Re:[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn
False alarm, just the snow/brant hybrids. That apparently come every year The school On Sat, Nov 16, 2019, 8:56 AM Richard Perkins / TAM wrote: > 2 geese. Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the > water. Possible hybrids? Black on wings > > Aidan Perkins > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/123534288@N08 > > > > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re:[nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese? Cararsie Pier in Brooklyn
False alarm, just the snow/brant hybrids. That apparently come every year The school On Sat, Nov 16, 2019, 8:56 AM Richard Perkins / TAM wrote: > 2 geese. Appear to be Ross's. With a group of brant on the grass near the > water. Possible hybrids? Black on wings > > Aidan Perkins > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/123534288@N08 > > > > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - Short Pond, Water Mill, Suffolk
2 Ross' and 4 Snow geese at 9:30 this morning, but they took off shortly after -- may be in one of the fields south of the pond. And a mature bald eagle over Montauk Hwy near Bridgehampton Commons. They now seem to be so common I wonder if they are "report worthy". In any event, I still find them impressive. Ruddy duck and common mergs on Kellis Pond, just west of the Commons. *Bruce Horwith* *16 Salt Marsh Path* *East Hampton, NY 11937* *(631) 599-0040* On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Eileen Schwinn wrote: > Two Ross's Geese, two Snow Geese, 800 Canada Geese and an immature Bald > Eagle are currently at Short Pond, Scuttlehole Rd, near Cooks La.All > are in the water, except for the Eagle. Photos of all have been taken. > Eileen Schwinn > VIncent Cagno > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co
The 2 Ross's Geese are still in the same area as of 3PM. Also a Peregrine Falcon perched on the 1st bridge. Vinny Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Shaibal Mitrawrote: > > Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on > the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Mike McBrien > [mcb...@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:15 PM > To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co > > There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in > a small flock of Canada's. > Good luck, > Mike McBrien > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co
The 2 Ross's Geese are still in the same area as of 3PM. Also a Peregrine Falcon perched on the 1st bridge. Vinny Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote: > > Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on > the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Mike McBrien > [mcb...@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:15 PM > To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co > > There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in > a small flock of Canada's. > Good luck, > Mike McBrien > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co
Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Mike McBrien [mcb...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:15 PM To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a small flock of Canada's. Good luck, Mike McBrien Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co
Patricia Lindsay reports that the Ross's Geese are present this morning on the grassy circle around the tower at Robert Moses SP. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-121098737-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Mike McBrien [mcb...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:15 PM To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese - RMSP, Suffolk Co There are two adult Ross's Geese at the base of the Robert Moses SP tower in a small flock of Canada's. Good luck, Mike McBrien Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
Hi John and all, Instead of a can of worms I'd call this a useful conversation. Shawn is correct that nine Ross's Geese were recorded at Montezuma on 24 Oct 2008, and I'd like to point out that this information was published very prominently in the March 2009 issue of "The Kingbird," Volume 59, pages 74-77. Both Tom Johnson in his Finger Lakes quarterly report and Andy Guthrie, in his statewide "Highlights of the Season" essay (page 48 of the same issue) refer to the record as a "Regional high count," meaning a maximum for NYSOA's Region 3 (Finger Lakes). I would guess that they stopped short of calling it a statewide maximum because they wanted to check records from other Regions carefully first. In this regard, Kevin is right that eBird has not scratched the surface of 20th Century (or earlier) ornithological history, and he describes well the publications that form the backbone of New York State ornithological knowledge. Someone wishing to research the history of records of a particular species in NYS must, at a minimum, check the following sources: Bull 1974, Levine 1998, and "The Kingbird" Volumes 1 through present. "The Kingbird" includes at least three categories of data review and analysis: (a) individual records vetted by expert Regional editors in their quarterly reports; (b) review of some particularly unusual records by the NYS Avian Records Committee in their statewide annual reports (Ross's Goose reports were reviewed by NYSARC through 2004, but not since); and (c) dedicated articles assessing all potential sources of data, and evaluating these according to explicitly stated criteria (John recently performed this service in his review of vagrant hummingbirds in the June 2010 issue of "The Kingbird"). Thanks to the hard work of many people at the New York State Ornithological Association, "The Kingbird" is now available in a searchable online archive (except for the most recent two volumes), as noted recently by Berna, in reference to a query regarding unusual dates for Blue-winged Teal, at: http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm What about eBird? This is an immensely powerful and useful tool, and I would suggest using it to guide your searches through the three primary sources named above. But I would never use it as the source for a noteworthy record not otherwise corroborated by a primary source. If a noteworthy report is to be accepted by others, it ought to be treated as noteworthy--beginning with the observer! In my experience, eBird's "lurkers" (= exceptional records not otherwise reported to the broader ornithological community) are too often erroneous to simply accept them all at face value and include them in scholarly reviews of, for instance, wintering Blue-winged Teal or Ross's Goose expansion. The solution is easy: if you see something unusual that you'd like other people to take seriously, take it seriously yourself! Don't just click a box on an online checklist; take a moment to explain it to the people you'd like to accept it. To close, I'd suggest that the extraordinary recent events in Orange County deserve a prominent platform and could be the catalyst for a critical re-assessment of the status of Ross's Goose in New York State. (Hint: deadline for text to be included in the fall 2011 issue, covering the spring 2011 season, is 15 July.) Shai Mitra Editor, The Kingbird Think green before you print this email. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
