Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
I watch this very much from the sidelines, I don’t get out to bird as often as most of you do, but I will put in a very friendly 2¢. Please don’t jump on me for putting this out there. I enjoy watching the ebb and flow of the natural world via this list. I enjoy seeing that are crossbills out on the parkway or a merlin in Oceanside. (BTW - I’ve never seen a crossbill, so it would be exciting for me.) I actually enjoy the short essays and wish I was there. "If I have the opportunity to get away from my desk," I think, "that’s where I’ll go.” I sincerely suggest that everyone take a deep breath (or two or three). This time of year is stressful for many reasons - particularly this year. Let’s just be kind to our fellow birders and understand that no list is perfect for everyone. Frankly, I’d rather read this list’s emails than the 75 I get with advertisements and news I’m sick over. My only advice is, if you don’t care for it, delete it. It’s just an email. If you have a better method or want different info, create a new list. I know very well how hard it is to cultivate a list. It’s hard work and takes years to build something substantial and useful. You simply can’t please everyone - and those people will move on to something that fits better for them. Thank you to everyone who posts and shares - it is appreciated, at least by me. Be kind to each other. Happy Birding & (as always) I hope to get out there soon. Peace Out! Sue Herbst > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one > man's ceiling is another man's floor." > > All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure > out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while > others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay. > > Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be > better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them > using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it > reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked > off - see the Brooklyn ATFL. > > Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be > unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. > I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating > text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the > too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting > anything. > > Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds > cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again. > > Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be. > > > "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule > of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ > Frederick Douglass > > 風 Swift as the wind > 林 Quiet as the forest > 火 Conquer like the fire > 山 Steady as the mountain > Sun Tzu <http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu> The Art of War > <http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War> > >> (\__/) >> (= '.'=) >> (") _ (") >> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! > > Andrew Baksh > www.birdingdude.blogspot.com <http://www.birdingdude.blogspot.com/> > > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike <mike...@optonline.net > <mailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote: > >> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because >> the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. >> >>>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the >>>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. >> >> >> Mike Cooper >> Ridge, LI, NY >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/b
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
I watch this very much from the sidelines, I don’t get out to bird as often as most of you do, but I will put in a very friendly 2¢. Please don’t jump on me for putting this out there. I enjoy watching the ebb and flow of the natural world via this list. I enjoy seeing that are crossbills out on the parkway or a merlin in Oceanside. (BTW - I’ve never seen a crossbill, so it would be exciting for me.) I actually enjoy the short essays and wish I was there. "If I have the opportunity to get away from my desk," I think, "that’s where I’ll go.” I sincerely suggest that everyone take a deep breath (or two or three). This time of year is stressful for many reasons - particularly this year. Let’s just be kind to our fellow birders and understand that no list is perfect for everyone. Frankly, I’d rather read this list’s emails than the 75 I get with advertisements and news I’m sick over. My only advice is, if you don’t care for it, delete it. It’s just an email. If you have a better method or want different info, create a new list. I know very well how hard it is to cultivate a list. It’s hard work and takes years to build something substantial and useful. You simply can’t please everyone - and those people will move on to something that fits better for them. Thank you to everyone who posts and shares - it is appreciated, at least by me. Be kind to each other. Happy Birding & (as always) I hope to get out there soon. Peace Out! Sue Herbst > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Baksh wrote: > > And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one > man's ceiling is another man's floor." > > All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure > out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while > others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay. > > Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be > better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them > using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it > reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked > off - see the Brooklyn ATFL. > > Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be > unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. > I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating > text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the > too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting > anything. > > Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds > cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again. > > Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be. > > > "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule > of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ > Frederick Douglass > > 風 Swift as the wind > 林 Quiet as the forest > 火 Conquer like the fire > 山 Steady as the mountain > Sun Tzu <http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu> The Art of War > <http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War> > >> (\__/) >> (= '.'=) >> (") _ (") >> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! > > Andrew Baksh > www.birdingdude.blogspot.com <http://www.birdingdude.blogspot.com/> > > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike <mailto:mike...@optonline.net>> wrote: > >> See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because >> the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. >> >>>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the >>>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. >> >> >> Mike Cooper >> Ridge, LI, NY >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >> <http://www.surfbirds.com
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor." All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay. Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked off - see the Brooklyn ATFL. Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting anything. Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again. Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be. "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass 風 Swift as the wind 林 Quiet as the forest 火 Conquer like the fire 山 Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu The Art of War > (\__/) > (= '.'=) > (") _ (") > Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike <mike...@optonline.net> wrote: > > See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the > the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. > >>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the >>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. > > > Mike Cooper > Ridge, LI, NY > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
