Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy-Discussion Digest, Vol 111, Issue 9

2015-12-07 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Dec 7, 2015 3:41 AM, "Sydney Shall"  wrote:
> In fact, biological evolution does just the opposite. [...]

Hi all,

Can I suggest that any further follow-ups to this no-doubt fascinating
discussion be taken off-list? No need to acknowledge or apologize or
anything, just trying to keep the noise down.

Cheers,
-n
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] NumPy-Discussion Digest, Vol 111, Issue 9

2015-12-07 Thread Sydney Shall

On 07/12/2015 09:38, numpy-discussion-requ...@scipy.org wrote:

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 22:01:40 -0500
From: "DAVID SAROFF (RIT Student)"
To: Discussion of Numerical Python
Cc: Stefi Baum
Subject: Re: [Numpy-discussion] array of random numbers fails to
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Allan,

I see with a google search on your name that you are in the physics
department at Rutgers. I got my BA in Physics there. 1975. Biological
physics. A thought: Is there an entropy that can be assigned to the dna in
an organism? I don't mean the usual thing, coupled to the heat bath.
Evolution blindly explores metabolic and signalling pathways, and tends
towards disorder, as long as it functions. Someone working out signaling
pathways some years ago wrote that they were senselessly complex, branched
and interlocked. I think that is to be expected. Evolution doesn't find
minimalist, clear, rational solutions. Look at the amazon rain forest. What
are all those beetles and butterflies and frogs for? It is the wrong
question. I think some measure of the complexity could be related to the
amount of time that ecosystem has existed. Similarly for genomes.



Dear David,
You are mistaken in this remark in your message;
> Evolution blindly explores metabolic and signalling pathways, and
> tends towards disorder, as long as it functions.

In fact, biological evolution does just the opposite.
It overcomes disorder and creates complexity at the expense of 'pulling 
in' energy from the outside, from the environemnt.


Of course you are correct that biological evolution does NOT look for 
nor does it achieve optimum solutions. It merely replaces current 
mechanism with another mechanism biologically derived from the current 
mechanism, provided only that the replacement mechanism is marginally, 
fractionally superior in the totality of the life of the ecosystem.


Have a good day,

Sydney
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