Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On 12/24/07, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Gour wrote: 5) I read LaTeX in proper ConTeXt pdf, but I'm interested is there some helper to convert classical LaTeX book (book class) to ConTeXt? I've two books which I'm considering to publish as one (~1000p) in the future, so any help in conversion would be nice. I do this quite often (ConTeXt - LaTeX), so I am just writing my thoughts about this. A general purpose translator from ConTeXt to LaTeX is VERY difficult, because of the nature of both macro languages. However, it is relatively simple to convert a subset of one to the other. Currently, I write most of my papers in ConTeXt. For the final version of the paper, most journals want LaTeX. I know my style of writing ConTeXt, and can easily convert 95% percent of it to LaTeX using regular expressions (and have been thinking of exploring gema in more detail: http://gema.sourceforge.net/). It is easier to do the rest by hand rather than writing a script that takes care of all the corner cases. Usually it takes me around 2 hours to convert a (30-40 page) paper from ConTeXt to LaTeX. Since this needs to be done only once every six months or so, I have not spent too much time trying to optimize my approach. I think that the same will be true for conversion from LaTeX to ConTeXt. However, I would suggest that you start by writing some ConTeXt documents by hand, before you automate the conversion. This way, you will know what you want to achieve from a conversion script. This is consistent with my experience. I suggest that anyone considering such conversions creating a simple test document with one example of each construct you use. I took Lamport's sample2e.tex, added a figure and a table, and then made a context version which is part of my test suite for new tex installations. -- George N. White III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:43:35 -0700, Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:39:56 -0700 Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why we need a team :-) Right. This sounds as reasonable proposal - let every expert writes his/her part. Anyway, as soon as luatex/mkiv is relatively stable, the hyperbola is still a bit too far from the asymptote at the moment... Hmm, isn't luatex already quite stable? It's in beta but there is still a ways to go and features etc. may change... same for mkiv (the ConTeXt interface) But we're getting there... Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:29:26 +0100 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes and no ... luatex's interfaces may change, as may some functionality (much starts as experiment, is tested, evolves, is optimized, etc); That's understandable, nothing to complain about. however, as long as you update the binaries and context mkiv at the same time you should be able to use it; OK. I've some problem in using it, but since I decided to migrate to ConTeXt (printed put in spiral binding 3 manuals today: excursion, manual commands), i.e. I'm concidering myself a new (old) ConTeXt user - I'll open a new thread for x86_64 install. i'm using luatex/mkiv is some projects since it's the only way to really torture test it (since taco and i are more or less constantly working on luatex/mkiv this is doable) Heh, I'll also try to use luatex exclusively hoping to hit some potential problem and help with some testing. Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:43:35 +0100 Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:39:56 -0700 Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why we need a team :-) Right. This sounds as reasonable proposal - let every expert writes his/her part. We're too less experts. Anyway, as soon as luatex/mkiv is relatively stable, the hyperbola is still a bit too far from the asymptote at the moment... Hmm, isn't luatex already quite stable? It's still a beta version but the bugs in the current version should be fixed and it should work with the latest stable ConTeXt without problems. I used it myself last week and found and the only real bug is fixed. Try it and send examples for problems. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Gour wrote: 5) I read LaTeX in proper ConTeXt pdf, but I'm interested is there some helper to convert classical LaTeX book (book class) to ConTeXt? I've two books which I'm considering to publish as one (~1000p) in the future, so any help in conversion would be nice. I do this quite often (ConTeXt - LaTeX), so I am just writing my thoughts about this. A general purpose translator from ConTeXt to LaTeX is VERY difficult, because of the nature of both macro languages. However, it is relatively simple to convert a subset of one to the other. Currently, I write most of my papers in ConTeXt. For the final version of the paper, most journals want LaTeX. I know my style of writing ConTeXt, and can easily convert 95% percent of it to LaTeX using regular expressions (and have been thinking of exploring gema in more detail: http://gema.sourceforge.net/). It is easier to do the rest by hand rather than writing a script that takes care of all the corner cases. Usually it takes me around 2 hours to convert a (30-40 page) paper from ConTeXt to