RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
absoloutely. But consider why the us went into Europe - would you want to Have a Fascist Nutter occupy europe and russia? who would have been the next target? go figure. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 September 2001 16:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm ** Website - WWW.COOP.CO.UK This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, United Co-op disclaims all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. ** http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
And we could have easily sat back and waited until our continent (not just our territory) was attacked, but we didn't. Sure the Sleeping Giant was awoke, but he didn't respond back to Japan only (or even primarily for that matter). We can all sit back now and question why we didn't enter earlier. It is easy to question policy when hindsight is 20/20. However, what you can't question is whether or not America just beefed up it's on shores and waited for Germany to bring the war to them or whether they sent the kids overseas to stop a country that was attacking countries that are geographically nowhere near the contiguous 48 states. America provided all of the help that Europe asked for, for years leading up to Pearl Harbor. At the time no one knew that America should have entered on principal because no one was aware of the Final Plan and all that went along with it. This is a perfect example of how people want America to stay out of their issues. This is was the attitude that De Galle and Churchill both expressed early on. We provided them with what they asked for. Japan attacked us and instead of just attacking them back America realized that it really needed to fight on both fronts. It did so and helped the world pull through. Contrast that to Russia's position. They were very similar to America and they were sticking it out also. Russia entered into a treaty with Germany even. Russia was then attacked by Germany. They didn't immediately send a fleet over to the Philippines. They didn't get with England and say, What do you need? They fortified their borders and defended themselves. Whether or not America entered early enough will always be debated. Whether or not they were primarily responsible for winning is not. Whether or not they could/should have just turned their fury on Japan and left Europe alone seems debatable to me. Whether or not they did so does not. We didn't enter it as soon as we could (although I do believe it was as soon as we were asked). But we most certainly did not fight this war as someone with THEIR security snip threatened. or it would have been handled on a different stage. We had no known issue with Germany other than the fact that they were starting to beat our neighbors. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. Not unless we fought our war solely against Japan and I think a quick perusal of any history book will tell you that this is not what happened. Germany would have let us clean Japan's clock if it would have meant us not entering into the European conflict. We chose to not even try this route. Again, I don't see how any of this was not helping our neighbors as they were given what they said they needed from us. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves. Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors. To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world is just silly. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field. And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved. This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding with what was going on at the time. I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
And, regardless of who jumps in first, the Brits are always at our side in every conflict or tough touchy world situation that I can remember and I'm 62 years old. Murray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered. Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing field
RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Now I know, why you always claimed you are not 20 year old Canadian!! Cheers -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack And, regardless of who jumps in first, the Brits are always at our side in every conflict or tough touchy world situation that I can remember and I'm 62 years old. Murray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here
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Since I haven't seen any mention yet, I would like to state my appreciation and gratitude to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The words he had to say about the tragedy in NY and his position to stand beside America were uplifting and heart-warming. Regards, Sean Martin, MCSE Network Administrator Ribelin Lowell Company Insurance Brokers, Inc. 3111 C Street, Suite 300 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 Ph: (907) 561-1250 Fax: (907) 561-4315 Cell: (907) 229-0885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack And, regardless of who jumps in first, the Brits are always at our side in every conflict or tough touchy world situation that I can remember and I'm 62 years old. Murray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit
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It isn't Then which listserv am I signed on to? LOL Murray -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Hey guys! This isn't a history class. Let's get going now. No pun intended. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US after that. -Original Message- From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour. Sure they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened. So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well. -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack We all won the war... The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here. We all lost people in WWII. The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe. Numerous countries were
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Well, it is the least he can do. We have had a lot of terrorist attacks, including many fatalities over the years here in London, but I don't think any have had an effect like the ones you guys went through. I am sure Tony Blair was speaking for 99% of people here. -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 20:48 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Since I haven't seen any mention yet, I would like to state my appreciation and gratitude to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The words he had to say about the tragedy in NY and his position to stand beside America were uplifting and heart-warming. Regards, Sean Martin, MCSE Network Administrator Ribelin Lowell Company Insurance Brokers, Inc. 3111 C Street, Suite 300 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 Ph: (907) 561-1250 Fax: (907) 561-4315 Cell: (907) 229-0885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack And, regardless of who jumps in first, the Brits are always at our side in every conflict or tough touchy world situation that I can remember and I'm 62 years old. Murray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet first. Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know today had England not fought as it did during WWII. Evan -Original Message- From: Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started. Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and we entered from the start. I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that steps-in. And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and condolences. Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night :( Greg -Original Message- From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack Trust me. By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that America was involved on both fronts. We were already sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.). All that was missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them. America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount on the other front also. Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for. Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything. Although in this case, war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in. Of course those are my 2 cents. Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't. JayW [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM Except that the US declared war on Japan only. Germany and Italy declared war on the US
