Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

2004-09-29 Thread Tobias Hilbricht
Am Mi, den 29.09.2004 schrieb Mojca Miklavec um 00:40:
  (there's no way to make such a trivial thing 
 as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees).

Well, it is possible by abusing the basal structures ONE and SIX. As
an example for a 120 degree angle using SIX see the sample some messages
before in this thread.
However, you are right, there are things which are not present, such as
certain bonds etc.

Yours sincerely

Tobias Hilbricht

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Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

2004-09-28 Thread Mojca Miklavec
In my opinion - it's not only its complexity preventing the users from 
using it, but also it's insufficient flexibility. As long as I 
understood the manual (and tried to draw some formulas), it is possible 
to create a certain subset of images, which covers the most needs, but 
certainly not all of them (there's no way to make such a trivial thing 
as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees).

see: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-ppchtex/2002/02.html
Even the ones with lots of experience gave up.
Perhaps chemistry is too complex to be applied easily without some help 
of graphical tools. SMILES 
(http://www.daylight.com/dayhtml/smiles/ssmiles.html) could be a 
solution, say

   \startSSMILES
   CC(=O)O
   \stopSSMILES
producing a nice picture of acetic acid (using metafun), but perhaps 
still not serving all the puposes a chemist needs.

Mojca
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I believe your problem is that ppchtex is a very specialistic package
and there are not that many people using it to it's full capacity. As a 
result of that, there isn't that much expert knowledge available. Personally,
I don't understand any of it. Luckily, the only chemical stuff I have ever had 
to typeset could be done by cutpaste and making trivial changes to the 
examples in the manual.

Greetings, Taco
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:47:18 +0200, Thomas wrote:
Hi to all,
One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems!
What's going wrong!
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Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

2004-09-14 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 14.09.2004 um 11:17 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug
(at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its 
tail (ca. 3kB).
I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a 
message,
that the list was moderated.
what tail?
Sorry, I don't like to moderate between TeX-D-L and here (and will be 
off from tomorrow to end of September)...
CC to Thomas Meyer: Please care for yourself now.

Thomas Meyer wrote, some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work, the error message 
was:
ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence
He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should 
mark it red in the wiki...)
His file ppchtex.tex ends like:

\def\cpos#1#2%
  {\iftrialtypesetting
 #2%
   \else
 \bgroup
 \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical
3390
 
\gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}%
 #2%
 \egroup
  \fi}

\fi
\protect \endinput
Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex 
version from TeX Live 2003,
there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely \fi, but 
the file is 3kB bigger,
but both show the same date of 1997-03-19 (I guess this date is only 
the creation date and not
altered at changes, isn't it?)

With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas.
Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work 
again.

I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported 
by PPCHTeX.

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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