Re: [obc] NYT Article on bicycle helmets

2001-08-06 Thread Brian Martin


I recall a study that found cars equipped with air bags are also found to be
involved in more accidents - which adds weight to the argument that safety devices
increase risk-taking behaviour.

I for one do not agree but have my own evidence of the above statements.  When I 
bought my first Caravan I had the 
ABS option installed.   It gave me the comfort of knowing that I could stop on a dime 
in terrible weather, well it sure did 
work well.  I could stop in the slipperiest winter conditions, straight as an arrow... 
in the middle of the intersection.  I am 
sure that w/o the ABS I would not be driving so aggressively in winter time, and when 
I did I would end up in the middle 
of the intersection after doing a few doughnuts.


Another issue that I do not think was addressed in the article is whether there are
more cyclists on the road, which would cause an apparent increase in cycling
injuries.
I will quote Bruce Timmermans here, there are more people riding bikes in the middle 
of the winter time, than there was 
when I first came to Canada in the summer times in the 60's. 



Putting a kid on a Can-Bike course is probably a lot less effort. A lot more bang
for the buck too.
My twelve year old has been involved in three kids Can-Bike courses but I still do not 
feel I could let him ride to school 
because there is still no fear/awareness of the vehicular conditions around him.  Yes 
it is suburbia where we live, and 
the idiots who conduct their cages must think (if they get off the phone long enough) 
that whenever some one is on the 
road it means that they are an expert road user, and they give no extra care in lane 
positioning.



Mine two!


My two cents worth.

-Rod Plunkett

PS - Avery - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction is Sir
Isaac Newton's third law of motion.


Michael Slavitch wrote:

 Interesting stuff here on on bicycle helmets.

 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/29/national/29BIKE.html?todaysheadlines

 They believe that the increased use of bike helmets may have had an
 unintended consequence: that cyclists when wearing helmets take more risks.  Head
 injuries are increasing in the US rather that decreasing..


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Re: [obc] NYT Article on bicycle helmets

2001-08-02 Thread Avery Burdett

Rod Plunkett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
 
..
 PS - Avery - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction is Sir
 Isaac Newton's third law of motion.

How appropriate and how quickly I forget. It's the estimate of
velocity on impact of a falling head from Newton's second law that's used in
the design and testing of a bicycle helmet.


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Re: [obc] NYT Article on bicycle helmets

2001-07-31 Thread Paul Lindsay

They believe that the increased use of bike helmets may have had an 
unintended consequence: 
that cyclists when wearing helmets take more risks.
  Interesting concept.  Expanding the idea further, I have often 
wondered if injuries/accidents occur in a number of sporting 
activities due to the thought process of I can't be hurt now that 
I am wearing all this protective gear.  
  There has been the (dare I mention his name?) Don Cherry school of
thought that hockey injuries related to sticks have increased since 
the mandatory use of helmets.  I would think that American-style 
football injuries are much higher than that of rugby where no 
protective gear is worn.  And on a personal level (showing my age here)
I can recall that wearing a full-face shield helmet while riding a 
motorcycle gave one a more closed-in safe feeling than the days when 
helmets were an option but not the law.
... Paul L.

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Re: [obc] NYT Article on bicycle helmets

2001-07-31 Thread mrkkds

I wouldn't worry about the helmets, many kids these days wear their helmets on
their bikes (in other words they will take the risk and take the helmet off despite
parents buying helmets) and many of them aren't fitted properly if they are wearing
them.

The problem is that we give out  life jackets and don't do anything about swimming
lessons. Or as someone else said, we give 16 years old the keys to the car, tell
them to wear seatbelts and turn them loose on the road without a drivers licence
and education. And we wonder why there is a problem.

Mom on a Bike

Paul Lindsay wrote:

 They believe that the increased use of bike helmets may have had an
 unintended consequence:
 that cyclists when wearing helmets take more risks.
   Interesting concept.  Expanding the idea further, I have often
 wondered if injuries/accidents occur in a number of sporting
 activities due to the thought process of I can't be hurt now that
 I am wearing all this protective gear.
   There has been the (dare I mention his name?) Don Cherry school of
 thought that hockey injuries related to sticks have increased since
 the mandatory use of helmets.  I would think that American-style
 football injuries are much higher than that of rugby where no
 protective gear is worn.  And on a personal level (showing my age here)
 I can recall that wearing a full-face shield helmet while riding a
 motorcycle gave one a more closed-in safe feeling than the days when
 helmets were an option but not the law.
 ... Paul L.

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