Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Am Do, den 30.12.2004 schrieb Hans Hagen um 10:32:
Tobias Hilbricht wrote:
Am So, den 26.12.2004 schrieb h h extern um 21:33:
I was trying to use the macros provided by supp-fun.tex some month before,
but I could not get numbers instead of letters to work - see the little
example below. How can I solve that problem?
The magic is in:
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}
Dear Hans,
thanks for your reply! I noticed \DroppedString in supp-fun.tex and
tried to include numbers there (to have it permanent) before I asked on
this list, but that did not work. Now after your reply I tried a
definition of \DroppedString including numbers in the document preamble,
and then it works. Is it possible to perform the extended definition of
\DroppedString in supp-fun.tex directly? Just changing
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}
to
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
in supp-fun.tex does not work for me.
Thanks again
Yours sincerely
Tobias Hilbricht
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Tobias Hilbricht wrote:
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
in supp-fun.tex does not work for me.
Can you send me a minimal test file that fails
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Am Mo, den 03.01.2005 schrieb Hans Hagen um 11:06:
Tobias Hilbricht wrote:
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
in supp-fun.tex does not work for me.
Can you send me a minimal test file that fails
In supp-fun.tex (version=1995.10.10) I have added in line 122 the numbers:
\def\DroppedString%
{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
The following example does not work for the numbers here (but for the
letters it works):
%-example
\def\MyDroppedCaps%
{\DroppedCaps
{} {uplr8t}
{2\baselineskip} {3pt} {\baselineskip} {2}}
\language[de]
\starttext
\MyDroppedCaps H allo ich bin das H und bin am Anfang des Abschnittssehr gros
geraten. Aber ich kann mich auch klein machen und sehe dannso aus: h!
\MyDroppedCaps 1 2 3 im Sauseschritt bringen wir die Liebe mit.
\stoptext
%--example
However, adding
\def\DroppedString%
{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
(i.e. the very same lines) to the document preamble
of the example above works for numbers and letters as expected.
Yours sincerely
Tobias Hilbricht
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Tobias Hilbricht wrote:
However, adding
\def\DroppedString%
{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789}
(i.e. the very same lines) to the document preamble
of the example above works for numbers and letters as expected.
since supp-fun is part of the kernel, you need to regenerate a format after a
change, so, adding the numbers in the document is ok; another option is:
\appended\def\DroppedString{0123456789}
in either your document, or in your local cont-sys.tex
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Am Mo, den 03.01.2005 schrieb Hans Hagen um 13:32:
since supp-fun is part of the kernel, you need to regenerate a format after a
change, so, adding the numbers in the document is ok; another option is:
\appended\def\DroppedString{0123456789}
in either your document, or in your local cont-sys.tex
Thank you for your help! I was not aware of the required format
regeneration - sorry for bothering you.
Yours sincerely
Tobias Hilbricht
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Tobias Hilbricht wrote:
Am So, den 26.12.2004 schrieb h h extern um 21:33:
John Culleton wrote:
But this is not the only type of versal. Sometimes a large capital letter
(perhaps in italics) is centered on the top of the textblock thus:
Did you look into supp-fun.tex?
I was trying to use the macros provided by supp-fun.tex some month before,
but I could not get numbers instead of letters to work - see the little
example below. How can I solve that problem?
The magic is in:
\def\DroppedString{ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Am So, den 26.12.2004 schrieb h h extern um 21:33:
John Culleton wrote:
But this is not the only type of versal. Sometimes a large capital letter
(perhaps in italics) is centered on the top of the textblock thus:
Did you look into supp-fun.tex?
I was trying to use the macros provided by supp-fun.tex some month before,
but I could not get numbers instead of letters to work - see the little
example below. How can I solve that problem?
Thanks for helpful hints in advance!
Yours sincerely
Tobias Hilbricht
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\def\MyDroppedCaps%
{\DroppedCaps
{} {uplr8t}
{2\baselineskip} {3pt} {\baselineskip} {2}}
\language[de]
\starttext
\MyDroppedCaps H allo ich bin das H und bin am Anfang des Abschnitts sehr gros
geraten.
Aber ich kann mich auch klein machen und
sehe dann so aus: h!
\MyDroppedCaps 1 2 3 im Sauseschritt bringen wir die Liebe mit.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
John Culleton wrote: But this is not the only type of versal. Sometimes a large capital letter (perhaps in italics) is centered on the top of the textblock thus: Did you look into supp-fun.tex? A matter of continuing interest is the sidebar, which can be placed in the outer margin, or flush left or right in a paragraph, or partly protruding into the outer margin. Usually these sidebars will have a gray background and often have a border. It appears that creating the sidebar separately as a pdf graphic and then importing and placing it would be the easiest way home. Context already has mechanisms for flowing or wrapping text around a graphic. How well the wraparound feature works when more than one short paragraph is involved I have not tested yet. the mp based background mechanism can handle that: see plus-rul.tex (there is also another mechanism available which permits rather nasty variants but i still had no time to document it, so it's currently a hidden feature) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
h h extern said this at Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:33:44 +0100:
Context already has mechanisms for flowing or wrapping text around a
graphic.
How well the wraparound feature works when more than one short
paragraph is
involved I have not tested yet.
the mp based background mechanism can handle that: see plus-rul.tex
(there is also another mechanism available which permits rather nasty
variants
but i still had no time to document it, so it's currently a hidden feature)
plus-rul is interesting, but I'm 98% certain that when John talks about
sidebars, he means what you call intermezzos. My interpretation, using
the things I do know (or figured out this morning):
\setupfloat [intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\starttext
\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\framedtext[width=7cm]{\tfx\input dawkins }}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
What I don't know, however, is: 1) how to force a width on flowed text
within a float without resorting to the internal \framedtext, or 2) how
to use this with \splitfloat, which is what I suspect people who think
about sidebars (intermezzo texts) are going to be worried about in a
batch-based system.
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
On Monday 27 December 2004 06:33, Adam Lindsay wrote:
h h extern said this at Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:33:44 +0100:
Context already has mechanisms for flowing or wrapping text around a
graphic.
How well the wraparound feature works when more than one short
paragraph is
involved I have not tested yet.
the mp based background mechanism can handle that: see plus-rul.tex
(there is also another mechanism available which permits rather nasty
variants
but i still had no time to document it, so it's currently a hidden
feature)
plus-rul is interesting, but I'm 98% certain that when John talks about
sidebars, he means what you call intermezzos. My interpretation, using
the things I do know (or figured out this morning):
Adam is right. Think of an intermezzo with a gray background but either in
the margin,or placed in the outer part of the text block like an
illustration, or protruding from the text block. The term sidebar is
American magazine usage. Generally a sidebar in this sense contains a
summary of the contents of the page or repeats an important point.
Bill McClain in his tutorial covers an in margin sidebar but without the gray
background which can be tricky. The Context Manual gives examples of
graphics in the text block with text flowing around them. The Details Manual
shows graphics protruding into the margin, but I would envision protruding no
more than 50% of the width of the inserted item.
I will play with the code below to see what luck I have.
\setupfloat [intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\starttext
\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\framedtext[width=7cm]{\tfx\input dawkins }}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
What I don't know, however, is: 1) how to force a width on flowed text
within a float without resorting to the internal \framedtext, or 2) how
to use this with \splitfloat, which is what I suspect people who think
about sidebars (intermezzo texts) are going to be worried about in a
batch-based system.
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
John Culleton said this at Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:10:06 -0500:
Adam is right. Think of an intermezzo with a gray background but either in
the margin,or placed in the outer part of the text block like an
illustration, or protruding from the text block. The term sidebar is
American magazine usage. Generally a sidebar in this sense contains a
summary of the contents of the page or repeats an important point.
Ah, grey's easy, since these blocks are get most of their juice from the
frame mechanisms:
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupfloat [intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default={outer,high},
background=color,
backgroundcolor=gray]
(High seems a little better for the aesthetics of the block placement.)
I figured out what I needed from the Details manual, so you were on the
right track, anyway.
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
John Culleton wrote:
On Monday 27 December 2004 06:33, Adam Lindsay wrote:
plus-rul is interesting, but I'm 98% certain that when John talks about
sidebars, he means what you call intermezzos. My interpretation, using
the things I do know (or figured out this morning):
\setupfloat [intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\starttext
\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\framedtext[width=7cm]{\tfx\input dawkins }}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
What I don't know, however, is: 1) how to force a width on flowed text
within a float without resorting to the internal \framedtext, or 2) how
to use this with \splitfloat, which is what I suspect people who think
about sidebars (intermezzo texts) are going to be worried about in a
batch-based system.
For my applications I don't need a lengthy sidebar that will overflow to
another page.
I ran Adam's code as is and noted with interest the results. Then I added the
gray background, rounded corners etc. Some things are still problems.
1. Two words in the main text (both influenced) actually intrude into the
sidebar.
1a. One word in the sidebar (influencing) overflows the dimensions of the
background. (but see 3 below.)
2. If I specify a background screen and a frame with rounded corners the
background remains rectangular and does not round to match the frame.
\starttext
\setupcolors[state=start]
\framed[corner=round,background=color,backgroundcolor=red]{HELLO}
\framed[corner=round,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.6]{HELLO}
\setupfloat
[intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\defineframedtext
[myohmy]
[width=7cm,bodyfont=small,corner=round,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.6]
\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\startmyohmy \input dawkins \relax\stopmyohmy}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
On Monday 27 December 2004 14:29, Hans Hagen wrote:
\starttext
\setupcolors[state=start]
\framed[corner=round,background=color,backgroundcolor=red]{HELLO}
\framed[corner=round,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.6]{HELLO}
\setupfloat
[intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\defineframedtext
[myohmy]
[width=7cm,bodyfont=small,corner=round,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.
6]
\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\startmyohmy \input dawkins \relax\stopmyohmy}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
AHA!
I fiddled a bit to correct justification, and to get rid of the frame. Forced
hyphenation could have corrected things without so much tolerance.
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\setupcolors[state=start]
\tolerance=1000
\frenchspacing
\starttext
\framed[corner=round,background=color,backgroundcolor=red]{HELLO}
\framed[corner=round,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.6]{HELLO}
\setupfloat
[intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer,high]
\setupcaption[intermezzo][location=none]
\defineframedtext
[myohmy]
[width=7cm,bodyfont=small,
frame=off,
backgroundcorner=round,
backgroundradius=16pt,background=screen,backgroundscreen=.7]
%\showframe
\input ward
\placeintermezzo{}{\startmyohmy \frenchspacing\tolerance=7000\input dawkins
\relax\stopmyohmy}
\dorecurse{3}{\input knuth \par}
\stoptext
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The only defect I can spot, and this is really a nit-pick, are the short lines
in the main body text just above and just below the intermezzo/sidebar.
This is really very valuable.
A low bow in the direction of my mentors, Hans and Adam.
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
John Culleton said this at Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:29:10 -0500:
\setupfloat
[intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default=outer,high]
The only defect I can spot, and this is really a nit-pick, are the short
lines
in the main body text just above and just below the intermezzo/sidebar.
Ah, that's the aesthetics I mentioned earlier: put the curly braces
around outer,high that sends both values to the default:
\setupfloat
[intermezzo]
[leftmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
rightmargindistance=-\outercombitotal,
default={outer,high}]
Delving further into details.pdf (I got this from a day of playing with
it--which is hardly adequate for really digesting one of Hans's manuals)
will probably yield even better results.
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Re: [NTG-context] Sidebars and versals Oh my!
Hans Hagen said this at Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:19:18 +0100: Delving further into details.pdf (I got this from a day of playing with it--which is hardly adequate for really digesting one of Hans's manuals) will probably yield even better results. ok, i know they're sub optimal, Not meant to be a critique! It's just that they're incredibly dense with information that is easily missed on the first (or fourth) reading. The good thing is that so much is in there... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lancaster University, InfoLab21+44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
