Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: I'll have to try it -- although first I want to understand all the corner cases with texexec. Context folks develop software faster than I can even read about it! By the way, where is newtexexec? I see the newtexexec.rb in the .zip file, and could presumably run it with ruby, but where is it supposed to end up? it is supposed to stay there and be launched using texmfstart (alsl ruby) Hans i remember from long ago that there's also some path trickery involved (btw, i'm not sure where the binaries live) Hmm, tell me more about that if you remember. well, tetex adding tex related bin paths to the (user) profile files which then could clash with other tex installations Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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From:Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i remember from long ago that there's also some path trickery involved
(btw, i'm not sure where the binaries live)
Hmm, tell me more about that if you remember.
well, tetex adding tex related bin paths to the (user) profile files
which then could clash with other tex installations
That is hopefully a thing of the past. I just checked all the
texmf.cnf files it sees, and it's only the system default even though
I have ~/.texmf-{config,var} directories made by tetex.
$ kpsewhere texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
This global texmf.cnf includes those two directories by default (at
least with tetex-3.0). A snip from there:
TEXMFHOME = $HOME/texmf
TEXMFVAR = $HOME/.texmf-var
TEXMFCONFIG = $HOME/.texmf-config
TEXMF =
{$TEXMFCONFIG,$TEXMFVAR,$TEXMFHOME,$TEXMFSYSCONFIG,!!$TEXMFSYSVAR,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN,!!$TEXMFDIST}
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Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
From:Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i remember from long ago that there's also some path trickery involved
(btw, i'm not sure where the binaries live)
Hmm, tell me more about that if you remember.
well, tetex adding tex related bin paths to the (user) profile files
which then could clash with other tex installations
That is hopefully a thing of the past. I just checked all the
texmf.cnf files it sees, and it's only the system default even though
I have ~/.texmf-{config,var} directories made by tetex.
$ kpsewhere texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
tmftools texmf.cnf
shows what file is used,
textools --find texmf.cnf
does a more extensive search
This global texmf.cnf includes those two directories by default (at
least with tetex-3.0). A snip from there:
TEXMFHOME = $HOME/texmf
TEXMFVAR = $HOME/.texmf-var
TEXMFCONFIG = $HOME/.texmf-config
TEXMF =
{$TEXMFCONFIG,$TEXMFVAR,$TEXMFHOME,$TEXMFSYSCONFIG,!!$TEXMFSYSVAR,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN,!!$TEXMFDIST}
indeed, quite some paths (i hope that $TEXMFPROJECT will make it into
there, although when i proposed that some reactions were that we already
have too many paths; interesting since most of the funny config/var/sys
ones mentioned in your example are probably empty anyway)
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Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
From:Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Should I add these steps to the Wiki in the Debian installation page?
Yes, please. But everything except the 'fmt.d' step sounds applicable
to other teTeX installations, so maybe you should create a completely
new 'teTeX update' page.
I agree, but the perfect is the enemy of the good so I just put the
instructions on the Debian page for review (hopefully it's all okay).
Pieces can be transplanted to the generic tetex page as people check
them and find them okay.
From:Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
that method rather than the raw tetex method. For one, xpdf has
recurring buffer overruns being discovered, and tetex (at least on
afaik this does not affect pdftex, since it uses only a small part of
the xpdf library
You're right. But tetex-3.0 gets updated quite often for various
reasons (15 updates in the last 12 months, from 3.0-1 to 3.0-15), and
I wanted to make a setup that doesn't involve any extra steps when
that happens (except for the one I cannot avoid now, reupdating
metapost to 0.901 -- but I sent Taco a Makefile to automate most of
that).
* deleted the ~/.texmf-var/web2c/{cont-en,mptopdf}.fmt (I didn't have
any metafun formats or I would delete them too).
hm, i could let texexec do that
That would be good. Then I could delete that info from the Wiki
page.
* did (cd ; kpsewhich --format=fmt cont-en ) to find any other
instances of cont-en.fmt, and then remove it:
rm /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.fmt
Same for mptopdf and (if any) metafun.
if you use newtexexe it will report more details about what it finds (it
is also more clever in making formats)
I'll have to try it -- although first I want to understand all the
corner cases with texexec. Context folks develop software faster than
I can even read about it! By the way, where is newtexexec? I see the
newtexexec.rb in the .zip file, and could presumably run it with ruby,
but where is it supposed to end up?
