Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
Am 18.01.2012 um 02:47 schrieb Kip Warner: Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of \definedescription? WIth \definedescription you create a new command (e.g. \definition) and environment (e.g. \startdefinition … \stopdefinition). With \setupdescriptions you can afterwards change the values of the previous defined command/environment. Each new created command has always default values for the location, style and color of the title etc. which be either changed when you create the command (\definedescription[…][..,.=.,..]) or afterwards (\setupdescriptions[…][..,.=.,..]). Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 09:26 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 18.01.2012 um 02:47 schrieb Kip Warner: Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of \definedescription? WIth \definedescription you create a new command (e.g. \definition) and environment (e.g. \startdefinition \stopdefinition). With \setupdescriptions you can afterwards change the values of the previous defined command/environment. Each new created command has always default values for the location, style and color of the title etc. which be either changed when you create the command (\definedescription[][..,.=.,..]) or afterwards (\setupdescriptions[][..,.=.,..]). Wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang. I kind of understand. But when you say create a new command, how does ConTeXt know what the command does? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
Am 18.01.2012 um 23:39 schrieb Kip Warner: On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 09:26 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 18.01.2012 um 02:47 schrieb Kip Warner: Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of \definedescription? WIth \definedescription you create a new command (e.g. \definition) and environment (e.g. \startdefinition \stopdefinition). With \setupdescriptions you can afterwards change the values of the previous defined command/environment. Each new created command has always default values for the location, style and color of the title etc. which be either changed when you create the command (\definedescription[][..,.=.,..]) or afterwards (\setupdescriptions[][..,.=.,..]). Wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang. I kind of understand. But when you say create a new command, how does ConTeXt know what the command does? The following is only a simplified explanation. When you define a new command with \definedescription, e.g. \definedescription[definition] you get the commands \definition and \startdefinition Both are only shortcuts for \dodescription[definition] and \dostartdescription[definition], as you can see the internal command tells context that it’s dealing with a description and “definition” is only the name of the instance. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 11:44 +0900, Vladimir Lomov wrote:
Actually Vladimir, Vlad is usually used as short for Vladislav.
Except in the case of my buddy Vlad(imir) here in Vancouver ;)
(not an expert, just read command reference)
(1) What is the difference between \definedescription and
\setupdescriptions?
the first should define new description, the second change style of
already defined description.
Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of
\definedescription?
I suppose no, '\define...', eh-m, defines a command while '\setup...', eh-m,
sets up its 'style'. When one defines a command one could set its
custom 'style' instead of default.
Consider the following example:
example file=ex1.tex
\starttext
\definedescription[definition]
Why is this above command necessary? Why can one not simply begin with
the next one, \definition{Hi}?
\definition{Hi} This is first definition.
May be because this is an example? I would say that ConTeX User Manual
shows different commands from context itself and how one could define
custom commands. The '\definition' is one them.
???
I don't know but reading manuals (context and latex ones), wiki and etc
somehow convince me that 'head' relates with section heading (styling),
for the rest there are '\setup...' commands and 'headstyle' key (not
always, of course), may be that's why I always consult reference on wiki
and sometimes source code.
It's kind of inconsistent that it isn't using a \setuphead, but I
suppose it doesn't matter now as I got the desired effect =)
Thanks Vladimir =)
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 23:58 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: When you define a new command with \definedescription, e.g. \definedescription[definition] you get the commands \definition and \startdefinition Both are only shortcuts for \dodescription[definition] and \dostartdescription[definition], as you can see the internal command tells context that it’s dealing with a description and “definition” is only the name of the instance. Wolfgang I guess my confusion is why do you need to call \definedescription when you just want a \definition to typeset? Shouldn't the command already be available? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
Am 19.01.2012 um 00:03 schrieb Kip Warner: On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 23:58 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: When you define a new command with \definedescription, e.g. \definedescription[definition] you get the commands \definition and \startdefinition Both are only shortcuts for \dodescription[definition] and \dostartdescription[definition], as you can see the internal command tells context that it’s dealing with a description and “definition” is only the name of the instance. Wolfgang I guess my confusion is why do you need to call \definedescription when you just want a \definition to typeset? Shouldn't the command already be available? When there would be a predefined description command I would prefer \description and \startdescription but not \definition but it’s hard to say which command should be available by default everyone has a different opinion. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 00:12 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: When there would be a predefined description command I would prefer \description and \startdescription but not \definition but it’s hard to say which command should be available by default everyone has a different opinion. Thanks Wolfgang. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 13:38 +0900, Vladimir Lomov wrote:
Hey Vlad.
(not an expert, just read command reference)
(1) What is the difference between \definedescription and
\setupdescriptions?
the first should define new description, the second change style of
already defined description.
Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of
\definedescription?
(2) What is the difference between \definition and \description?
This example
example
\starttext
\definition{Hi}
\stoptext
/example
gives error: Undefined control sequence Where this command is
defined?
In section 10.2 of the ConTeXt User Manual (p222 of the pdf). Maybe it
is a type:
...
An example of the definition is:
\definedescription[definition][location=top,headstyle=bold]
search
\definition{icon}
...
Or maybe you mean \description which is on the same page.
(3) How do I change the colour of the definition header? I tried the
following, but it did not work:
\setuphead
[definition]
[color=colour_head]
If I were you I would do that:
example
\starttext
\definedescription[definition][headcolor=colour_head]
\definition{Hi}. This is definition.
\setupdescriptions[definition][headcolor=colour_head2]
\definition{Hi2}. This is second definition.
\stoptext
/example
Thank you. That makes sense now. But why does \setuphead[definition]
method not work?
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
Hello,
** Kip Warner [2012-01-17 17:47:21 -0800]:
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 13:38 +0900, Vladimir Lomov wrote:
Hey Vlad.
Actually Vladimir, Vlad is usually used as short for Vladislav.
(not an expert, just read command reference)
(1) What is the difference between \definedescription and
\setupdescriptions?
the first should define new description, the second change style of
already defined description.
Ah, so \setupdescriptions inherits the default values of
\definedescription?
I suppose no, '\define...', eh-m, defines a command while '\setup...', eh-m,
sets up its 'style'. When one defines a command one could set its
custom 'style' instead of default.
Consider the following example:
example file=ex1.tex
\starttext
\definedescription[definition]
\definition{Hi} This is first definition.
\setupdescriptions[definition][headstyle=italic,color=blue]
\definition{Hi2} This is second definition.
\stoptext
/example
The first 'definition' would be:
[bold] TEXT
after '\setup...' it would be
[italic] BLUE COLORTEXT/BLUE COLOR
(2) What is the difference between \definition and \description?
This example
example
\starttext
\definition{Hi}
\stoptext
/example
gives error: Undefined control sequence Where this command is
defined?
In section 10.2 of the ConTeXt User Manual (p222 of the pdf). Maybe it
is a type:
...
An example of the definition is:
\definedescription[definition][location=top,headstyle=bold]
search
\definition{icon}
...
Or maybe you mean \description which is on the same page.
May be because this is an example? I would say that ConTeX User Manual
shows different commands from context itself and how one could define
custom commands. The '\definition' is one them.
(3) How do I change the colour of the definition header? I tried the
following, but it did not work:
\setuphead
[definition]
[color=colour_head]
If I were you I would do that:
example
\starttext
\definedescription[definition][headcolor=colour_head]
\definition{Hi}. This is definition.
\setupdescriptions[definition][headcolor=colour_head2]
\definition{Hi2}. This is second definition.
\stoptext
/example
Thank you. That makes sense now. But why does \setuphead[definition]
method not work?
I don't know but reading manuals (context and latex ones), wiki and etc
somehow convince me that 'head' relates with section heading (styling),
for the rest there are '\setup...' commands and 'headstyle' key (not
always, of course), may be that's why I always consult reference on wiki
and sometimes source code.
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions on \definition
Hello,
** Kip Warner [2012-01-16 19:52:39 -0800]:
Hey list,
A couple of questions concerning \definition:
(not an expert, just read command reference)
(1) What is the difference between \definedescription and
\setupdescriptions?
the first should define new description, the second change style of
already defined description.
(2) What is the difference between \definition and \description?
This example
example
\starttext
\definition{Hi}
\stoptext
/example
gives error: Undefined control sequence Where this command is
defined?
(3) How do I change the colour of the definition header? I tried the
following, but it did not work:
\setuphead
[definition]
[color=colour_head]
If I were you I would do that:
example
\starttext
\definedescription[definition][headcolor=colour_head]
\definition{Hi}. This is definition.
\setupdescriptions[definition][headcolor=colour_head2]
\definition{Hi2}. This is second definition.
\stoptext
/example
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