Hi John and all, Instead of a can of worms I'd call this a useful conversation. Shawn is correct that nine Ross's Geese were recorded at Montezuma on 24 Oct 2008, and I'd like to point out that this information was published very prominently in the March 2009 issue of The Kingbird, Volume 59, pages 74-77. Both Tom Johnson in his Finger Lakes quarterly report and Andy Guthrie, in his statewide Highlights of the Season essay (page 48 of the same issue) refer to the record as a Regional high count, meaning a maximum for NYSOA's Region 3 (Finger Lakes). I would guess that they stopped short of calling it a statewide maximum because they wanted to check records from other Regions carefully first. In this regard, Kevin is right that eBird has not scratched the surface of 20th Century (or earlier) ornithological history, and he describes well the publications that form the backbone of New York State ornithological knowledge. Someone wishing to research the history of records of a particular species in NYS must, at a minimum, check the following sources: Bull 1974, Levine 1998, and The Kingbird Volumes 1 through present. The Kingbird includes at least three categories of data review and analysis: (a) individual records vetted by expert Regional editors in their quarterly reports; (b) review of some particularly unusual records by the NYS Avian Records Committee in their statewide annual reports (Ross's Goose reports were reviewed by NYSARC through 2004, but not since); and (c) dedicated articles assessing all potential sources of data, and evaluating these according to explicitly stated criteria (John recently performed this service in his review of vagrant hummingbirds in the June 2010 issue of The Kingbird). Thanks to the hard work of many people at the New York State Ornithological Association, The Kingbird is now available in a searchable online archive (except for the most recent two volumes), as noted recently by Berna, in reference to a query regarding unusual dates for Blue-winged Teal, at: http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm What about eBird? This is an immensely powerful and useful tool, and I would suggest using it to guide your searches through the three primary sources named above. But I would never use it as the source for a noteworthy record not otherwise corroborated by a primary source. If a noteworthy report is to be accepted by others, it ought to be treated as noteworthy--beginning with the observer! In my experience, eBird's lurkers (= exceptional records not otherwise reported to the broader ornithological community) are too often erroneous to simply accept them all at face value and include them in scholarly reviews of, for instance, wintering Blue-winged Teal or Ross's Goose expansion. The solution is easy: if you see something unusual that you'd like other people to take seriously, take it seriously yourself! Don't just click a box on an online checklist; take a moment to explain it to the people you'd like to accept it. To close, I'd suggest that the extraordinary recent events in Orange County deserve a prominent platform and could be the catalyst for a critical re-assessment of the status of Ross's Goose in New York State. (Hint: deadline for text to be included in the fall 2011 issue, covering the spring 2011 season, is 15 July.) Shai Mitra Editor, The Kingbird Think green before you print this email. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
What a great goose weekend! Wish I could have been there. Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid. The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the "Blue" Snows present. Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) Ross's Goose. Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird. Congratulations on a great sighting with good documentation. I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high counts in the state. While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed "high counts" are nothing of the kind. A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page. Lots are an order of magnitude or more higher. I do not want to take anything away from eBird. It is, perhaps, the best tool we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a bright future. But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York. There were some big changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New Yorkers were there to document them. It would be very poor scholarship indeed to ignore those contributions. Although none are available online yet, New York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and McGowan and Corwin 2008. All are recommended references for people interested in birds of New York. NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html. The committee does a good job of keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state. But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased frequency of occurrence in the state. Then we have to rely on published reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm. Not reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them? I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese. The species was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991). Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic. Five in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least. I expect more in the future, and will be watching for them. Best, Kevin From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese Hi John, I thought I'd chime in on this discussion. On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge. This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can be found in eBird. For NY, this data can be seen here: http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1=high_count=1900=true=2011=US-NY High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or Important Bird Areas. While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date. It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY. It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely documented. Good Birding, Shawn Billerman On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, mailto:vanh...@citlink.net>> wrote: A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06. All other records I found indicate a single bird. If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds have been present in New York. I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none. John Haas -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
Hi John, I thought I'd chime in on this discussion. On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge. This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can be found in eBird. For NY, this data can be seen here: http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1=high_count=1900=true=2011=US-NY High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or Important Bird Areas. While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date. It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY. It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely documented. Good Birding, Shawn Billerman On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, wrote: > A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two > Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese > present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06. All other records I found > indicate a single bird. If I didn't miss records, this is only the second > time that (5) birds have been present in New York. I also looked for > records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none. John Haas > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
Hi John, I thought I'd chime in on this discussion. On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge. This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can be found in eBird. For NY, this data can be seen here: http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1listType=high_countbeginYear=1900continuous=trueendYear=2011locInfo.regionCode=US-NY High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or Important Bird Areas. While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date. It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY. It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely documented. Good Birding, Shawn Billerman On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, vanh...@citlink.net wrote: A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06. All other records I found indicate a single bird. If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds have been present in New York. I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none. John Haas -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese
What a great goose weekend! Wish I could have been there. Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid. The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the Blue Snows present. Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) Ross's Goose. Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird. Congratulations on a great sighting with good documentation. I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high counts in the state. While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed high counts are nothing of the kind. A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page. Lots are an order of magnitude or more higher. I do not want to take anything away from eBird. It is, perhaps, the best tool we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a bright future. But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York. There were some big changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New Yorkers were there to document them. It would be very poor scholarship indeed to ignore those contributions. Although none are available online yet, New York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and McGowan and Corwin 2008. All are recommended references for people interested in birds of New York. NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html. The committee does a good job of keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state. But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased frequency of occurrence in the state. Then we have to rely on published reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm. Not reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them? I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese. The species was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991). Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic. Five in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least. I expect more in the future, and will be watching for them. Best, Kevin From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese Hi John, I thought I'd chime in on this discussion. On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge. This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can be found in eBird. For NY, this data can be seen here: http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1listType=high_countbeginYear=1900continuous=trueendYear=2011locInfo.regionCode=US-NY High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or Important Bird Areas. While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data (especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date. It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY. It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely documented. Good Birding, Shawn Billerman On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, vanh...@citlink.netmailto:vanh...@citlink.net wrote: A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06. All other records I found indicate a single bird. If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds have been present in New York. I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's Geese and found none. John Haas -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists