Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Sound advice regarding the setting up of a lab and I certainly intend to put my foot down for some lab kit when asked to implement a migration for my company. Have run the client beta of XP a couple of times and although very impressed with the features, feel and especially would could be the invaluable Terminal services running on it, both of my installations ended up in oblivion, just couldn't boot into them one day and after a few efforts couldn't be bothered to salvage them. Probably because it was a beta and not as stable as the released product will hopefully be. Regards, James. Just something to consider. Windows 2002 Server will have some improvements to Active Directory that are worth waiting for if your CO is sizeable and already has an X500/LDAP infrastructure built. We went so far as to test the alpha code to see if it fixed the problems we were seeing with a couple of tweaks recommendations to Mickey$oft, beta code ran the integration fine... (of course, that was in the lab). From a migration stand point, scale up a lab fully, set up 2 BDC's in your current domain, get them stable then pull them out put it in the lab on an isolated network. Promote 1 to PDC and go to town with migration testing. Every installation is unique and this exercise is well worth testing. Also when you're migrating have a back out plan (ie. build a BDC pull it from the network just before you execute). - Original Message - From: Owsley, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you haven't : experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please : don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals : who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, : please forgive me. : : Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT domain : to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on Windows : 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any reason to wait : for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called? : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in : the market? : : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags : won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
I strongly agree with the lab setup, you need more than just the DCs, you need a fair representation of all major systems running that will have interaction with the Domain Controllers/GCs in the new world. I did a 2K setup, but would wait for XP if time permits, unless you have a very simple AD design. XP will have some stuff that may be easier to implement from scratch, AD replication partitioning comes to mind. Good luck, Kevin +---+ Kevin Flanagan C/S Planning Engineer III I/T Implementation Department Branch Banking Trust Company 3261 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 116 MC: 172-85-01-00 Raleigh, NC 27604 Voice: 919-716-6209 -Original Message- From: James Gosnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP Sound advice regarding the setting up of a lab and I certainly intend to put my foot down for some lab kit when asked to implement a migration for my company. Have run the client beta of XP a couple of times and although very impressed with the features, feel and especially would could be the invaluable Terminal services running on it, both of my installations ended up in oblivion, just couldn't boot into them one day and after a few efforts couldn't be bothered to salvage them. Probably because it was a beta and not as stable as the released product will hopefully be. Regards, James. Just something to consider. Windows 2002 Server will have some improvements to Active Directory that are worth waiting for if your CO is sizeable and already has an X500/LDAP infrastructure built. We went so far as to test the alpha code to see if it fixed the problems we were seeing with a couple of tweaks recommendations to Mickey$oft, beta code ran the integration fine... (of course, that was in the lab). From a migration stand point, scale up a lab fully, set up 2 BDC's in your current domain, get them stable then pull them out put it in the lab on an isolated network. Promote 1 to PDC and go to town with migration testing. Every installation is unique and this exercise is well worth testing. Also when you're migrating have a back out plan (ie. build a BDC pull it from the network just before you execute). - Original Message - From: Owsley, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you haven't : experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please : don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals : who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, : please forgive me. : : Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT domain : to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on Windows : 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any reason to wait : for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called? : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in : the market? : : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags : won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
FW: Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Take a look at ZDNet Eweek's reviews of XP Gold, they relaxed the WPA (Windoze Product Activation) quite a bit. If you're under a Select or Enterprise agreement with Mickey$oft, you won't have to activate the product. - Original Message - From: T. Bradley Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : I waited until Win2k was out for about a year and then began upgrading my : servers from NT4. I've got 3 NT4 servers left and I can't wait to get to : them. Win2k is faster, more stable, and easier to administrate. : : As for clients, new machines and rebuilds are done as Win2k. Older : (existing) clients are left as NT4 unless they must run Win2k. : : As for XP, unless they change the licensing I won't be upgrading. NT Admin : is work enough without having to tell MS every time I re-install an OS. : : ~Brad : : -Original Message- : From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:53 PM : To: NT System Admin Issues : Subject: RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : : : Clients, Yes wait for XP. : Servers not really there will be a ton more tools for Ad management but : not enough to wait for what you gain. : : -Original Message- : From: Owsley, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:54 PM : To: NT System Admin Issues : Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : : : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you : haven't experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, : please don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys : and gals who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a : jerk, please forgive me. : : Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT : domain to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on : Windows 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any : reason to wait for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or : what-the-heck-ever it is called? : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in : the market? : : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags : won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : : : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Clients, Yes wait for XP. Servers not really there will be a ton more tools for Ad management but not enough to wait for what you gain. -Original Message- From: Owsley, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you haven't experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, please forgive me. Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT domain to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on Windows 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any reason to wait for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called? You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in the market? You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
www.microsoft.com/what-the-heck-ever-it-is-called Pat Owsley, Kenneth To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] kenneth.owsley@ cc: heath.com Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP 09/11/2001 03:53 PM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you haven't experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, please forgive me. Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT domain to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on Windows 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any reason to wait for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called? You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in the market? You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Just something to consider. Windows 2002 Server will have some improvements to Active Directory that are worth waiting for if your CO is sizeable and already has an X500/LDAP infrastructure built. We went so far as to test the alpha code to see if it fixed the problems we were seeing with a couple of tweaks recommendations to Mickey$oft, beta code ran the integration fine... (of course, that was in the lab). From a migration stand point, scale up a lab fully, set up 2 BDC's in your current domain, get them stable then pull them out put it in the lab on an isolated network. Promote 1 to PDC and go to town with migration testing. Every installation is unique and this exercise is well worth testing. Also when you're migrating have a back out plan (ie. build a BDC pull it from the network just before you execute). - Original Message - From: Owsley, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there. Please, if you haven't : experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please : don't respond. What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals : who've done the do, so to speak. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, : please forgive me. : : Having said that, my question is simple: I haven't migrated my NT domain : to Windows 2000 and Active Directory. I am totally jazzed on Windows : 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate. Is there any reason to wait : for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called? : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take? Should I go : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in : the market? : : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags : won't. Or maybe there isn't anything to tell? Thanks! : : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm : http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