LaTeX. Since this needs to be done only once every six months or so, I have not spent too much time trying to optimize my approach. I think that the same will be true for conversion from LaTeX to ConTeXt. However, I would suggest that you start by writing some ConTeXt documents by hand, before you automate the conversion. This way, you will know what you want to achieve from a conversion script. Another option is to write a ConTeXt module that will allow you to understand LaTeX. For most environments, this is simple. There are a few examples on the wiki about this. 6) the most important issue - by looking at luaTeX docs archives I noticed that it was mentioned there is some book on ConTeXt in preparation - I gave up on ConTeXt in the past due to this reason - lack of up-to-date documentation - didn't have enough time to try to sovle the puzzle by inspecting different 'magazines' etc. cause I was able to do the kob with LaTeX for which I've documentation in the form of paper books. Actually, from a user's point of view, most things are included in the ConTeXt manuals. They are not exhaustive or up-to-date, but do convey the essential information. For most tasks you do not need to know the current state of affairs in ConTeXt. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:11:49 +0100 Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:09:49 +0100 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :) Oh, then I'll stay with friendly lyx/latex... What does lyx have to do with đ and the (Slovenian) keyboard? Ahh, I understood you will start a party to remove support for 'đ' from ConTeXt as well :-) \catcode`đ=13 \letđ\relax \starttext dđ \stoptext Most problems have been resolved about two years ago. But it's true - đ didn't work for at least half a dozen of different reasons :) ok, ok...I'm 50% sold-out to move to ConTeXt ;) You should use XeTeX or LuaTeX and you're free from any problem because đ is now a normal letter as any other character and you could use all letters in label texts without problems. 2002? That must be somewhere aroud the bronze age for ConTeXt :-) Now is golden age? Well ... I would say ... you need to start somewhere and once you stumble upon something you don't know how to convert, ask on the list. Sure. I'll soon start posting when attempting to mimic some LaTeX behaviour. You should better use ConTeXt style and try to avoid LaTeX method, \quote and \quotation and not ` ... That's a taboo, that's why your original question has been removed :) Heh, that's why I felt some bad-smell...well, maybe I'm more persistent this time and/or someone is bold enough to speak about taboos :-) The ConTeXt manual, very difficult topic. All of us want it, nobody is able or motivated enough to write, we have a few experts for every topic (mathematics, fonts etc.) but none who who has knowledge about the whole system and too mayn features are hidden and only documented in the source. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:57:03 +0100 Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should use XeTeX or LuaTeX and you're free from any problem because đ is now a normal letter as any other character and you could use all letters in label texts without problems. Good. I plan to use LuaTeX if it is capable to typeset what I need. Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:39:56 -0700 Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why we need a team :-) Right. This sounds as reasonable proposal - let every expert writes his/her part. Anyway, as soon as luatex/mkiv is relatively stable, the hyperbola is still a bit too far from the asymptote at the moment... Hmm, isn't luatex already quite stable? Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
Hi! Recently I switched to emacs editor and at considered to leave lyx. At the same time, I'm again considering ConTeXt (was playing with it some years ago when it was receiving utf-8 support) - after reading about luaTeX MkIV development. Have several questions, so before firing them up, I'd like to ask about general etiquette on the list: should I throw them all in one email or divide as one_question/email ? Sincerely, Gour signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
Have several questions, so before firing them up, I'd like to ask about general etiquette on the list: should I throw them all in one email or divide as one_question/email ? hmm...boh. It depends: I prefear one email for each question plus an example to test; but maybe your questions are easy, so it's better one email . (BTW, it's not easy to say which questions are trivials ) -- luigi http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Luigi.scarso/Merry_Christmas_2007 it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:13:31 +0100 luigi scarso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm...boh. :-) It depends: I prefear one email for each question plus an example to test; OK. Will remember for the future... but maybe your questions are easy, so it's better one email . (BTW, it's not easy to say which questions are trivials ) My writing needs are from short simple docs (1--few pages long) over preparing educational presentations (with handouts) illustrated with graphics (both images SVG) for seminars (beamer-like) to be used with video-projector in classroom-like environments upt to the full size books by using Croatian English languages and Sanskrit diacritics (not Devanagari at the moment :-) So I'm interested whether: 1) ConTeXt can support all the above requirements? (In the past there were issues with some Croatian chars - iirc - đ Đ and some utf-8 problems in general.) 2) If I start with XeTeX engine, will those documents will be compatible with Mark IV? 3) can one run luaTeX on x86_64 (I use Arch Linux texlive) ? 4) how good is ConTeXt support in AUCTeX and what is the prospect to get preview-ConTeXt? 5) I read LaTeX in proper ConTeXt pdf, but I'm interested is there some helper to convert classical LaTeX book (book class) to ConTeXt? I've two books which I'm considering to publish as one (~1000p) in the future, so any help in conversion would be nice. 6) the most important issue - by looking at luaTeX docs archives I noticed that it was mentioned there is some book on ConTeXt in preparation - I gave up on ConTeXt in the past due to this reason - lack of up-to-date documentation - didn't have enough time to try to sovle the puzzle by inspecting different 'magazines' etc. cause I was able to do the kob with LaTeX for which I've documentation in the form of paper books. I have high appreciation for the ConTeXt package, as well as the present luaTeX development, but before diving into adventure of learning the (new) macro package (as investment for the future), I'm curious to know what is the present situation with the docs and/or if one can expect to buy some dead-tree version of it in the not-so-distant future? I hope the above questions are not too difficult so they justify putting them in a single email. Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
Le 22 décembre à 11:01:22 Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | My writing needs are from short simple docs (1--few pages long) over preparing | educational presentations (with handouts) illustrated with graphics (both images SVG) for | seminars (beamer-like) to be used with video-projector in classroom-like environments upt to | the full size books by using Croatian English languages and Sanskrit diacritics (not Devanagari | at the moment :-) Hi, For short documents and presentations you might find emacs-muse handy: http://mwolson.org/projects/EmacsMuse.html For more options on presentations see: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Presentations AucTeX support for ConTeXt is quite good, but I fear that a preview-latex equivalent is out of reach now (although is has been announced a while back). welcome ! -- Jean ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Dec 22, 2007 11:01 AM, Gour wrote: My writing needs are from short simple docs (1--few pages long) over preparing educational presentations (with handouts) illustrated with graphics (both images SVG) for seminars (beamer-like) to be used with video-projector in classroom-like environments upt to the full size books by using Croatian English languages and Sanskrit diacritics (not Devanagari at the moment :-) So I'm interested whether: 1) ConTeXt can support all the above requirements? Yes, except that there is no beamer package available in ConTeXt , but theoretically anything can be done. In addition to the core functionality: http://modules.contextgarden.net/taspresent http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps (In the past there were issues with some Croatian chars - iirc - đ Đ and some utf-8 problems in general.) 2.56$ for the first buggy đ found in ConTeXt :-) (We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :) That was before anyone started complaining about its non-functionality :). Now, unless fonts are problematic, it should work flawlessly. (not with texfont, since it uses ec.enc which is broken, but texfont is now a history anyway) Which general utf-8 problems? There might be some issues every now and then (in pdfTeX each character has to be defined separately and in LuaTeX there might be some new unpolished/non-debugged features), but they're usually resolved once someone complains. Exotic scripts don't work in pdfTeX of course. 2) If I start with XeTeX engine, will those documents will be compatible with Mark IV? You can always write incompatible code (by using XeTeX primitives), but in general you should be able to process XeTeX (ConTeXt) documents with LuaTeX without any problem (the only warning sign is that font definitions might still change a bit, but that only means changing a few top lines in your style file). The reverse is not neccessary true since you cannot use Lua in XeTeX. 3) can one run luaTeX on x86_64 (I use Arch Linux texlive) ? Sure. 4) how good is ConTeXt support in AUCTeX and what is the prospect to get preview-ConTeXt? AUCTeX is LaTeX oriented I guess, but I don't knom the details. 5) I read LaTeX in proper ConTeXt pdf, but I'm interested is there some helper to convert classical LaTeX book (book class) to ConTeXt? I've two books which I'm considering to publish as one (~1000p) in the future, so any help in conversion would be nice. It always depends on source, so creating a general converter is impossible. I would run search and replace a few times (depending on source), but that cannot solve everything. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:33:12 +0100 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, except that there is no beamer package available in ConTeXt , but theoretically anything can be done. Sure ;) In addition to the core functionality: http://modules.contextgarden.net/taspresent http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps Thanks. 2.56$ for the first buggy đ found in ConTeXt :-) He, he...let's try... (We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :) Oh, then I'll stay with friendly lyx/latex... That was before anyone started complaining about its non-functionality :). When I was exploring ConTeXt I was told about that from someone else. Strange, it was going on... Now, unless fonts are problematic, it should work flawlessly. (not with texfont, since it uses ec.enc which is broken, but texfont is now a history anyway) Let it stay 'history'. Which general utf-8 problems? There might be some issues every now and then (in pdfTeX each character has to be defined separately and in LuaTeX there might be some new unpolished/non-debugged features), but they're usually resolved once someone complains. Exotic scripts don't work in pdfTeX of course. See ml's archives in '02. utf-8 support was quite young then and I thought XML has some value :-) You can always write incompatible code (by using XeTeX primitives), Not soon :-) but in general you should be able to process XeTeX (ConTeXt) documents with LuaTeX without any problem (the only warning sign is that font definitions might still change a bit, but that only means changing a few top lines in your style file). i Ohh, that's cool...the work is under the hood... The reverse is not neccessary true since you cannot use Lua in XeTeX. Sure. 3) can one run luaTeX on x86_64 (I use Arch Linux texlive) ? Sure. That's nice. Both laptop desktop are 64-bit here. AUCTeX is LaTeX oriented I guess, but I don't knom the details. It says it supports ConTeXt and it does ;) It always depends on source, so creating a general converter is impossible. I would run search and replace a few times (depending on source), but that cannot solve everything. OK. This is not the rush. What about my last point: docs ? Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:00:48 +0100 Jean Magnan de Bornier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Thanks. AucTeX support for ConTeXt is quite good, but I fear that a preview-latex equivalent is out of reach now (although is has been announced a while back). I explored mailing-archives a bit, but didn't find much :-( so I sent a post to the list. welcome ! Thank you. Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Dec 22, 2007 3:19 PM, Gour wrote: (We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :) Oh, then I'll stay with friendly lyx/latex... What does lyx have to do with đ and the (Slovenian) keyboard? That was before anyone started complaining about its non-functionality :). When I was exploring ConTeXt I was told about that from someone else. Strange, it was going on... Most problems have been resolved about two years ago. But it's true - đ didn't work for at least half a dozen of different reasons :) Which general utf-8 problems? There might be some issues every now and then (in pdfTeX each character has to be defined separately and in LuaTeX there might be some new unpolished/non-debugged features), but they're usually resolved once someone complains. Exotic scripts don't work in pdfTeX of course. See ml's archives in '02. 2002? That must be somewhere aroud the bronze age for ConTeXt :-) AUCTeX is LaTeX oriented I guess, but I don't knom the details. It says it supports ConTeXt and it does ;) I'm sorry. I don't know that tool at all. It always depends on source, so creating a general converter is impossible. I would run search and replace a few times (depending on source), but that cannot solve everything. OK. This is not the rush. Well ... I would say ... you need to start somewhere and once you stumble upon something you don't know how to convert, ask on the list. What about my last point: docs ? That's a taboo, that's why your original question has been removed :) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:09:49 +0100 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :) Oh, then I'll stay with friendly lyx/latex... What does lyx have to do with đ and the (Slovenian) keyboard? Ahh, I understood you will start a party to remove support for 'đ' from ConTeXt as well :-) Most problems have been resolved about two years ago. But it's true - đ didn't work for at least half a dozen of different reasons :) ok, ok...I'm 50% sold-out to move to ConTeXt ;) 2002? That must be somewhere aroud the bronze age for ConTeXt :-) Now is golden age? Well ... I would say ... you need to start somewhere and once you stumble upon something you don't know how to convert, ask on the list. Sure. I'll soon start posting when attempting to mimic some LaTeX behaviour. That's a taboo, that's why your original question has been removed :) Heh, that's why I felt some bad-smell...well, maybe I'm more persistent this time and/or someone is bold enough to speak about taboos :-) Sincerely, Gour ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
