetypescript[times][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[times,ss]
\starttext
This is Helvetica, {\bf bold}, {\it italic}, {\bi bold-italic},
{\tfa bigger} and {\tfx smaller}.
\stoptext
This minimal version worked for me. The typescripts are already there in
ConTeXt...
adam
Hi Adam,

I tried the code of Patrick. It works for Times and Helvetica. Yet, if I 
switch to monospace using \tt then Computer Modern fonts are used / 
embedded. In addition, all this typescripts stuff is so confusing for me 
that I prefer to use my own simple typescript.

Now I wonder how to integrate the PDF base 14 ZapfDingbats and Symbols 
font. Do you have a clue? Additionally, it would be great to have the 
math mode work, too (with embedding of course).

Thanks again,
--Stefan
PS: Here is the complete typescript:

\starttypescript [sans] [helvetica] [texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Helvetica] [hv]   [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Bold][hvb]  [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-BoldOblique] [hvbo] [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Oblique] [hvo]  [encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [helvetica] [name]
  \definefontsynonym [Sans][Helvetica]
  \definefontsynonym [SansBold][Helvetica-Bold]
  \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]  [Helvetica-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [Helvetica-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic]  [Helvetica-BoldOblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [Helvetica-BoldOblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SansCaps][Helvetica]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [times] [texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Roman]  [tir]  [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Bold]   [tib]  [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-BoldItalic] [tibi] [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Times-Italic] [tii]  [encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [times] [name]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Times]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Times-Bold]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]   [Times-Italic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]  [Times-Italic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]   [Times-BoldItalic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted]  [Times-BoldItalic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps] [Times]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [mono] [courier] [texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Courier] [com]  [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Courier-Bold][cob]  [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Courier-BoldOblique] [cobo] [encoding=texnansi]
  \definefontsynonym [Courier-Oblique] [coo]  [encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [mono] [courier] [name]
  \definefontsynonym [Mono][Courier]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoBold][Courier-Bold]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoItalic]  [Courier-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoSlanted] [Courier-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoBoldItalic]  [Courier-BoldOblique]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoBoldSlanted] [Courier-BoldOblique]
  \definefontsynonym [MonoCaps][Courier]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [pdf]
  \definetypeface [pdf] [ss] [sans]  [helvetica] [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]
  \definetypeface [pdf] [rm] [serif] [times] [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]
  \definetypeface [pdf] [tt] [mono]  [courier]   [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Adam Lindsay]

Stefan Wachter said this at Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:17:29 +0200:

>thanks for the help. After extracting the typescript code into a 
>seperate typescript file everything works fine!

Ah, I remembered what Patrick did, now:
\usetypescript[adobekb][texnansi]
\usetypescript[times][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[times,ss]
\starttext
This is Helvetica, {\bf bold}, {\it italic}, {\bi bold-italic},
{\tfa bigger} and {\tfx smaller}.
\stoptext


This minimal version worked for me. The typescripts are already there in
ConTeXt...
adam
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[NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Stefan Wachter]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Stefan Wachter said this at Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:54:27 +0200:


I tried to write a typescript to use the Helvetica PDF base 14 fonts. 


Interesting problem. I haven't dealt with it, but it seems like a worthy
goal. I thought Patrick Grundlach (?) did some work with this, but I'm
not sure. Check the archives.

Yet, the example below uses the (default) Computer Modern Roman fonts. I 
wrote the typescript along the lines of the excellent help document at 
(http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html).

Thanks for your attention,
--Stefan
\enableregime[il1]
\setupoutput[pdftex]
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[leftmargindistance=0cm]
\setupheadertexts[]


Okay, put the following typescripts into a separate file (type-hv.tex):


\starttypescript [sans] [helvetica] [texnansi]
 \definefontsynonym [Helvetica] [hv]   [encoding=texnansi]
 \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Bold][hvb]  [encoding=texnansi]
 \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-BoldOblique] [hvbo] [encoding=texnansi]
 \definefontsynonym [Helvetica-Oblique] [hvo]  [encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [helvetica] [name]
 \definefontsynonym [Sans][Helvetica]
 \definefontsynonym [SansBold][Helvetica-Bold]
 \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]  [Helvetica-Oblique]
 \definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [Helvetica-Oblique]
 \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic]  [Helvetica-BoldOblique]
 \definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [Helvetica-BoldOblique]
 \definefontsynonym [SansCaps][Helvetica]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [pdf]
 \definetypeface [MyHelvetica] [ss] [sans] [helvetica] [default] 
[encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript


...and replace them in your source file with:

\usetypescriptfile[type-hv]


\usetypescript[pdf]
\setupbodyfont[MyHelvetica]


\setupbodyfont[MyHelvetica,ss]



\starttext
This is Helvetica, {\bf bold}, {\it italic}, {\bi bold-italic},
{\tfa bigger} and {\tfx smaller}.
\stoptext


After I got my pdftex.map pointing to pdftex_ndl14.map (the hardest part
of all this), I was able to generate the PDFs with the correct,
unembedded fonts.
Hope that helps... you were pretty close!
adam
Hi Adam,

thanks for the help. After extracting the typescript code into a 
seperate typescript file everything works fine!

--Stefan

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[NTG-context] Re: Typescript for Helvetica - what's wrong?

[Stefan Wachter]

Christopher G D Tipper wrote:
On 30 Mar 2004 at 16:54, Stefan Wachter wrote:


Hi all!

I tried to write a typescript to use the Helvetica PDF base 14 fonts. 


What on earth is wrong with

\setupencoding [default=8r]
\usetypescript [berry][8r]
\setupbodyfont
  [pos,12pt]
Christopher
o00o
  "Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why 
   some people appear bright until you hear them speak" 
  - Steve Wright
Hi Christopher,

using the commands you propose the PDF documents that are generated 
contain the NimbusRomNo9L or NimbusSansL fonts and not Times-Roman or 
Helvetica!

I want to use Helvetica because I configured PDFTeX in such a way that 
the 14 PDF base fonts (Helvetica, Times, Courier) are not embedded.

--Stefan



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