Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-27 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:

 Wed, 26 May 2010 07:15:08 -0600, Charles R Harris wrote:
  On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:
 
  Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:27 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote: [clip:
  doxygen]
   It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think
   doxygen supports rest), and I would rather have something that is
   similar, ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather
   ugly doc by default,
 
  Anyway, we can probably nevertheless just agree on a readable
  plain-text/ rst format, and then just use doxygen to generate the docs,
  as a band-aid.
 
  http://github.com/pv/numpycdoc
 
  Neat. I didn't quite see the how how you connected the rst documentation
  and doxygen.

 I didn't :)

 But I just did: doing this it was actually a 10 min job since Doxygen
 accepts HTML -- now it parses the comments as RST and renders it properly
 as HTML in the Doxygen output. Of course getting links etc. to work would
 require more effort, but that's left as an exercise for someone else to
 finish.


Why don't you go ahead and merge this. If someone wants to substitute
something else for doxygen at some point, then that is still open, meanwhile
we can get started on writing some cdocs. In particular, it would be nice if
the folks doing the code refactoring also documented any new functions. We
can also put together a numpycdoc standard to go with it. I think your idea
of combining the standard numpy doc format with the usual c code comment
style is the way to go.

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-27 Thread David Goldsmith
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:

 Wed, 26 May 2010 07:15:08 -0600, Charles R Harris wrote:
  On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:
 
  Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:27 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote: [clip:
  doxygen]
   It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think
   doxygen supports rest), and I would rather have something that is
   similar, ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather
   ugly doc by default,
 
  Anyway, we can probably nevertheless just agree on a readable
  plain-text/ rst format, and then just use doxygen to generate the docs,
  as a band-aid.
 
  http://github.com/pv/numpycdoc
 
  Neat. I didn't quite see the how how you connected the rst documentation
  and doxygen.

 I didn't :)

 But I just did: doing this it was actually a 10 min job since Doxygen
 accepts HTML -- now it parses the comments as RST and renders it properly
 as HTML in the Doxygen output. Of course getting links etc. to work would
 require more effort, but that's left as an exercise for someone else to
 finish.


 Why don't you go ahead and merge this. If someone wants to substitute
 something else for doxygen at some point, then that is still open, meanwhile
 we can get started on writing some cdocs. In particular, it would be nice if
 the folks doing the code refactoring also documented any new functions.


Thanks for being a voice for change! :-)


 We can also put together a numpycdoc standard to go with it. I think your
 idea of combining the standard numpy doc format with the usual c code
 comment style is the way to go.


And certainly at this early stage something is better than nothing.

DG


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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-26 Thread Pauli Virtanen
Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:27 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:
[clip: doxygen]
 It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think doxygen
 supports rest), and I would rather have something that is similar,
 ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather ugly doc by
 default,

Anyway, we can probably nevertheless just agree on a readable plain-text/
rst format, and then just use doxygen to generate the docs, as a band-aid.

http://github.com/pv/numpycdoc

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:

 Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:27 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:
 [clip: doxygen]
  It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think doxygen
  supports rest), and I would rather have something that is similar,
  ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather ugly doc by
  default,

 Anyway, we can probably nevertheless just agree on a readable plain-text/
 rst format, and then just use doxygen to generate the docs, as a band-aid.

 http://github.com/pv/numpycdoc


Neat. I didn't quite see the how how you connected the rst documentation and
doxygen.

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-26 Thread Pauli Virtanen
Wed, 26 May 2010 07:15:08 -0600, Charles R Harris wrote:
 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:27 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote: [clip:
 doxygen]
  It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think
  doxygen supports rest), and I would rather have something that is
  similar, ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather
  ugly doc by default,

 Anyway, we can probably nevertheless just agree on a readable
 plain-text/ rst format, and then just use doxygen to generate the docs,
 as a band-aid.

 http://github.com/pv/numpycdoc

 Neat. I didn't quite see the how how you connected the rst documentation
 and doxygen.

