Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Joseph Martinot-Lagarde]

Le 08/04/2015 21:19, Yuxiang Wang a écrit :
> I think spyder supports code highlighting in C and that's all...
> There's no way to compile in Spyder, is there?
>
Well, you could write a compilation script using Scons and run it from 
spyder ! :)

But no, spyder is very python-oriented and there is no way to compile C 
in spyder.
For information the next version should have a better support for 
plugins so it could be done as a third-party extension.

Joseph


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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Yuxiang Wang]

I think spyder supports code highlighting in C and that's all...
There's no way to compile in Spyder, is there?

Shawn

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:46 AM, Suzen, Mehmet  wrote:
>> Spyder supports C.
>
> Thanks for correcting this. I wasn't aware of it.
> How was your experience with it?
>
> Best,
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Suzen, Mehmet]

> Spyder supports C.

Thanks for correcting this. I wasn't aware of it.
How was your experience with it?

Best,
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Sturla Molden]

On 06/04/15 20:33, Suzen, Mehmet wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Spider is good. If you are coming from Matlab world.
>
> http://spyder-ide.blogspot.co.uk/
>
> I don't think it supports C. But Maybe you are after Eclipse.

Spyder supports C.


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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Suzen, Mehmet]

Hi Chuck,

Spider is good. If you are coming from Matlab world.

http://spyder-ide.blogspot.co.uk/

I don't think it supports C. But Maybe you are after Eclipse.

Best,
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Charles R Harris]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:46 AM, David Cournapeau  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Charles R Harris <
> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Sturla Molden 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles R Harris  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'd be
>>> > interested in information from anyone with experience in using such an
>>> IDE
>>> > and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the common IDEs easier.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I guess we could include project files for Visual Studio (and perhaps
>>> Eclipse?), like Python does. But then we would need to make sure the
>>> different build systems are kept in sync, and it will be a PITA for those
>>> who do not use Windows and Visual Studio. It is already bad enough with
>>> Distutils and Bento. I, for one, would really prefer if there only was
>>> one
>>> build process to care about. One should also note that a Visual Studio
>>> project is the only supported build process for Python on Windows. So
>>> they
>>> are not using this in addition to something else.
>>>
>>> Eclipse is better than Visual Studio for mixed Python and C development.
>>> It
>>> is also cross-platform.
>>>
>>> cmake needs to be mentioned too. It is not fully integrated with Visual
>>> Studio, but better than having multiple build processes.
>>>
>>
>> Mark chose cmake for DyND because it supported Visual Studio projects.
>> OTOH, he said it was a PITA to program.
>>
>
> I concur on that:  For the 350+ packages we support at Enthought, cmake
> has been a higher pain point than any other build tool (that is including
> custom ones). And we only support mainstream platforms.
>
> But the real question for me is what does visual studio support mean ?
> Does it really mean solution files ?
>
>
I have no useful experience with Visual Studio, so don't really know, but
solution files sounds like a step in the right direction. What do solution
files provide?

Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[David Cournapeau]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Charles R Harris 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Sturla Molden 
> wrote:
>
>> Charles R Harris  wrote:
>>
>> > I'd be
>> > interested in information from anyone with experience in using such an
>> IDE
>> > and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the common IDEs easier.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>>
>> I guess we could include project files for Visual Studio (and perhaps
>> Eclipse?), like Python does. But then we would need to make sure the
>> different build systems are kept in sync, and it will be a PITA for those
>> who do not use Windows and Visual Studio. It is already bad enough with
>> Distutils and Bento. I, for one, would really prefer if there only was one
>> build process to care about. One should also note that a Visual Studio
>> project is the only supported build process for Python on Windows. So they
>> are not using this in addition to something else.
>>
>> Eclipse is better than Visual Studio for mixed Python and C development.
>> It
>> is also cross-platform.
>>
>> cmake needs to be mentioned too. It is not fully integrated with Visual
>> Studio, but better than having multiple build processes.
>>
>
> Mark chose cmake for DyND because it supported Visual Studio projects.
> OTOH, he said it was a PITA to program.
>

I concur on that:  For the 350+ packages we support at Enthought, cmake has
been a higher pain point than any other build tool (that is including
custom ones). And we only support mainstream platforms.

But the real question for me is what does visual studio support mean ? Does
it really mean solution files ?

David
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Charles R Harris]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Sturla Molden 
wrote:

> Charles R Harris  wrote:
>
> > I'd be
> > interested in information from anyone with experience in using such an
> IDE
> > and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the common IDEs easier.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I guess we could include project files for Visual Studio (and perhaps
> Eclipse?), like Python does. But then we would need to make sure the
> different build systems are kept in sync, and it will be a PITA for those
> who do not use Windows and Visual Studio. It is already bad enough with
> Distutils and Bento. I, for one, would really prefer if there only was one
> build process to care about. One should also note that a Visual Studio
> project is the only supported build process for Python on Windows. So they
> are not using this in addition to something else.
>
> Eclipse is better than Visual Studio for mixed Python and C development. It
> is also cross-platform.
>
> cmake needs to be mentioned too. It is not fully integrated with Visual
> Studio, but better than having multiple build processes.
>

Mark chose cmake for DyND because it supported Visual Studio projects.
OTOH, he said it was a PITA to program.

Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Sturla Molden]

Charles R Harris  wrote:

> I'd be
> interested in information from anyone with experience in using such an IDE
> and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the common IDEs easier.
> 
> Thoughts?

I guess we could include project files for Visual Studio (and perhaps
Eclipse?), like Python does. But then we would need to make sure the
different build systems are kept in sync, and it will be a PITA for those
who do not use Windows and Visual Studio. It is already bad enough with
Distutils and Bento. I, for one, would really prefer if there only was one
build process to care about. One should also note that a Visual Studio
project is the only supported build process for Python on Windows. So they
are not using this in addition to something else.

Eclipse is better than Visual Studio for mixed Python and C development. It
is also cross-platform.

cmake needs to be mentioned too. It is not fully integrated with Visual
Studio, but better than having multiple build processes.

But still, there is nothing that prevents the use of Visual Studio as a
glorified text editor.


Sturla

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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Edison Gustavo Muenz]

The PTVS can debug into native code.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:21 PM,  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles R Harris
>  wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > In a recent exchange Mark Wiebe suggested that the lack of support for
> numpy
> > development in Visual Studio might limit the number of developers
> attracted
> > to the project. I'm a vim/console developer myself and make no claim of
> > familiarity with modern development tools, but I wonder if such tools
> might
> > now be available for Numpy. A quick google search turns up a beta plugin
> for
> > Visual Studio,, and there is an xcode IDE for the mac that apparently
> offers
> > some Python support. The two things that I think are required are: 1)
> > support for mixed C, python developement and 2) support for building and
> > testing numpy. I'd be interested in information from anyone with
> experience
> > in using such an IDE and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the
> > common IDEs easier.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I have no experience with the C/C++ part, but I'm using the C/C++
> version of Eclipse with PyDev.
>
> It should have all the extra features available, but I don't use them
> and don't have compiler, debugger and so on for C/C++ connected to
> Eclipse. It looks like it supports Visual C++ and MingW GCC toolchain.
> (I'm not sure the same project can be a C/C++ and a PyDev project at
> the same time.)
>
>
> Josef
>
> >
> > Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[josef.pktd]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles R Harris
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> In a recent exchange Mark Wiebe suggested that the lack of support for numpy
> development in Visual Studio might limit the number of developers attracted
> to the project. I'm a vim/console developer myself and make no claim of
> familiarity with modern development tools, but I wonder if such tools might
> now be available for Numpy. A quick google search turns up a beta plugin for
> Visual Studio,, and there is an xcode IDE for the mac that apparently offers
> some Python support. The two things that I think are required are: 1)
> support for mixed C, python developement and 2) support for building and
> testing numpy. I'd be interested in information from anyone with experience
> in using such an IDE and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the
> common IDEs easier.
>
> Thoughts?

I have no experience with the C/C++ part, but I'm using the C/C++
version of Eclipse with PyDev.

It should have all the extra features available, but I don't use them
and don't have compiler, debugger and so on for C/C++ connected to
Eclipse. It looks like it supports Visual C++ and MingW GCC toolchain.
(I'm not sure the same project can be a C/C++ and a PyDev project at
the same time.)


Josef

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> Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Eraldo Pomponi]

Sorry for the OT and top-posting but,

It reminds me of "ITex" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKaI78K_rgA) ...

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Yuxiang Wang  wrote:

> That would really be hilarious - and "IFortran" probably! :)
>
> Shawn
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Benjamin Root  wrote:
> > mixed C and python development? I would just wait for the Jupyter folks
> to
> > create "IC" and maybe even "IC++"!
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles R Harris
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> In a recent exchange Mark Wiebe suggested that the lack of support for
> >> numpy development in Visual Studio might limit the number of developers
> >> attracted to the project. I'm a vim/console developer myself and make no
> >> claim of familiarity with modern development tools, but I wonder if such
> >> tools might now be available for Numpy. A quick google search turns up a
> >> beta plugin for Visual Studio,, and there is an xcode IDE for the mac
> that
> >> apparently offers some Python support. The two things that I think are
> >> required are: 1) support for mixed C, python developement and 2)
> support for
> >> building and testing numpy. I'd be interested in information from anyone
> >> with experience in using such an IDE and ideas of how Numpy might make
> using
> >> some of the common IDEs easier.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Yuxiang Wang]

That would really be hilarious - and "IFortran" probably! :)

Shawn

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Benjamin Root  wrote:
> mixed C and python development? I would just wait for the Jupyter folks to
> create "IC" and maybe even "IC++"!
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles R Harris
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In a recent exchange Mark Wiebe suggested that the lack of support for
>> numpy development in Visual Studio might limit the number of developers
>> attracted to the project. I'm a vim/console developer myself and make no
>> claim of familiarity with modern development tools, but I wonder if such
>> tools might now be available for Numpy. A quick google search turns up a
>> beta plugin for Visual Studio,, and there is an xcode IDE for the mac that
>> apparently offers some Python support. The two things that I think are
>> required are: 1) support for mixed C, python developement and 2) support for
>> building and testing numpy. I'd be interested in information from anyone
>> with experience in using such an IDE and ideas of how Numpy might make using
>> some of the common IDEs easier.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Chuck
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] IDE's for numpy development?

[Benjamin Root]

mixed C and python development? I would just wait for the Jupyter folks to
create "IC" and maybe even "IC++"!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles R Harris  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In a recent exchange Mark Wiebe suggested that the lack of support for
> numpy development in Visual Studio might limit the number of developers
> attracted to the project. I'm a vim/console developer myself and make no
> claim of familiarity with modern development tools, but I wonder if such
> tools might now be available for Numpy. A quick google search turns up a
> beta plugin for Visual Studio, , and there
> is an xcode IDE for the mac that apparently offers some Python support. The
> two things that I think are required are: 1) support for mixed C, python
> developement and 2) support for building and testing numpy. I'd be
> interested in information from anyone with experience in using such an IDE
> and ideas of how Numpy might make using some of the common IDEs easier.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Chuck
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