Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

Thank you Wolfgang!!

I was taken away to other work for several days and just got back to this now.

Works great!
THANKS!



> -Original Message-
> From: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 12:07 PM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Cc: Mike Cooper
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section
> 
> Mike Cooper schrieb am 11.08.2020 um 19:20:
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:07 AM
> >> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> >> Cc: Mike Cooper
> >> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of 
> >> section
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Cooper schrieb am 10.08.2020 um 23:40:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Wolfgang!
> >>>
> >>> I tried to change your code from chapters to sections (since that's what 
> >>> I was
> >> already using) but it didn't work.  So, I switched my sections to chapters 
> >> and it
> >> works great!  But it also caused me to run into other things I'd set up 
> >> manually
> that
> >> I'm having to figure out---good way to learn!  Haha!
> >>
> >> You can only set header or footer settings when the section starts on a
> >> new page. Permitting these two values for every section without this
> >> restrictions can lead to problems because there can be cases where you
> >> have different section levels on the same page and the setting from the
> >> last command on the page counts.
> >
> > That makes sense.  I wasn't really thinking of my sections as "chapters" 
> > per se.
> And I was forcing sections (each >5 pages) to start on new (odd) pages.  But
> switching to chapters is fine and takes care of some other stuff I was 
> forcing.
> 
> 
> You don't have to use \chapter as first level section which starts on a
> new page, you can do the same with \section when you use
> 
>\setuphead
>  [section]
>  [page={yes,odd}]
> 
> 
> >>> One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put 
> >>> in a
> >> blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections
> always
> >> start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters 
> >> from
> >> sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with 
> >> that one...
> >>
> >> Let me guess you divide your document into section blocks (frontmatter,
> >> bodymatter etc.).
> >>
> >> When this is the case you have to first disable the page setting for
> >> these blocks because they interfere with the header/footer setting. To
> >> disable the page breaks add
> >>
> >> \setupsectionblock
> >>   [frontpart,bodypart]
> >>   [page=no]
> >>
> >> to your document setups.
> >
> > How does this interact with \startsectionblockenvrironment?  I found this on
> wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents for suppressing header/footer on 
> TOC.  I
> did not specify frontmatter before, but moving the header/footer content into 
> the
> environment file messed up my formerly clean TOC page.  :-)   So, I've 
> currently
> got:
> >
> > \startsectionblockenvironment[frontpart]
> >\setupheader[state=none]
> >\setupfooter[state=none]
> > \stopsectionblockenvironment
> >
> > Do I keep this and also include your code above?  Or can both things be 
> > taken
> care of together somehow?
> 
> 
> Both a different setups for different purposes.
> 
> 
> In my setup I tell ConTeXt not to force a page break when it encounters
> \startfrontmatter or \stopfrontmatter because I insert the break with
> \chapter.
> 
> 
> With the sectionblockenvironment-environment you can set a list of
> settings which are inserted at the start of block, i.e. your settings
> above do the same as
> 
>\startfrontmatter
> 
>\setupheader[...]
>\setupfooter[...]
> 
>...
> 
>\stopfrontmatter
> 
> where I added the setting to the start of the block. The advantage of
> \startsectionblockenvironment is that you have separated the layout from
> the content.
> 
> Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 11.08.2020 um 19:20:




-Original Message-
From: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:07 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: Mike Cooper
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section


Mike Cooper schrieb am 10.08.2020 um 23:40:



Thank you Wolfgang!

I tried to change your code from chapters to sections (since that's what I was

already using) but it didn't work.  So, I switched my sections to chapters and 
it
works great!  But it also caused me to run into other things I'd set up 
manually that
I'm having to figure out---good way to learn!  Haha!

You can only set header or footer settings when the section starts on a
new page. Permitting these two values for every section without this
restrictions can lead to problems because there can be cases where you
have different section levels on the same page and the setting from the
last command on the page counts.


That makes sense.  I wasn't really thinking of my sections as "chapters" per se.  
And I was forcing sections (each >5 pages) to start on new (odd) pages.  But switching to 
chapters is fine and takes care of some other stuff I was forcing.



You don't have to use \chapter as first level section which starts on a 
new page, you can do the same with \section when you use


  \setuphead
[section]
[page={yes,odd}]



One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put in a

blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections always
start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters from
sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with that 
one...

Let me guess you divide your document into section blocks (frontmatter,
bodymatter etc.).

When this is the case you have to first disable the page setting for
these blocks because they interfere with the header/footer setting. To
disable the page breaks add

\setupsectionblock
  [frontpart,bodypart]
  [page=no]

to your document setups.


How does this interact with \startsectionblockenvrironment?  I found this on 
wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents for suppressing header/footer on TOC.  
I did not specify frontmatter before, but moving the header/footer content into 
the environment file messed up my formerly clean TOC page.  :-)   So, I've 
currently got:

\startsectionblockenvironment[frontpart]
   \setupheader[state=none]
   \setupfooter[state=none]
\stopsectionblockenvironment

Do I keep this and also include your code above?  Or can both things be taken 
care of together somehow?



Both a different setups for different purposes.


In my setup I tell ConTeXt not to force a page break when it encounters 
\startfrontmatter or \stopfrontmatter because I insert the break with 
\chapter.



With the sectionblockenvironment-environment you can set a list of 
settings which are inserted at the start of block, i.e. your settings 
above do the same as


  \startfrontmatter

  \setupheader[...]
  \setupfooter[...]

  ...

  \stopfrontmatter

where I added the setting to the start of the block. The advantage of 
\startsectionblockenvironment is that you have separated the layout from 
the content.


Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:15 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Cc: Mike Cooper
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section
> 
> Mike Cooper schrieb am 11.08.2020 um 19:01:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Ehm... Why don’t you just use \setuphead[section][page=right] ?
> >>
> >> Hraban
> >
> >
> > Haha!  Well...  because I never found that approach in my searching.
> >
> > But now, I'm not using it because it doesn't work for me.  I was in the 
> > middle of
> > guessing I needed to set up doublesided or some such in order for it to 
> > work when
> > Wolfgang's other solution came in.
> 
> When you use "page=left" or "page=right" you need a doublesided document
> but for a singlesided document you can use "page=even" or "page=odd".
> 
> 
> There is also another layout method which combines both. The layout is
> taken from a singlesided document which means the left and right margins
> are the same on odd and even page but checks for left or right pages
> work like in a doublesided document.
> 
> You can test this with the example below when you uncomment the second
> and third pagenumbering setup-
> 
> \setuppagenumbering
>[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]
> 
> %\setuppagenumbering
> %  [alternative=singlesided]
> 
> %\setuppagenumbering
> %  [alternative=doublesided]
> 
> \setuphead
>[chapter]
>[page=right]
> 
> \showframe
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \dorecurse{3}
>{\expanded{\chapter{Chapter \recurselevel}}
> \dorecurse{4}{\samplefile{weisman}}}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Wolfgang

Interesting!  Thank you!

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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:07 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Cc: Mike Cooper
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section
> 
> 
> Mike Cooper schrieb am 10.08.2020 um 23:40:
> >
> >
> > Thank you Wolfgang!
> >
> > I tried to change your code from chapters to sections (since that's what I 
> > was
> already using) but it didn't work.  So, I switched my sections to chapters 
> and it
> works great!  But it also caused me to run into other things I'd set up 
> manually that
> I'm having to figure out---good way to learn!  Haha!
> 
> You can only set header or footer settings when the section starts on a
> new page. Permitting these two values for every section without this
> restrictions can lead to problems because there can be cases where you
> have different section levels on the same page and the setting from the
> last command on the page counts.

That makes sense.  I wasn't really thinking of my sections as "chapters" per 
se.  And I was forcing sections (each >5 pages) to start on new (odd) pages.  
But switching to chapters is fine and takes care of some other stuff I was 
forcing.

THANKS!

 
> > One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put 
> > in a
> blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections 
> always
> start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters from
> sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with that 
> one...
> 
> Let me guess you divide your document into section blocks (frontmatter,
> bodymatter etc.).
> 
> When this is the case you have to first disable the page setting for
> these blocks because they interfere with the header/footer setting. To
> disable the page breaks add
> 
>\setupsectionblock
>  [frontpart,bodypart]
>  [page=no]
> 
> to your document setups.

How does this interact with \startsectionblockenvrironment?  I found this on 
wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents for suppressing header/footer on TOC.  
I did not specify frontmatter before, but moving the header/footer content into 
the environment file messed up my formerly clean TOC page.  :-)   So, I've 
currently got:

   \startsectionblockenvironment[frontpart]
  \setupheader[state=none]
  \setupfooter[state=none]
   \stopsectionblockenvironment

Do I keep this and also include your code above?  Or can both things be taken 
care of together somehow?

 
> No you can change the settings for the page break at the begin of each
> chapter to
> 
>\setuphead
>  [chapter]
>  [page={yes,header,footer,right}]
> 
> which
> 
>1. Finishes the last page of the previous chapter
>2. Disables the header and footer for the next (empty) page
>3. Adds a empty page when necessary to start the new chapter on a right 
> page

Excited to try this once I know what to do with the sectionblock stuff.

Going to fiddle...

THANKS!!!


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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 11.08.2020 um 19:01:




-Original Message-
From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Henning
Hraban Ramm
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 12:37 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section


One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put in a

blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections always
start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters from
sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with that 
one...

Ehm... Why don’t you just use \setuphead[section][page=right] ?

Hraban



Haha!  Well...  because I never found that approach in my searching.

But now, I'm not using it because it doesn't work for me.  I was in the middle 
of guessing I needed to set up doublesided or some such in order for it to work 
when Wolfgang's other solution came in.


When you use "page=left" or "page=right" you need a doublesided document 
but for a singlesided document you can use "page=even" or "page=odd".



There is also another layout method which combines both. The layout is 
taken from a singlesided document which means the left and right margins 
are the same on odd and even page but checks for left or right pages 
work like in a doublesided document.


You can test this with the example below when you uncomment the second 
and third pagenumbering setup-


\setuppagenumbering
  [alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]

%\setuppagenumbering
%  [alternative=singlesided]

%\setuppagenumbering
%  [alternative=doublesided]

\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [page=right]

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{3}
  {\expanded{\chapter{Chapter \recurselevel}}
   \dorecurse{4}{\samplefile{weisman}}}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Henning
> Hraban Ramm
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 12:37 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section
> 
> > One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put 
> > in a
> blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections 
> always
> start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters from
> sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with that 
> one...
> 
> Ehm... Why don’t you just use \setuphead[section][page=right] ?
> 
> Hraban


Haha!  Well...  because I never found that approach in my searching.

But now, I'm not using it because it doesn't work for me.  I was in the middle 
of guessing I needed to set up doublesided or some such in order for it to work 
when Wolfgang's other solution came in.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 10.08.2020 um 23:40:




-Original Message-
From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Wolfgang
Schuster
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:58 PM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

Mike Cooper schrieb am 06.08.2020 um 17:15:

Hola,

I imagine this is probably simple but I can’t find it…

I want the first page only of each section to have particular content in
header/footer, then all the following pages to different specific
content.Right now, I am manually entering it in each section.I’m hoping
there’s a way to automate this; put it into the environment file for all
sections.


Of course you can set different header/footer layouts for chapter pages.

With  \setupheadertexts and \setupfootertexts you set first the text
which should appear on regular pages.

To have a different text on a chapter page you can use the \definetext
command to set them (third first argument is the name of the setup and
the second argument the location). These setups than can applied to the
chapter with the header and footer key in \setuphead.

 begin example
\setupheadertexts
[Page \userpagenumber\ of \lastuserpagenumber]

\definetext
[chapterheader] % name
[header] % vertical position
[This is a chapter page] % content

\definetext
[chapterfooter]
[footer]
[pagenumber]

\setuphead
[chapter]
[header=chapterheader,
 footer=chapterfooter]

\starttext

\dorecurse{10}
{\expanded{\chapter{Chapter \recurselevel}}
 \dorecurse{\numexpr2*\recurselevel\relax}{\samplefile{knuth}}}

\stoptext
 end example

Wolfgang



Thank you Wolfgang!

I tried to change your code from chapters to sections (since that's what I was 
already using) but it didn't work.  So, I switched my sections to chapters and 
it works great!  But it also caused me to run into other things I'd set up 
manually that I'm having to figure out---good way to learn!  Haha!


You can only set header or footer settings when the section starts on a 
new page. Permitting these two values for every section without this 
restrictions can lead to problems because there can be cases where you 
have different section levels on the same page and the setting from the 
last command on the page counts.



One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put in a 
blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections 
always start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters 
from sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with 
that one...


Let me guess you divide your document into section blocks (frontmatter, 
bodymatter etc.).


When this is the case you have to first disable the page setting for 
these blocks because they interfere with the header/footer setting. To 
disable the page breaks add


  \setupsectionblock
[frontpart,bodypart]
[page=no]

to your document setups.

No you can change the settings for the page break at the begin of each 
chapter to


  \setuphead
[chapter]
[page={yes,header,footer,right}]

which

  1. Finishes the last page of the previous chapter
  2. Disables the header and footer for the next (empty) page
  3. Adds a empty page when necessary to start the new chapter on a 
right page


Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put in 
> a blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections 
> always start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to 
> chapters from sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally 
> stuck with that one...

Ehm... Why don’t you just use \setuphead[section][page=right] ?

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Wolfgang
> Schuster
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:58 PM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section
> 
> Mike Cooper schrieb am 06.08.2020 um 17:15:
> > Hola,
> >
> > I imagine this is probably simple but I can’t find it…
> >
> > I want the first page only of each section to have particular content in
> > header/footer, then all the following pages to different specific
> > content.Right now, I am manually entering it in each section.I’m hoping
> > there’s a way to automate this; put it into the environment file for all
> > sections.
> 
> Of course you can set different header/footer layouts for chapter pages.
> 
> With  \setupheadertexts and \setupfootertexts you set first the text
> which should appear on regular pages.
> 
> To have a different text on a chapter page you can use the \definetext
> command to set them (third first argument is the name of the setup and
> the second argument the location). These setups than can applied to the
> chapter with the header and footer key in \setuphead.
> 
>  begin example
> \setupheadertexts
>[Page \userpagenumber\ of \lastuserpagenumber]
> 
> \definetext
>[chapterheader] % name
>[header] % vertical position
>[This is a chapter page] % content
> 
> \definetext
>[chapterfooter]
>[footer]
>[pagenumber]
> 
> \setuphead
>[chapter]
>[header=chapterheader,
> footer=chapterfooter]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \dorecurse{10}
>{\expanded{\chapter{Chapter \recurselevel}}
> \dorecurse{\numexpr2*\recurselevel\relax}{\samplefile{knuth}}}
> 
> \stoptext
>  end example
> 
> Wolfgang


Thank you Wolfgang!

I tried to change your code from chapters to sections (since that's what I was 
already using) but it didn't work.  So, I switched my sections to chapters and 
it works great!  But it also caused me to run into other things I'd set up 
manually that I'm having to figure out---good way to learn!  Haha!

One thing I *CANNOT* figure out:  I've been using \doifoddpageelse to put in a 
blank/empty page at the end of a section (if needed) so that new sections 
always start on an odd page.  This is still working with the change to chapters 
from sections, EXCEPT for the first chapter (after TOC)!  Totally stuck with 
that one...

Thanks again!

hasta,
Mike

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Re: [NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Mike Cooper schrieb am 06.08.2020 um 17:15:

Hola,

I imagine this is probably simple but I can’t find it…

I want the first page only of each section to have particular content in 
header/footer, then all the following pages to different specific 
content.Right now, I am manually entering it in each section.I’m hoping 
there’s a way to automate this; put it into the environment file for all 
sections.


Of course you can set different header/footer layouts for chapter pages.

With  \setupheadertexts and \setupfootertexts you set first the text 
which should appear on regular pages.


To have a different text on a chapter page you can use the \definetext 
command to set them (third first argument is the name of the setup and 
the second argument the location). These setups than can applied to the 
chapter with the header and footer key in \setuphead.


 begin example
\setupheadertexts
  [Page \userpagenumber\ of \lastuserpagenumber]

\definetext
  [chapterheader] % name
  [header] % vertical position
  [This is a chapter page] % content

\definetext
  [chapterfooter]
  [footer]
  [pagenumber]

\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [header=chapterheader,
   footer=chapterfooter]

\starttext

\dorecurse{10}
  {\expanded{\chapter{Chapter \recurselevel}}
   \dorecurse{\numexpr2*\recurselevel\relax}{\samplefile{knuth}}}

\stoptext
 end example

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] custom header/footer for 1st/other pages of section

[Mike Cooper]

Hola,

I imagine this is probably simple but I can't find it...

I want the first page only of each section to have particular content in 
header/footer, then all the following pages to different specific content.  
Right now, I am manually entering it in each section.  I'm hoping there's a way 
to automate this; put it into the environment file for all sections.

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!


Mike Cooper
Technical Trainer
Murchison Drilling Schools, Inc.
2501 Juan Tabo NE
Albuquerque, NM 87112
Tel: (505) 293-6271
Fax: (505) 298-5294
Email: 
m...@murchisondrillingschools.com
Website: 
www.murchisondrillingschools.com
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