I didn't :)

But I just did: doing this it was actually a 10 min job since Doxygen 
accepts HTML -- now it parses the comments as RST and renders it properly 
as HTML in the Doxygen output. Of course getting links etc. to work would 
require more effort, but that's left as an exercise for someone else to 
finish.

Pauli

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Sebastien Binet
Excerpts from David Cournapeau's message of 2010-05-25 05:06:09 +0200:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Charles R Harris
[snip]
 Maybe as a first step, something that could extract function signature
 would be enough, and writing this should not take too much time
 (Sebastien B wrote something which could be a start, to autogenerate
 cython code from header:http://bitbucket.org/binet/cylon).

note that llvm/clang is versatile enough to easily provide indices into
the source code, which of course includes the comments...  I am actually
working on improving the python bindings to clang (which are already
quite useful for this thread's topic as they are used for code
completing C/C++ code - but are not yet complete enough for providing
complete function signatures)

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Goldsmith
d.l.goldsm...@gmail.com wrote:


 This does sound promising/a good first step.  But it doesn't really answer
 Charles' question about a standard (which would be useful to have to help
 guide doc editor design).

it does - I looked into synopsis because we could use rest, and I
don't think anyone wants to go the doxygen route. Just putting rest
comments into sources is not useful (since just *extracting* them is
non trivial for C/C++). I think the documentation project taught us
that being able to build a decent looking document is required for
people to actually document things.

Also, I may have not been clear, but when I said I thought about it, I
meant I have tried it and it did not work after one hour of two of
tinkering (then I realized that you need to parse C to do anything
useful).

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Pauli Virtanen
Hi,

ma, 2010-05-24 kello 12:01 -0600, Charles R Harris kirjoitti:
 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to
 the c source code. The string blocks would be implemented something
 like
[clip]

I'd perhaps stick closer to C conventions and use something like

/**
 * Spam foo out of the parrots.
 *
 * Parameters
 * --
 * a
 * Amount of spam
 * b
 * Number of parrots
 */
int foo(int a, int b)
{
}


Using some JavaDoc-type syntax might also be possible, although I
personally find it rather ugly. Also, parsing C might not be too
difficult, as projects aimed doing that in Python exist, for instance
http://code.google.com/p/pycparser/

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Sebastien Binet seb.bi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excerpts from David Cournapeau's message of 2010-05-25 05:06:09 +0200:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Charles R Harris
 [snip]
 Maybe as a first step, something that could extract function signature
 would be enough, and writing this should not take too much time
 (Sebastien B wrote something which could be a start, to autogenerate
 cython code from header:http://bitbucket.org/binet/cylon).

 note that llvm/clang is versatile enough to easily provide indices into
 the source code, which of course includes the comments...  I am actually
 working on improving the python bindings to clang

Ah, nice - where do you put your work ? It seems that llvm-py does not
have recent commits,

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Sebastien Binet
Excerpts from David Cournapeau's message of 2010-05-25 09:51:36 +0200:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Sebastien Binet seb.bi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Excerpts from David Cournapeau's message of 2010-05-25 05:06:09 +0200:
  On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Charles R Harris
  [snip]
  Maybe as a first step, something that could extract function signature
  would be enough, and writing this should not take too much time
  (Sebastien B wrote something which could be a start, to autogenerate
  cython code from header:http://bitbucket.org/binet/cylon).
 
  note that llvm/clang is versatile enough to easily provide indices into
  the source code, which of course includes the comments...  I am actually
  working on improving the python bindings to clang
 
 Ah, nice - where do you put your work ? It seems that llvm-py does not
 have recent commits,

I am talking about the clang python bindings, not the llvm ones :)

I am pushing stuff over there:
http://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project/cfe/trunk/bindings/python/

FYI, my cylon project is waiting for this last patch to be applied:
http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-May/009091.html

then world domination...

cheers,
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 25/05/10 09:04, Sebastien Binet wrote:

 note that llvm/clang is versatile enough to easily provide indices into
 the source code, which of course includes the comments...  I am actually
 working on improving the python bindings to clang (which are already
 quite useful for this thread's topic as they are used for code
 completing C/C++ code - but are not yet complete enough for providing
 complete function signatures)

Have you seen http://code.google.com/p/pycparser/ ?

It is a pure python implementation with small or no external
dependencies. I was thinking about using it for writing a simple cython
interfaces generator. I do not know if it supports extracting comments,
but I think it would be simple to extend it this way.

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Sebastien Binet
Excerpts from Daniele Nicolodi's message of 2010-05-25 11:37:50 +0200:
 On 25/05/10 09:04, Sebastien Binet wrote:
 
  note that llvm/clang is versatile enough to easily provide indices into
  the source code, which of course includes the comments...  I am actually
  working on improving the python bindings to clang (which are already
  quite useful for this thread's topic as they are used for code
  completing C/C++ code - but are not yet complete enough for providing
  complete function signatures)
 
 Have you seen http://code.google.com/p/pycparser/ ?

yes, and I have been using it to teach myself PyParsing.  the problem is
that I need to be able to parse C++, not just C.

Parsing (correctly) C++ is a full blown project and I prefer to rely on
the work of others :)

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread Benjamin Root
 it does - I looked into synopsis because we could use rest, and I
 don't think anyone wants to go the doxygen route.


I am curious as to why doxygen isn't a viable option.  While I don't have
experience with the other suggestions, I have used doxygen in a few of my
personall projects and have been quite happy with it serving as internal
documentation.  doxygen can still produce bare-bones documentation,
call-graphs and cross-references from C/C++ code even if there are no
special comments for it to parse.

While doxygen may not be perfect, I think it does well enough to produce
good documentation for developers to use.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-25 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote:

 it does - I looked into synopsis because we could use rest, and I
 don't think anyone wants to go the doxygen route.

 I am curious as to why doxygen isn't a viable option.  While I don't have
 experience with the other suggestions, I have used doxygen in a few of my
 personall projects and have been quite happy with it serving as internal
 documentation.

It is yet another format to use inside C sources (I don't think
doxygen supports rest), and I would rather have something that is
similar, ideally integrated into sphinx. It also generates rather ugly
doc by default,

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread David Goldsmith
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Charles R Harris 
charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the c
 source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like

 /**NpyDoc
 The Answer.

 Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 Parameters
 --
 We don't need no stinkin' parameters.

 Notes
 -
 The run time of this routine may be excessive.

 
 */
 int
 answer_ultimate_question(void)
 {
 return 42;
 }

 and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

 Chuck


IMO it would be necessary to make such doc have the same status w.r.t. the
Wiki as the Python source; how much tweaking of pydocweb would that require
(Pauli is already over-committed in that regard; Joe, Perry, and I are
taking steps to try to alleviate this, but nothing is close to materializing
yet).  I know that as far as Joe and I are concerned, getting pydocweb to
support a dual review process is a much higher, longer-standing priority.

Also, quoting from the docstring standard: An optional section for
examples...while optional, this section is very strongly encouraged.
(Personally, I think this section should be required, not optional, for
functions, and methods which require their own docstrings.)  But requiring
docwriters to supply working (i.e., compilable, linkable, runable) c code
examples (which would appear to be necessary because the coders appear to be
loath to provide their docstrings with examples) might be asking too much
(since we try to keep the doc writing effort open to persons at least
comfortable w/ Python, though not necessarily w/ c).

Unless and until these concerns can be realistically and successfully
addressed, I'm a strong -1.

DG
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, David Goldsmith d.l.goldsm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Charles R Harris 
 charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the c
 source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like

 /**NpyDoc
 The Answer.

 Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 Parameters
 --
 We don't need no stinkin' parameters.

 Notes
 -
 The run time of this routine may be excessive.

 
 */
 int
 answer_ultimate_question(void)
 {
 return 42;
 }

 and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

 Chuck


 IMO it would be necessary to make such doc have the same status w.r.t. the
 Wiki as the Python source; how much tweaking of pydocweb would that require
 (Pauli is already over-committed in that regard; Joe, Perry, and I are
 taking steps to try to alleviate this, but nothing is close to materializing
 yet).  I know that as far as Joe and I are concerned, getting pydocweb to
 support a dual review process is a much higher, longer-standing priority.

 Also, quoting from the docstring standard: An optional section for
 examples...while optional, this section is very strongly encouraged.
 (Personally, I think this section should be required, not optional, for
 functions, and methods which require their own docstrings.)  But requiring
 docwriters to supply working (i.e., compilable, linkable, runable) c code
 examples (which would appear to be necessary because the coders appear to be
 loath to provide their docstrings with examples) might be asking too much
 (since we try to keep the doc writing effort open to persons at least
 comfortable w/ Python, though not necessarily w/ c).

 Unless and until these concerns can be realistically and successfully
 addressed, I'm a strong -1.


I'm not interested in having this part of the standard user documentation
since the  c functions are mostly invisible to the user. What I want is
documentation for maintainers/developers of the c code. The c code is
essentially undocumented and that makes it difficult to work with,
especially for new people. At one time in the past I suggested using doxygen
but that didn't seem to arouse much interest. I've also tried generating a
call graph but only managed to crash the system... Anyway, it needs to be
done at some point and I'm looking for suggestions.

Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread David Goldsmith
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, David Goldsmith 
 d.l.goldsm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Charles R Harris 
 charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the
 c source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like

 /**NpyDoc
 The Answer.

 Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 Parameters
 --
 We don't need no stinkin' parameters.

 Notes
 -
 The run time of this routine may be excessive.

 
 */
 int
 answer_ultimate_question(void)
 {
 return 42;
 }

 and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

 Chuck


 IMO it would be necessary to make such doc have the same status w.r.t. the
 Wiki as the Python source; how much tweaking of pydocweb would that require
 (Pauli is already over-committed in that regard; Joe, Perry, and I are
 taking steps to try to alleviate this, but nothing is close to materializing
 yet).  I know that as far as Joe and I are concerned, getting pydocweb to
 support a dual review process is a much higher, longer-standing priority.

 Also, quoting from the docstring standard: An optional section for
 examples...while optional, this section is very strongly encouraged.
 (Personally, I think this section should be required, not optional, for
 functions, and methods which require their own docstrings.)  But requiring
 docwriters to supply working (i.e., compilable, linkable, runable) c code
 examples (which would appear to be necessary because the coders appear to be
 loath to provide their docstrings with examples) might be asking too much
 (since we try to keep the doc writing effort open to persons at least
 comfortable w/ Python, though not necessarily w/ c).

 Unless and until these concerns can be realistically and successfully
 addressed, I'm a strong -1.


 I'm not interested in having this part of the standard user documentation
 since the  c functions are mostly invisible to the user. What I want is
 documentation for maintainers/developers of the c code. The c code is
 essentially undocumented and that makes it difficult to work with,
 especially for new people. At one time in the past I suggested using doxygen
 but that didn't seem to arouse much interest. I've also tried generating a
 call graph but only managed to crash the system... Anyway, it needs to be
 done at some point and I'm looking for suggestions.

 Chuck

 Not checking in un-/poorly documented new code would be a good start.

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM, David Goldsmith d.l.goldsm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Charles R Harris 
 charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, David Goldsmith d.l.goldsm...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Charles R Harris 
 charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the
 c source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like

 /**NpyDoc
 The Answer.

 Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 Parameters
 --
 We don't need no stinkin' parameters.

 Notes
 -
 The run time of this routine may be excessive.

 
 */
 int
 answer_ultimate_question(void)
 {
 return 42;
 }

 and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

 Chuck


 IMO it would be necessary to make such doc have the same status w.r.t.
 the Wiki as the Python source; how much tweaking of pydocweb would that
 require (Pauli is already over-committed in that regard; Joe, Perry, and I
 are taking steps to try to alleviate this, but nothing is close to
 materializing yet).  I know that as far as Joe and I are concerned, getting
 pydocweb to support a dual review process is a much higher, longer-standing
 priority.

 Also, quoting from the docstring standard: An optional section for
 examples...while optional, this section is very strongly encouraged.
 (Personally, I think this section should be required, not optional, for
 functions, and methods which require their own docstrings.)  But requiring
 docwriters to supply working (i.e., compilable, linkable, runable) c code
 examples (which would appear to be necessary because the coders appear to be
 loath to provide their docstrings with examples) might be asking too much
 (since we try to keep the doc writing effort open to persons at least
 comfortable w/ Python, though not necessarily w/ c).

 Unless and until these concerns can be realistically and successfully
 addressed, I'm a strong -1.


 I'm not interested in having this part of the standard user documentation
 since the  c functions are mostly invisible to the user. What I want is
 documentation for maintainers/developers of the c code. The c code is
 essentially undocumented and that makes it difficult to work with,
 especially for new people. At one time in the past I suggested using doxygen
 but that didn't seem to arouse much interest. I've also tried generating a
 call graph but only managed to crash the system... Anyway, it needs to be
 done at some point and I'm looking for suggestions.

 Chuck

 Not checking in un-/poorly documented new code would be a good start.


So exactly how should the c code be documented? There is currently no
documentation standard for c code.

Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread David Cournapeau
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Charles R Harris
charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the c
 source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like

 /**NpyDoc
 The Answer.

 Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

 Parameters
 --
 We don't need no stinkin' parameters.

 Notes
 -
 The run time of this routine may be excessive.

 
 */
 int
 answer_ultimate_question(void)
 {
     return 42;
 }

 and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

I have thought about this for quite some time, but it is not easy.
Docstrings are useful because of cross references, etc... and
documentation for compiled code should contain signature extraction.
For those reasons, I think a doc tool would need to parse C, which
makes the problem that much harder.

Last time I looked, synopsis was interesting, but it does not seem to
have caught up. Synopsis was interesting because it was modular,
scriptable in python, and supported rest as a markup language within C
code. OTOH, I hope that clang will change the game here - it gives a
modular, robust C (and soon C++) parser, and having a documentation
tool written from that is just a question of time I think.

Maybe as a first step, something that could extract function signature
would be enough, and writing this should not take too much time
(Sebastien B wrote something which could be a start, to autogenerate
cython code from header:http://bitbucket.org/binet/cylon).

David
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] Extending documentation to c code

2010-05-24 Thread David Goldsmith
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Charles R Harris
 charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I'm wondering if we could extend the current documentation format to the
 c
  source code. The string blocks would be implemented something like
 
  /**NpyDoc
  The Answer.
 
  Answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
 
  Parameters
  --
  We don't need no stinkin' parameters.
 
  Notes
  -
  The run time of this routine may be excessive.
 
  
  */
  int
  answer_ultimate_question(void)
  {
  return 42;
  }
 
  and the source scanned to generate the usual documentation. Thoughts?

 I have thought about this for quite some time, but it is not easy.
 Docstrings are useful because of cross references, etc... and
 documentation for compiled code should contain signature extraction.
 For those reasons, I think a doc tool would need to parse C, which
 makes the problem that much harder.

 Last time I looked, synopsis was interesting, but it does not seem to
 have caught up. Synopsis was interesting because it was modular,
 scriptable in python, and supported rest as a markup language within C
 code. OTOH, I hope that clang will change the game here - it gives a
 modular, robust C (and soon C++) parser, and having a documentation
 tool written from that is just a question of time I think.

 Maybe as a first step, something that could extract function signature
 would be enough, and writing this should not take too much time
 (Sebastien B wrote something which could be a start, to autogenerate
 cython code from header:http://bitbucket.org/binet/cylon).

 David


This does sound promising/a good first step.  But it doesn't really answer
Charles' question about a standard (which would be useful to have to help
guide doc editor design).  My proposal is that we start w/ what we have -
the standard for our Python code - and figure out what makes sense to keep,
add, change, and throw out.  If we don't yet have an SEP process, perhaps
this need could serve as a first test case; obviously, if we already do have
an SEP, then we should follow that.

DG
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