And there it is right there. "It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor." All it takes is a bit of common sense (I know it is not common), to figure out what might be interesting and how often to report. Some get it while others well...want to be heard and that too, is okay. Perhaps, rather than kvetching over what should be posted, folks would be better off getting out there and finding birds. If successful, post them using whatever medium but ensuring (if the find is noteworthy) that it reaches the wider birding community. Which is where this discussion kicked off - see the Brooklyn ATFL. Shaming anyone into not posting because of posting what "you" deem to be unworthy is non productive and just serves to alienate and drive people away. I have seen this happening already where many folks have resorted to creating text groups or using other tools of communication that shield them from the too oft critics that seem to spend more time criticizing than reporting anything. Furthermore, let's hope this argument on which audience or what NYS birds cater to is now beaten to death never to raise its head again. Inclusive not exclusive this thing of ours should be. "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass 風 Swift as the wind 林 Quiet as the forest 火 Conquer like the fire 山 Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu The Art of War > (\__/) > (= '.'=) > (") _ (") > Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Mike wrote: > > See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the > the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. > >>> Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the >>> Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. > > > Mike Cooper > Ridge, LI, NY > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
How about a warning in the subject line that the post includes politics. This is one place I had hoped to be able to get away from it. Jeanne In a message dated 12/1/2016 9:06:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, trachtenb...@amsllp.com writes: It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such "unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. And to round out the craziness I stopped to say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex in Ossining. Fair and balanced bird reporting please. L. Trachtenberg Ossining -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
How about a warning in the subject line that the post includes politics. This is one place I had hoped to be able to get away from it. Jeanne In a message dated 12/1/2016 9:06:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, trachtenb...@amsllp.com writes: It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such "unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. And to round out the craziness I stopped to say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex in Ossining. Fair and balanced bird reporting please. L. Trachtenberg Ossining -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. >>Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster >>and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
See, I would have just assumed the CBS News crew was on the scene because the the rabid coyote was also in the running for a cabinet post. >>Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster >>and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. Mike Cooper Ridge, LI, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such "unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. And to round out the craziness I stopped to say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex in Ossining. Fair and balanced bird reporting please. L. Trachtenberg Ossining -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
It seems that in reporting, like life, one man's ceiling is another man's floor. While I do know how to use the "delete" key, filtering is beyond my computer skill set. However, in the last week alone didn't we all see more annoying "Black Friday", "Cyber Monday", and "Giving Tuesday" emails in our inboxes than we see "annoying," to some at least, NYSBird posts like this one in a month? As to birds, today before the sun could warm things at Croton Point Park, I managed little more than mourning doves, mallards, Canada geese and a few common sparrows -- no "good" let alone "rare" birds.. However, such "unworthy" reporting species seemed apropos as our Kakistocracy takes hold. Indeed, with S. Palin and Linda McMahon in consideration perhaps the Hulkster and Rowdy Roddy Piper are on deck. And to round out the craziness I stopped to say hello to two CBS TV crews this morning assigned to cover, for what purpose they could not exactly say, an alleged single rabid coyote at a condo complex in Ossining. Fair and balanced bird reporting please. L. Trachtenberg Ossining -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
I agree with Shai, eloquently and succinctly expressed, as always. Hope you all enjoy this beautiful day! Annie -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails. Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE:[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
I agree with Shai, eloquently and succinctly expressed, as always. Hope you all enjoy this beautiful day! Annie -Original Message- From: bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-121044984-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:28 PM To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu) Subject: [nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails. Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] The NYSBirds List
Hi everyone, In theory there are two ways to reform the content of this listserv: (1) discourage posts that are less relevant; and (2) encourage posts that are more relevant. But given the very diverse sentiments expressed here in recent weeks, it's clear that people simply disagree about what is relevant. But criticizing certain kinds of posts is doubly harmful: not only is it demonstrably ineffective in reducing the frequency of the unwanted posts, whatever they may be in a particular instance, but it also discourages contributions from newer participants and those who don't appreciate being criticized. In other words, this ineffective tactic inadvertently conflicts with and damages the prospects for the only other means of improving the forum. I agree with those who have emphasized that neither the overall volume of reports, nor the proportion of what any one individual might regard as chaff, is ever great enough to discourage me from sifting this site every day for items of personal interest. These considerations came to mind recently when I overheard some Long Island birders debating whether to chase an Ash-throated Flycatcher (to me very rare) vs. "the Red Crossbill" (to me periodically ubiquitous). At this stage in my life, I'd much rather read a post from Tim Healy or Steve Walter about the tempo and mode of a day's migration than a how-to guide to chasing "the Red Crossbill." But I understand that some newer birders might actually have seen more Ash-throated Flycatchers than Red Crossbills, even though this is utterly contrary to my own development as a birder. And all of this is what makes birding, and NYSBirds, so wonderful--not only can we find how-to information for chasing (arguably) rare birds, but we are also offered insights into other people's perspectives and values. Please post more! Shai Mitra Bay Shore -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --