Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
Gerben Wierda wrote:
On Apr 29, 2005, at 15:03, Ville Voipio wrote (on the ConTeX list, but
this also is interesting for all gwTeX users):
I have spent some very interesting time trying to install the TeXlive
fonts by using texfont type-tmf.dat. What happened was that a lot of
complaints about unknown subpath ../afm/public/urw were given even
though the path should have been there. This is a known problem, has
been on several mailing lists, as well.
After a lot of thinking it became clear that texfont was really unable
to find any font files. By browsing through the texfont.pl, the reason
became evident: In gwTeX the root variables are:
TEXMFMAIN = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf
TEXMFTE = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex
The problem here is that all the TeXlive fonts (and almost everthing
else) is really in the TEXMFTE tree.
My quick'n'dirty was to make new file type-tmf-gwtex.dat by replacing
all occurrences of TEXMFMAIN by TEXMFTE. Running that one in batch
mode works fine.
Problem solved -- this time. But the solution is not a beautiful one.
Could someone suggest something cleaner? Or has this been solved
already (I tried googling after the answer without success)?
TEXMFMAIN in TL is now reserved for only the stuff that is directly
related to the binaries (like the pool files or anything that needs to
stay in sync - grammar wise - with the binaries and scripts). In TeX
Live the 'foundation' now lives in .../texmf-dist (TEXMFDIST) and not in
../texmf
In gwTeX, there are a few foundation trees: TEXMFTE for the teTeX tree
and TEXMFGW for my additions
I think it is a simplification by texfont that it has a hardwired
location. TeX is not set up that way. Probably the correct solution is
for texfont itself to act in a more dynamic way, e.g. by trying to
locate with kpsewhich some elements that are supposed to be there
already and take th eresult of that search as the settin for what it now
assumes to be hardwired.
In the meantime: your fix is correct.
generated fonts metrics are put in a given path:
if (defined($ENV{TEXMFLOCAL})) {
$installpath = TEXMFLOCAL ;
}
if (defined($ENV{TEXMFFONTS})) {
$installpath = TEXMFFONTS ;
}
if ($installpath eq ) {
$installpath = TEXMFLOCAL ; # redundant
}
and later on
my $fontroot= ; #/usr/people/gwhite/texmf-fonts
GetOptions
fontroot=s = \$fontroot,
and
if ($fontroot eq )
{ if ($dosish)
{ $fontroot = `kpsewhich -expand-path=\$$installpath` }
else
{ $fontroot = `kpsewhich -expand-path=\\\$$installpath` }
chomp $fontroot }
etc etc
I've added texmfdist to the search trees list
my $trees = 'TEXMFFONTS,TEXMFLOCAL,TEXMFEXTRA,TEXMFMAIN,TEXMFDIST' ;
(not that i use dist: the first thing i do here when i get tex live is merging
the main/dist/doc/extra trees)
btw, it's interesting that when i asked for a texmffonts entry long ago the
argument against was 'we don't want too many trees' but nowadays we have so many
trees that i no longer feel trouble by my own amount:
texmf
texmf-extra
texmf-local
texmf-fonts
texmf-projects
texmf-mswin
texmf-macosx
texmf-linux
etc -)
normally i try to use kpse to locate and report paths, but this is kind of slow
and the kpsewhich interface is not frozen [which is why in more recent scripts i
use a wrapper system around kpse, so in the end such problems may disappear]
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
Gerben Wierda wrote: My quick'n'dirty was to make new file type-tmf-gwtex.dat by replacing all occurrences of TEXMFMAIN by TEXMFTE. Running that one in batch mode works fine. one can specify the fontroot on the commandline in most cases texfont is is used for installing fonts not in a tex tree (or in a local tree); given unpredictable changes in patterns and fonts, i'll probably put a context font metrics zip on the website anyway and include patterns in the main zip; moreover, the new fonts by the polish font gurus [lm, antykwa, kurier, iwona, etc] already come with context friendly metrics and names Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
generated fonts metrics are put in a given path: And this is not the problem. I have to apologise for the bad wording of my previous message. I am not saying there would be anything wrong with the Perl script. The only slight annoyance there is the error message, which states: unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/$vendor/$collection At least to my eye this seems to refer to the parent directory (..), whereas it really doesn't. It just says that something/something/fonts/afm/$vendor/$collection is missing. Full path in that message would've gotten me to the goal a bit faster. The problem is really in the font installation script (type-tmf.dat). There the root (i.e. the source tree for the fonts) is explicitly given as TEXMFMAIN. And this does not work in gwTeX, because if something is given, it has to be TEXMFTE. As a summary: - texfont.pl is fine - gwTeX is fine - type-tmf.dat is not fine, but I really don't know how to reliably fix it (yes, patching is simple, but then it does not work in other distros) --- But am I doing something stupid (again)? I think I have some kind of understanding of the ConTeXt font mechanisms. However, I am still a bit confused about this mess. So, what is the easy, standard, newbie way to install the TeX Live font collection to be used with ConTeXt? Is it still using the type-tmf.dat batch file? - Ville ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
The problem is really in the font installation script (type-tmf.dat). There the root (i.e. the source tree for the fonts) is explicitly given as TEXMFMAIN. And this does not work in gwTeX, because if something is given, it has to be TEXMFTE. Just for my understanding. Does texfont.pl only read in TEXMFMAIN or does it also write (can it be a search path or does it require for TEXMFMAIN to be just one directory)? G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
Gerben Wierda said this at Mon, 2 May 2005 17:10:03 +0200: The problem is really in the font installation script (type-tmf.dat). There the root (i.e. the source tree for the fonts) is explicitly given as TEXMFMAIN. And this does not work in gwTeX, because if something is given, it has to be TEXMFTE. Just for my understanding. Does texfont.pl only read in TEXMFMAIN or does it also write (can it be a search path or does it require for TEXMFMAIN to be just one directory)? My understanding is that you can enter a comma-separated list of trees. The default is TEXMFFONTS,TEXMFLOCAL,TEXMFEXTRA,TEXMFMAIN. That suggests to me that the --ro=TEXMFMAIN defaults in the type-tmf.dat file probably should go away, as 1) they get in the way of over-rides at the CLI, and 2) it's covered by the current default, anyway. adam % texfont --help TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004 --fontroot=path : texmf destination font root (default: /usr/local/tetex/share/texmf.local) --rootlist=paths : texmf source roots (default: TEXMFFONTS,TEXMFLOCAL,TEXMFEXTRA,TEXMFMAIN) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lancaster University, InfoLab21+44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
Just for my understanding. Does texfont.pl only read in TEXMFMAIN or does it also write (can it be a search path or does it require for TEXMFMAIN to be just one directory)? texfont.pl checks several places. By a very quick look at the sources, it looks for the following: TEXMFMAIN TEXMFLOCAL TEXMFEXTRA TEXMFFONTS It does not look for TEXMFTE, but by specifying the switch --rootlist, it can be given a list of trees, which it then browses through. Ok, it might be useful to add a few here, such as TEXMFTE (for us gwTeX users), but maybe that's an endless road. But the real problem is really in a font installation script which explicitly overrides the default settings and gives a wrong tree. --- The problem is easy to pinpoint into type-tfm.dat. Unfortunately, just removing the explicit definitions does not seem to solve the problem. The non-standard root seems to be difficult to be told to the system. For encodings, texfont.pl can be force-fed a value which is passed to all scripts in a batch file (using a special --en=? switch). However, no such mechanism exists for other parameters (such as the --ro). Tweaking the TEXMFFONTS to point to TEXMFTE is one possibility, but then the fonts will also be installed into TEXMFFONTS instead of TEXMFLOCAL. Ideally, it would be nice to be able to tell the script that the source fonts are in TEXMFWHATEVER and they are going into TEXMFSOMETHINGELSE. I haven't been able to figure out how to achieve that without tailoring the batch file. - Ville ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
On Apr 29, 2005, at 15:03, Ville Voipio wrote (on the ConTeX list, but this also is interesting for all gwTeX users): I have spent some very interesting time trying to install the TeXlive fonts by using texfont type-tmf.dat. What happened was that a lot of complaints about unknown subpath ../afm/public/urw were given even though the path should have been there. This is a known problem, has been on several mailing lists, as well. After a lot of thinking it became clear that texfont was really unable to find any font files. By browsing through the texfont.pl, the reason became evident: In gwTeX the root variables are: TEXMFMAIN = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf TEXMFTE = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex The problem here is that all the TeXlive fonts (and almost everthing else) is really in the TEXMFTE tree. My quick'n'dirty was to make new file type-tmf-gwtex.dat by replacing all occurrences of TEXMFMAIN by TEXMFTE. Running that one in batch mode works fine. Problem solved -- this time. But the solution is not a beautiful one. Could someone suggest something cleaner? Or has this been solved already (I tried googling after the answer without success)? TEXMFMAIN in TL is now reserved for only the stuff that is directly related to the binaries (like the pool files or anything that needs to stay in sync - grammar wise - with the binaries and scripts). In TeX Live the 'foundation' now lives in .../texmf-dist (TEXMFDIST) and not in ../texmf In gwTeX, there are a few foundation trees: TEXMFTE for the teTeX tree and TEXMFGW for my additions I think it is a simplification by texfont that it has a hardwired location. TeX is not set up that way. Probably the correct solution is for texfont itself to act in a more dynamic way, e.g. by trying to locate with kpsewhich some elements that are supposed to be there already and take th eresult of that search as the settin for what it now assumes to be hardwired. In the meantime: your fix is correct. G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] TEXMFMAIN problem in gwTeX (font installation)
I have spent some very interesting time trying to install the TeXlive fonts by using texfont type-tmf.dat. What happened was that a lot of complaints about unknown subpath ../afm/public/urw were given even though the path should have been there. This is a known problem, has been on several mailing lists, as well. After a lot of thinking it became clear that texfont was really unable to find any font files. By browsing through the texfont.pl, the reason became evident: In gwTeX the root variables are: TEXMFMAIN = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf TEXMFTE = /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex The problem here is that all the TeXlive fonts (and almost everthing else) is really in the TEXMFTE tree. My quick'n'dirty was to make new file type-tmf-gwtex.dat by replacing all occurrences of TEXMFMAIN by TEXMFTE. Running that one in batch mode works fine. Problem solved -- this time. But the solution is not a beautiful one. Could someone suggest something cleaner? Or has this been solved already (I tried googling after the answer without success)? - Ville ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