* As root, ran update-texmf to regenerate /etc/texmf/texmf.cnf
ah ... i hate that kind of duplications ... a source of hard to trace
problems; the teds (tex directory structure) is around for a while and
rather stable so i wonder why such config files have to en dup in etc;
just don't call it a config file; also, the kpse texmf.cnf model
provides for multiple cnf files
They preserve the TDS with a symlink: /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
points to the /etc/texmf/texmf.cnf file.
i remember from long ago that there's also some path trickery involved
(btw, i'm not sure where the binaries live)
Hmm, tell me more about that if you remember.
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Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: I just upgraded following the instructions on the wiki, and wanted to check that it went well and that the newer ones were being found -- always a nightmare subject in *TeX* with paths configurable by a combination of environment variables, config files, and config files chosen by other env variables. So: $ texexec --version TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2006 tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21 cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2006.3.28 mes: english Here is the version line in the output of 'texexec somerandomfile.tex': ConTeXt ver: 2006.03.25 13:21 fmt: 2006.4.6 int: english mes: english The context version date match what texexec --version produces (though texexec doesn't give the fmt date). But what does the early cont-en version date (2005.01.31) mean? context itself (the tex file) is recent, while your formats are old did you run texexec --make --all Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
Hans Hagen wrote:
context itself (the tex file) is recent, while your formats are old
did you run texexec --make --all
I had run 'texexec --make' (following the directions at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation). I just ran
'texexec --make --all' but the version info looks the same:
$ texexec --version
...
context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21
cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2006.3.28 mes: english
With the help of 'texexec --verbose --version' I think I tracked down
the reason.
On March 28th a friend told me that a paper we were writing was coming
out in A4 format, which would be fine for everyone outside the
Homeland. So I ran 'texconfig' and set the default paper to letter.
That created a ~/.texmf-var directory and generated lots of formats:
$ pwd
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c
$ ls -lt *.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 3070069 2006-03-28 10:31 pdfjadetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 3100416 2006-03-28 10:31 jadetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 225933 2006-03-28 10:31 mptopdf.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 5308842 2006-03-28 10:31 cont-en.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 420822 2006-03-28 10:30 amstex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 896740 2006-03-28 10:30 lamed.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 344826 2006-03-28 10:30 aleph.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 4024948 2006-03-28 10:30 lambda.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1189914 2006-03-28 10:30 omega.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 290204 2006-03-28 10:30 pdfetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1980649 2006-03-28 10:30 pdflatex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 290170 2006-03-28 10:30 etex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 260766 2006-03-28 10:30 pdftex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1980614 2006-03-28 10:30 latex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 247167 2006-03-28 10:30 tex.fmt
When I install the latest context with, say, 'texexec --make --all',
it creates these three formats:
$ pwd
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c
$ ls -lt `find -mindepth 2 -name '*.fmt'`
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 229571 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/mptopdf.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 6486671 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/cont-nl.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 6407346 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
However, the web2c/{mptopdf,cont-en}.fmt formats created by texconfig
shadow these formats:
$ (cd ; kpsewhich --format=fmt cont-en )
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/cont-en.fmt
I can easily fix it by deleting the cont-en and mptopdf formats made
by texconfig, but that is a hack -- a symptom of its hack nature being
that the next time I run texconfig, the shadowing formats will return
to web2c/.
Perhaps others have been bitten by this search-path trouble? Is there
a clean solution?
I'm using tetex-3.0 on a Debian testing/unstable system. The
/etc/texmf/texmf.cnf has this, which is the default:
TEXFORMATS = .;$TEXMF/web2c
with nothing special for pdfetex (e.g. no TEXFORMATS.pdfetex), so I
think texconfig was right to put formats in the web2c/. directory, and
texexec shouldn't put its formats in a web2c/pdfetex/ subdirectory.
This is the relevant piece from the 'texexec --verbose --make --all':
assuming engine : pdfetex
located formatpath (1) :
.:/home/sanjoy/.texmf-config/web2c:/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c:/home/sanjoy/texmf/web2c:/etc/texmf/web2c:!!/var/lib/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf-tetex/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf-texlive/web2c
located formatpath (2) :
.:/home/sanjoy/.texmf-config/web2c:/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c:/home/sanjoy/texmf/web2c:/etc/texmf/web2c:!!/var/lib/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf-tetex/web2c:!!/usr/share/texmf-texlive/web2c
located formatpath (3) : /home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c
using formatpath : /home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/pdfetex/
(appears three times, once for each format) It's the 'using
formatpath' line that worries me.
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Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
Hans Hagen wrote:
context itself (the tex file) is recent, while your formats are old
did you run texexec --make --all
I had run 'texexec --make' (following the directions at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation). I just ran
'texexec --make --all' but the version info looks the same:
$ texexec --version
...
context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21
cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2006.3.28 mes: english
With the help of 'texexec --verbose --version' I think I tracked down
the reason.
On March 28th a friend told me that a paper we were writing was coming
out in A4 format, which would be fine for everyone outside the
Homeland. So I ran 'texconfig' and set the default paper to letter.
That created a ~/.texmf-var directory and generated lots of formats:
$ pwd
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c
$ ls -lt *.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 3070069 2006-03-28 10:31 pdfjadetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 3100416 2006-03-28 10:31 jadetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 225933 2006-03-28 10:31 mptopdf.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 5308842 2006-03-28 10:31 cont-en.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 420822 2006-03-28 10:30 amstex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 896740 2006-03-28 10:30 lamed.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 344826 2006-03-28 10:30 aleph.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 4024948 2006-03-28 10:30 lambda.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1189914 2006-03-28 10:30 omega.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 290204 2006-03-28 10:30 pdfetex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1980649 2006-03-28 10:30 pdflatex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 290170 2006-03-28 10:30 etex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 260766 2006-03-28 10:30 pdftex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 1980614 2006-03-28 10:30 latex.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 247167 2006-03-28 10:30 tex.fmt
When I install the latest context with, say, 'texexec --make --all',
it creates these three formats:
$ pwd
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c
$ ls -lt `find -mindepth 2 -name '*.fmt'`
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 229571 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/mptopdf.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 6486671 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/cont-nl.fmt
-rw-r--r-- 1 sanjoy sanjoy 6407346 2006-04-06 10:26 ./pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
However, the web2c/{mptopdf,cont-en}.fmt formats created by texconfig
shadow these formats:
$ (cd ; kpsewhich --format=fmt cont-en )
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/cont-en.fmt
I can easily fix it by deleting the cont-en and mptopdf formats made
by texconfig, but that is a hack -- a symptom of its hack nature being
that the next time I run texconfig, the shadowing formats will return
to web2c/.
well, either use texconfig to generate context formats or use texexec --make ;
texconfig does not support the $engine subpath feature (too difficult to
implement) but we need this in order to distinguish between formats for pdftex,
aleph and xetex
Hans
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Hi, All this confusion with the formats and their paths is why my teTeX installation page starts with: De-install any existing teTeX That really is the least confusing option, IMO. If you really do not want to do that (because you only ever use pdftex, for example) simply always copy the formats generated by texexec over the ones generated by texconfig/fmtutil. Taco Hans Hagen wrote: I can easily fix it by deleting the cont-en and mptopdf formats made by texconfig, but that is a hack -- a symptom of its hack nature being that the next time I run texconfig, the shadowing formats will return to web2c/. well, either use texconfig to generate context formats or use texexec --make ; texconfig does not support the $engine subpath feature (too difficult to implement) but we need this in order to distinguish between formats for pdftex, aleph and xetex ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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Hans Hagen wrote:
well, either use texconfig to generate context formats or use
texexec --make
texconfig does not support the $engine subpath feature (too difficult
to implement) but we need this in order to distinguish between
formats for pdftex, aleph and xetex
Success:
$ texexec --version
TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE
1997-2005
texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE
1992-2006
tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21
cont-en : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21 fmt: 2006.4.6 mes:
english
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
All this confusion with the formats and their paths is why my teTeX
installation page starts with:
De-install any existing teTeX
That really is the least confusing option, IMO. If you really do not
want to do that (because you only ever use pdftex, for example)
simply always copy the formats generated by texexec over the ones
generated by texconfig/fmtutil.
I followed the Debian installation page using apt-get for the
latin-modern and cm-super fonts. Probably many Debian users prefer
that method rather than the raw tetex method. For one, xpdf has
recurring buffer overruns being discovered, and tetex (at least on
Debian) gets updated with the fixes -- and you want an installation
method that brings in the fix without having to reinstall everything
including context.
So what I did mixes in some of your raw tetex installation
instructions. I already had tetex-3.0 and a .texmf-var directory from
the texconfig run to switch to letter paper, and (Debian's?)
tetex-3.0's texmf.cnf puts formats there. So (once I had run texexec
--make):
* comment out the mptopdf, cont-en, and metafun lines in
/etc/texmf/fmt.d/01tetex.cnf, so that fmtutil won't try to make them
again.
* deleted the ~/.texmf-var/web2c/{cont-en,mptopdf}.fmt (I didn't have
any metafun formats or I would delete them too).
* did (cd ; kpsewhich --format=fmt cont-en ) to find any other
instances of cont-en.fmt, and then remove it:
rm /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.fmt
Same for mptopdf and (if any) metafun.
* Edited the TEXFORMATS line in /etc/texmf/texmf.d/45TeXinputs.cnf to
have the /{$engine,} magic:
TEXFORMATS = .;$TEXMF/web2c/{$engine,}
* As root, ran update-texmf to regenerate /etc/texmf/texmf.cnf
* Checked whether the new formats are found:
$ (cd ; kpsewhich -format=fmt --engine=pdfetex cont-en mptopdf metafun)
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/pdfetex/mptopdf.fmt
(No metafun yet, but that's okay.)
* Looks okay, so run 'texexec --version' to see whether it really is okay.
Should I add these steps to the Wiki in the Debian installation page?
-Sanjoy
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that method rather than the raw tetex method. For one, xpdf has
recurring buffer overruns being discovered, and tetex (at least on
afaik this does not affect pdftex, since it uses only a small part of
the xpdf library
* deleted the ~/.texmf-var/web2c/{cont-en,mptopdf}.fmt (I didn't have
any metafun formats or I would delete them too).
hm, i could let texexec do that
* did (cd ; kpsewhich --format=fmt cont-en ) to find any other
instances of cont-en.fmt, and then remove it:
rm /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.fmt
Same for mptopdf and (if any) metafun.
if you use newtexexe it will report more details about what it finds (it
is also more clever in making formats)
* Edited the TEXFORMATS line in /etc/texmf/texmf.d/45TeXinputs.cnf to
have the /{$engine,} magic:
TEXFORMATS = .;$TEXMF/web2c/{$engine,}
texexec / newtexexec dixes that runtime; afaik the tex live texmf.cnf
file has engine support (so i expected tetex to provide that as well,
even if it's not used)
* As root, ran update-texmf to regenerate /etc/texmf/texmf.cnf
ah ... i hate that kind of duplications ... a source of hard to trace
problems; the teds (tex directory structure) is around for a while and
rather stable so i wonder why such config files have to en dup in etc;
just don't call it a config file; also, the kpse texmf.cnf model
provides for multiple cnf files
i remember from long ago that there's also some path trickery involved
(btw, i'm not sure where the binaries live)
(btw, beware not to install tex live and tetex alongside )
* Checked whether the new formats are found:
$ (cd ; kpsewhich -format=fmt --engine=pdfetex cont-en mptopdf metafun)
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
/home/sanjoy/.texmf-var/web2c/pdfetex/mptopdf.fmt
(No metafun yet, but that's okay.)
