[nysbirds-l] Harris's Sparrow Time Out

[Richard Guthrie]

Greetings, all.

The kind and generous homeowners hosting the Harris's Sparrow and visiting
birders have requested a little break in birder activity.

They ask that they regain a little privacy Thanksgiving Day and
Friday...They will be having family and friends coming and going those days.

>From Pastor Paarlberg:

*Rich,*

*A break for a couple of days would be nice—at least Thursday and Friday.
We’ll have a number of family members and guests coming and going those
days anyway so it might be difficult to see the bird.*

*People have been very generous with their donations.  I’ve been carrying
bags of food to the church nearly every day.*

*Attached is the article I wrote for our newsletter.*

*Have a happy Thanksgiving!*

So, if you had plans to check out this rarity in the Albany area, please
refrain both those days.

I would like to attach the article Pastor Paarlberg wrote for his church
newsletter, but I can't put attachments here. If you'd like to see a copy,
please let me know I can forward it.

Thanks everyone for your splendid cooperation and courtesies.

Rich Guthrie
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[nysbirds-l] Pelham Bay Park White-winged Dove exact location 11/23

[Richard Aracil]

Hi All,


The WWDO was with a small group of MODO here (red marker): 
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z29s-1cUqsBQ.krfpVPNpudbg=sharing


Keep in mind there is no access to this landfill. Easily viewed from the bike 
path along Shore Rd./Pelham Pkwy where it was initially found. The bird was 
still there when we left at ~1615. I'd recommend parking at Rice Stadium 
parking lot (marked with a "P" on the map) and then heading to the location on 
foot.


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Good Birding,

Richard Aracil



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[nysbirds-l] White-winged Dove

[Carney, Martin]

The dove was seen at approximately 4 pm about 150 yards west of the
drawbridge along the land-fill side of the road, in trees above and behind
the cedars...Martin Carney

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes

[Robert Lewis]

About ten of us had good views of the bird for about half an hour starting 
about 1:30 this afternoon.  It was close to the previously reported spot, at 
40.776103, -73.968390.   This is near the junction of the four asphalt paths.  
There is an open grassy area just to the northeast. 

The bird is not especially shy but is easily overlooked.  It perches in the 
open about eye level, often drops lower out of sight.   It also flew across the 
path to the west and perched higher in a tree.
Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY


  From: "1birdsblog...@gmail.com" <1birdsblog...@gmail.com>
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 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:06 AM
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes
   
Central Park bird is 30 yards uphill from boathouse. Good like if you go.

Good Birding,
Corey Finger


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[nysbirds-l] White-winged Dove

[Jack Rothman]

Richard Aracil texted me that he is currently observing a White-winged Dove in 
Pelham Bay Park in the cedars alongside the statue in the Southern Zone. 
Jack Rothman

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[nysbirds-l] Harris's Sparrow (YES) Albany NY

[Andrew Baksh]

Joe Giunta and I just saw the Harris's Sparrow after putting in a 2 hour wait. 
The bird came for all about 2 mins.

Many thanks again to Rich Guthrie for organizing permissible visits.

Best,

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林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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Re: [nysbirds-l] "Western" Flycatcher - Yes Sunday.

[Jay McGowan]

While observing the Western Flycatcher yesterday with Nathan Goldberg, Alex
Lees, and Nargila Moura, I was able to make a couple of recordings,
including two of the more distinctive position calls as well as a longer
series of the short high-pitched calls the bird was giving more frequently.
For what it is worth, both of the longer calls seem typical of
Pacific-slope Flycatcher. Note that the first call in the recording has a
short note immediately following it that is actually from the end of a
snippet of playback used to elicit these more diagnostic calls rather than
part of the call the bird gave. The second example had to be clipped
shorter due to interfering noise but is a cleaner example.

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Or just the audio at the Macaulay Library page:
http://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/21267661

Jay McGowan
Ithaca, NY

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Brent Bomkamp  wrote:

> The bird was just seen by Anthony Collerton, Deb Allen and I on the path
> from the boathouse to the point.  This is Central Park.
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[nysbirds-l] Western Flycatchers

[Shaibal Mitra]

My interpretation of the situation described by Andrew Rush is that the 
characteristics of Pacific-slope birds occur in varying frequency and 
combination throughout an extensive portion of the range of Cordilleran 
Flycatcher, whereas the characteristics of Cordilleran birds are relatively 
rare and geographically restricted within the range of Pacific-slope 
Flycatcher. This means that an out of range bird showing characteristics of 
Pacific-slope Flycatcher cannot be identified confidently as such, because all 
of the characters indicative of Pacific-slope (genetic, vocal, and 
morphological) occur at significant frequency within some populations of 
Cordilleran. Conversely, an out of range bird with a consistent suite of 
Cordilleran traits would be less likely (but still possibly) derived from a 
Pacific-slope population (e.g., circa Mt. Shasta).

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore



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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: Re: [BIRDWG01] Western Flycatcher: two species or one?

[Ardith Bondi]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Western Flycatcher: two species or one?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:53:43 -0800
From: Andrew Rush 
Reply-To: Andrew Rush 
To: birdw...@listserv.ksu.edu

Hello all,

Because I am the primary author on the most recent genetic analysis of 
these species (mentioned in the post by Douglas Futuyma cited by Peter 
Post), I thought that I could add a little to this discussion. I 
recently finished my dissertation research, most of which focused on 
these two species. While it is true that the two species are admixed in 
their DNA over a large part of the West, the Pacific-slope populations 
west of the crest of the Sierra, Cascades, and Coast Ranges (i.e., the 
Pacific Slope) remain genetically and phenotypically distinct. We know 
that gene flow from interior populations to the west slope Pacific-slope 
populations occurs to some extent, but it does not result in widespread 
genetic mixing like it does on the east slope. So, it is a little more 
complicated than two species just merging (back) into one. Pacific-slope 
seems to be merging more into Cordilleran than Cordilleran is merging 
into Pacific-slope. I’m not sure taxonomists will take this nuance !
 into consideration when deciding what to do with these species, but 
from an evolutionary perspective, it is interesting. I will have at 
least a couple of more papers on this out soon.


As soon as you cross the crest of the Pacific Slope to the east side, 
you encounter mostly genetically intermediate birds with intermediate 
songs or calls. There is some proportion of admixed birds in populations 
all the way to the Black Hills and to northern Utah and Colorado. On the 
other hand, you almost never encounter birds with intermediate songs or 
calls on the west side and almost no birds are mixed in their DNA…and 
these are limited to areas like Mt. Shasta in California, which is very 
close to admixed populations.


So, if you have seen a Cordilleran Flycatcher in southern Colorado, New 
Mexico, or Arizona, you are probably safe…in terms of listing. If your 
Cordilleran Flycatcher is from Alberta, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, or the 
eastern parts of the coastal states, you have a higher likelihood of 
having seen an admixed bird.


One last thing in terms of identifying these species. I have not 
formally analyzed the position notes yet (i.e., ‘pee-o-weet’ and 
‘weet-seet’) but it seems that these change in a slightly different way 
than the songs geographically. I.e., you can encounter birds whose 
position note is more purely Cordilleran that has a more intermediate 
song type and a more intermediate genotype.


I hope this is interesting to some of you.

Andrew Rush



On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Peter Post  wrote:

In light of the recent discussion on "Western Flycatcher" I thought the post by 
evolutionary biologist and birder Douglas Futuyma, earlier today on NYS Birds, might be 
of interest.

http://birding.aba.org/message.php?mesid=1027591=NY01=New%20York

Peter

Peter Post
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[nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes

[10000birdsblogger]

Central Park bird is 30 yards uphill from boathouse. Good like if you go.

Good Birding,
Corey Finger

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[nysbirds-l] White-winged Dove

[Jack Rothman]

Richard Aracil texted me that he is currently observing a White-winged Dove in 
Pelham Bay Park in the cedars alongside the statue in the Southern Zone. 
Jack Rothman

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes

[Robert Lewis]

About ten of us had good views of the bird for about half an hour starting 
about 1:30 this afternoon.  It was close to the previously reported spot, at 
40.776103, -73.968390.   This is near the junction of the four asphalt paths.  
There is an open grassy area just to the northeast. 

The bird is not especially shy but is easily overlooked.  It perches in the 
open about eye level, often drops lower out of sight.   It also flew across the 
path to the west and perched higher in a tree.
Bob LewisSleepy Hollow NY


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 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes
   
Central Park bird is 30 yards uphill from boathouse. Good like if you go.

Good Birding,
Corey Finger


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[nysbirds-l] Western Fly - Yes

[10000birdsblogger]

Central Park bird is 30 yards uphill from boathouse. Good like if you go.

Good Birding,
Corey Finger

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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: Re: [BIRDWG01] Western Flycatcher: two species or one?

[Ardith Bondi]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Western Flycatcher: two species or one?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:53:43 -0800
From: Andrew Rush 
Reply-To: Andrew Rush 
To: birdw...@listserv.ksu.edu

Hello all,

Because I am the primary author on the most recent genetic analysis of 
these species (mentioned in the post by Douglas Futuyma cited by Peter 
Post), I thought that I could add a little to this discussion. I 
recently finished my dissertation research, most of which focused on 
these two species. While it is true that the two species are admixed in 
their DNA over a large part of the West, the Pacific-slope populations 
west of the crest of the Sierra, Cascades, and Coast Ranges (i.e., the 
Pacific Slope) remain genetically and phenotypically distinct. We know 
that gene flow from interior populations to the west slope Pacific-slope 
populations occurs to some extent, but it does not result in widespread 
genetic mixing like it does on the east slope. So, it is a little more 
complicated than two species just merging (back) into one. Pacific-slope 
seems to be merging more into Cordilleran than Cordilleran is merging 
into Pacific-slope. I’m not sure taxonomists will take this nuance !
 into consideration when deciding what to do with these species, but 
from an evolutionary perspective, it is interesting. I will have at 
least a couple of more papers on this out soon.


As soon as you cross the crest of the Pacific Slope to the east side, 
you encounter mostly genetically intermediate birds with intermediate 
songs or calls. There is some proportion of admixed birds in populations 
all the way to the Black Hills and to northern Utah and Colorado. On the 
other hand, you almost never encounter birds with intermediate songs or 
calls on the west side and almost no birds are mixed in their DNA…and 
these are limited to areas like Mt. Shasta in California, which is very 
close to admixed populations.


So, if you have seen a Cordilleran Flycatcher in southern Colorado, New 
Mexico, or Arizona, you are probably safe…in terms of listing. If your 
Cordilleran Flycatcher is from Alberta, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, or the 
eastern parts of the coastal states, you have a higher likelihood of 
having seen an admixed bird.


One last thing in terms of identifying these species. I have not 
formally analyzed the position notes yet (i.e., ‘pee-o-weet’ and 
‘weet-seet’) but it seems that these change in a slightly different way 
than the songs geographically. I.e., you can encounter birds whose 
position note is more purely Cordilleran that has a more intermediate 
song type and a more intermediate genotype.


I hope this is interesting to some of you.

Andrew Rush



On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Peter Post  wrote:

In light of the recent discussion on "Western Flycatcher" I thought the post by 
evolutionary biologist and birder Douglas Futuyma, earlier today on NYS Birds, might be 
of interest.

http://birding.aba.org/message.php?mesid=1027591=NY01=New%20York

Peter

Peter Post
New York City
pwp...@nyc.rr.com





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[nysbirds-l] Western Flycatchers

[Shaibal Mitra]

My interpretation of the situation described by Andrew Rush is that the 
characteristics of Pacific-slope birds occur in varying frequency and 
combination throughout an extensive portion of the range of Cordilleran 
Flycatcher, whereas the characteristics of Cordilleran birds are relatively 
rare and geographically restricted within the range of Pacific-slope 
Flycatcher. This means that an out of range bird showing characteristics of 
Pacific-slope Flycatcher cannot be identified confidently as such, because all 
of the characters indicative of Pacific-slope (genetic, vocal, and 
morphological) occur at significant frequency within some populations of 
Cordilleran. Conversely, an out of range bird with a consistent suite of 
Cordilleran traits would be less likely (but still possibly) derived from a 
Pacific-slope population (e.g., circa Mt. Shasta).

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore



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[nysbirds-l] Pelham Bay Park White-winged Dove exact location 11/23

[Richard Aracil]

Hi All,


The WWDO was with a small group of MODO here (red marker): 
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z29s-1cUqsBQ.krfpVPNpudbg=sharing


Keep in mind there is no access to this landfill. Easily viewed from the bike 
path along Shore Rd./Pelham Pkwy where it was initially found. The bird was 
still there when we left at ~1615. I'd recommend parking at Rice Stadium 
parking lot (marked with a "P" on the map) and then heading to the location on 
foot.


Photos here: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S25972945


Good Birding,

Richard Aracil



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[nysbirds-l] Harris's Sparrow Time Out

[Richard Guthrie]

Greetings, all.

The kind and generous homeowners hosting the Harris's Sparrow and visiting
birders have requested a little break in birder activity.

They ask that they regain a little privacy Thanksgiving Day and
Friday...They will be having family and friends coming and going those days.

>From Pastor Paarlberg:

*Rich,*

*A break for a couple of days would be nice—at least Thursday and Friday.
We’ll have a number of family members and guests coming and going those
days anyway so it might be difficult to see the bird.*

*People have been very generous with their donations.  I’ve been carrying
bags of food to the church nearly every day.*

*Attached is the article I wrote for our newsletter.*

*Have a happy Thanksgiving!*

So, if you had plans to check out this rarity in the Albany area, please
refrain both those days.

I would like to attach the article Pastor Paarlberg wrote for his church
newsletter, but I can't put attachments here. If you'd like to see a copy,
please let me know I can forward it.

Thanks everyone for your splendid cooperation and courtesies.

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore
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Re: [nysbirds-l] "Western" Flycatcher - Yes Sunday.

[Jay McGowan]

While observing the Western Flycatcher yesterday with Nathan Goldberg, Alex
Lees, and Nargila Moura, I was able to make a couple of recordings,
including two of the more distinctive position calls as well as a longer
series of the short high-pitched calls the bird was giving more frequently.
For what it is worth, both of the longer calls seem typical of
Pacific-slope Flycatcher. Note that the first call in the recording has a
short note immediately following it that is actually from the end of a
snippet of playback used to elicit these more diagnostic calls rather than
part of the call the bird gave. The second example had to be clipped
shorter due to interfering noise but is a cleaner example.

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http://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/21267661

Jay McGowan
Ithaca, NY

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Brent Bomkamp  wrote:

> The bird was just seen by Anthony Collerton, Deb Allen and I on the path
> from the boathouse to the point.  This is Central Park.
>
> Brent Bomkamp
> Northport, NY
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[nysbirds-l] White-winged Dove

[Carney, Martin]

The dove was seen at approximately 4 pm about 150 yards west of the
drawbridge along the land-fill side of the road, in trees above and behind
the cedars...Martin Carney

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