* Looks okay, so run 'texexec --version' to see whether it really is okay.
newtexexec --check
Should I add these steps to the Wiki in the Debian installation page?
sure
Hans
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I wrote something about updating ConteXt in Fedora Core 5. INstead of creating a new page, see if this is applicable to your situation and if you can confirm/correct/delete information here: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ Linux_Installation#Updating_a_Linux_Installation:_Fedora_Core_5 Thomas On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:36 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: Should I add these steps to the Wiki in the Debian installation page? Yes, please. But everything except the 'fmt.d' step sounds applicable to other teTeX installations, so maybe you should create a completely new 'teTeX update' page. Cheers, taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
On 6 Apr 2006, at 18:06, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, All this confusion with the formats and their paths is why my teTeX installation page starts with: De-install any existing teTeX That really is the least confusing option, IMO. If you really do not want to do that (because you only ever use pdftex, for example) simply always copy the formats generated by texexec over the ones generated by texconfig/fmtutil. Currently, my fmtutil produced formats work fine: texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2006 tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) context : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06 cont-en : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06 fmt: 2006.4.6 mes: english cont-nl : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06 fmt: 2006.4.6 mes: dutch So, I wonder if I am misunderstanding something.What is wrong with using fmtutil to produce cont-en.fmt? G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
Gerben Wierda wrote:
On 6 Apr 2006, at 18:06, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi,
All this confusion with the formats and their paths is why my teTeX
installation page starts with:
De-install any existing teTeX
That really is the least confusing option, IMO. If you really do
not want to do that (because you only ever use pdftex, for example)
simply always copy the formats generated by texexec over the ones
generated by texconfig/fmtutil.
Currently, my fmtutil produced formats work fine:
texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2006
tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5)
context : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06
cont-en : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06 fmt: 2006.4.6 mes:
english
cont-nl : ver: 2006.04.05 20:06 fmt: 2006.4.6 mes:
dutch
So, I wonder if I am misunderstanding something.What is wrong with
using fmtutil to produce cont-en.fmt?
in the past we had fmt, efmt, ofmt, ... suffixes, one for each engine
(pdfetex, aleph, xetex, ...)
to simplify source code maintainance, this was dropped in favour of one
suffix, fmt
when this was discussed, the engine subpath (reflected in an $engine
variable set at runtime) came up as a solution to differentiate
between formats of engines, so:
web2c/pdfetex/whatever.fmt
web2c/aleph/whatever.fmt
web2c/xetex/whatever.fmt
and such.
So, i adapted texexec to this. However, it was decided that tetex fmtutil would
not support the engine feature. (if i'd known that in advance, i'd objected
against dropping the suffixes)
for lates, this is normally no problem since there each engine has its own
format name (latex, pdflatex, lambda, etc) while context has one format for all
(code adapts itself and drivers are loaded at runtime)
(this also means that in principle multiple nearly identical copies of latex
and plain are present, but one copy of context, unless one runs multiple user
interfaces)
so, as long as you generate formats with fmtutil, tex will find them in
web2c/
when texexec is used, it will create the engine paths and use them; however,
depending on the version of texlive / texexec, there may be a clash when there
is:
web2c/cont-en.fmt (could be for pdfetex, aleph or xetex)
web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
web2c/aleph/cont-en.fmt
web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt
now, it depends on how formats are looked up; if it's:
web2c//
then you're in trouble since it will never find the engine subpaths, so the
better definition is (in tex live if i'm right, but maybe not in tetex)
web2/{engine,}//
which will first take the engine specific format and next the whatever one,
so, if gwtex uses web2/{engine,}// texexec generated formats will be used, when
present, and otherwise fmtutil ones; using fmtutil and texexec --make mixed may
give problems
[(new)texexec, at runtime, will fix the engine path using an environment
variable unless it is set]
as usual, changes like this (as with lm and so) never are without problems and
because context follows such things closely, its users have to pay the price of
progress
Hans
(btw, due to the suffix change, there are probably old efmt files around)
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[NTG-context] version dates confuse me after upgrade
I just upgraded following the instructions on the wiki, and wanted to check that it went well and that the newer ones were being found -- always a nightmare subject in *TeX* with paths configurable by a combination of environment variables, config files, and config files chosen by other env variables. So: $ texexec --version TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2006 tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21 cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2006.3.28 mes: english Here is the version line in the output of 'texexec somerandomfile.tex': ConTeXt ver: 2006.03.25 13:21 fmt: 2006.4.6 int: english mes: english The context version date match what texexec --version produces (though texexec doesn't give the fmt date). But what does the early cont-en version date (2005.01.31) mean? -Sanjoy `A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.' - Bertrand de Jouvenal ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
