Bls: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
bank settlement broker biasanya ikutin BEJ pake CIMB niaga (pengganti lippo) sama bca..kl rekening account kita pake 2 bank tadi bisa sampai hari kamis, selain bank tadi kena maksimal T4 maksimum T5..minggu ini bagian finance broker lagi sibuk2nya biar bisa settle sebelum liburan terutama yg perjanjiannya minta dikembalikan langsung ke nasabah after jual saham...BI tanggal 18 september masih buka untuk transaksi per 17 september...after that yahh pinjem temen, sudara, tetangga dulu deh nanti 24 september diganti... nah kalo ga salah, KSEI tanggal 18 september tidak ada settelement krn libur, jadi yg beli saham tanggal 17 september pake margin tidak dihitung T+3, baru dihitung hari pertama tanggal 24 september..sukur2 tanggal segitu market naik...kalo naik ya kalo turun ya gitu deh... yang duluan pake margin memang harus buang barang karena bunga diitung terus biar pun libur... Dario Amran Dari: ruzli...@gmail.com ruzli...@gmail.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Senin, 14 September, 2009 11:46:43 Judul: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Kalau T+3, dapatnya Kamis, kalau T+4, dapatnya Tgl 24 Sept. Cmiiw Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) From: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:39:13 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail. com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) From: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1976@ yahoo.co. id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... Dario Amran Dari: rangga_the_demon rangga_the_demon@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 Judul: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messenger Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang! Nikmati chatting lebih sering di blog dan situs web. Gunakan Wizard Pembuat Pingbox Online. http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox/
[ob] OOT: Dr Cai Mingjie, a taxi driver with PhD from Standford University
A Singapore Taxi Driver's Diary Probably the only taxi driver in this world with a PhD from Stanford and a proven track record of scientific accomplishments, I have been forced out of my research job at the height of my scientific career, and unable to find another one, for reasons I can only describe as something uniquely Singapore. As a result, I am driving taxi to make a living and writing these real life stories just to make the dull job a little more interesting. I hope that these stories are interesting to you too. http://taxidiary.blogspot.com/ -- Regards, CK + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Dear Elaine,From the EHM american dollar will be strong. If not they will find way to make it strong. How do they pay for oil, for example.From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:20:27 AMSubject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass, potential vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you even more ya.. ElaineOn Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. com wrote: mmm…. I think I see what you mean… CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD, therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating? Darn… this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend…=( From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. com wrote: Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy… s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can
[ob] Oot:(intermezo slagi menunggu sesi dua;)
Mohon untuk menyebarluaskan ke teman Dan orang terdekat anda,supaya Lebih berhati-hati bila berkunjung Ke TSI(Taman Safari Indonesia). Di bawah ini adalah pengalaman Kami yang tidak akan kami lupakan seumur hidup. Hari Minggu lalu (bertepatan Hari Pertama bulan puasa),kami berkunjung ke TSI dengan menggunakan Mobil Keluarga,4 orang dewasa dan 2 anak kecil dengan tujuan refreshing. Belum lama kami berada di TSI, Kira-kira 10 menit, Mobil kami Memasuki area binatang yang bukan Binatang buas(kijang, banteng dll),Tiba-tiba Mobil kami mogok dan meski sudah mencoba untuk merestart beberapa kali, tetapi mesin sama sekali tidak bisa dihidupkan kembali.Kami pikir mungkin cipratan air telah menyebabkan mobil kami mogok saat baru saja melewati genangan air seperti sungai kecil di TSI. Meskipun ragu-ragu, karena tidak terlihat Ada petugas TSI didekat situ, akhirnya paman saya turun untuk membuka kap mesin. Kami tidak membunyikan klakson karena takut mengganggu binatang di TSI. Kami pikir, area ini adalah area yang aman, bukan area binatang buas,jadi kami berusaha tenang menunggu di dalam mobil sambil ngobrol. Namun tiba-tiba kami terkejut ketika melihat seekor singa yang entahdari mana datangnya sudah berada di belakang Mobil kami Dan berjalanke arah depan mobil dimana paman kami berada. Lalu... Entah kenapa kami semua seperti terhipnotis melihat singa itu mendekati paman kami yang asyik mencari kerusakan mobil dan tidak tahudengan kedatangan singa itu. Kami benar-benar hanya terpaku melihat Singa itu tanpa berusaha untukmemberitahu paman ada bahaya yang datang.Dan..?? Bertepatan paman menutup kap mesinKetika itu pula singa sudah berada tepat dibelakang tubuh Paman saya,sehingga tampak sangat jelas oleh kami dari dalam mobil bagaimana sangat dekatnya singa terhadap paman, Dan... Saat itu pula singa itu langsung mencolek bahu paman saya seraya berkata,Kagak usah takut...Gua lagi puasa...!! -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [ob] OOT: Dr Cai Mingjie, a taxi driver with PhD from Standford University
yup, interesting read...maybe EL knows him? [?] anyway if he doesn't limit himself to singapore jobs he would get a job...methinks. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, ChuanKabeh chuanka...@gmail.com wrote: A Singapore Taxi Driver's Diary Probably the only taxi driver in this world with a PhD from Stanford and a proven track record of scientific accomplishments, I have been forced out of my research job at the height of my scientific career, and unable to find another one, for reasons I can only describe as something uniquely Singapore. As a result, I am driving taxi to make a living and writing these real life stories just to make the dull job a little more interesting. I hope that these stories are interesting to you too. http://taxidiary.blogspot.com/ -- Regards, CK + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 360.gif
Re: [ob] OOT: Dr Cai Mingjie, a taxi driver with PhD from Standford University
Dang Its a joyful read.. this blog... thanks dude... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, ChuanKabeh chuanka...@gmail.com wrote: A Singapore Taxi Driver's Diary Probably the only taxi driver in this world with a PhD from Stanford and a proven track record of scientific accomplishments, I have been forced out of my research job at the height of my scientific career, and unable to find another one, for reasons I can only describe as something uniquely Singapore. As a result, I am driving taxi to make a living and writing these real life stories just to make the dull job a little more interesting. I hope that these stories are interesting to you too. http://taxidiary.blogspot.com/ -- Regards, CK + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
*By creating a WAR ?...* US intends to keep hot issue with Iran N Korea, just in case they need it. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tony Prasetya tonyton...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Elaine, From the EHM american dollar will be strong. If not they will find way to make it strong. How do they pay for oil, for example. -- *From:* Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:20:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation *You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass, potential vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you even more ya.. Elaine** * On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. comtv.k...@gmail.com wrote: mmm…. I think I see what you mean… CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD, therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating? Darn… this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend…=( *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. comtv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy… s|nnerman *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. comtv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation.
Re: [ob] Nanya BLTA gimana yah ?
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[ob] BACA vs SDRA
Apa ada info tentang BACA, kemungkinan seperti SDRA.kekekeke... Lebih Bersih, Lebih Baik, Lebih Cepat - Rasakan Yahoo! Mail baru yang Lebih Cepat hari ini! http://id.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [ob] 10 aturan paling penting dari Tecnical trading
itu indikator/rumus Fibonanci Pak.. coba buka bab Fibonanci ya.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Timocha timoch...@... wrote: Pak mohon penjelasan yg point 4.berapa jauh untuk mundur,apakah yg di maksud cutloss ato ada yg lain. Salam n terima kasih Sent from my BlueBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@... Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:20:53 To: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] 10 aturan paling penting dari Tecnical trading file ini saya Copy dari Face Book saya,semoga bermanfaat utk yg memerlukannya. 10 aturan paling penting dari Tecnical trading : Bagikan Kemarin jam 15:48 | Sunting Catatan | Hapus OM TJHAI... ini saya terjemahkan ke dalam bahasa Indonesia.. semoga lebih membantu,nanti saya copy ke face di catatan saya, dan saya posting juga disana,semoga bisa membantu teman2 yg memerlukannya... kalau ada yg kelewat atau salah,tolong kasih tahu or diperbaiki.. trims. - 10 aturan paling penting dari Tecnical trading : (01) Petakan Trend : Pelajari trend yg lebih panjang periodenya,walaupun anda seorang trader harian,jangka pendek. (02) Tentukan Trend,UP/DOWN dan ikuti : jual kalau trend turun Beli kalau trend naik (03) Temukan batas atas dan bawah dari trend tersebut : Beli didekat support jual didekat resistance (04) Kenali berapa jauh untuk mundur : ukur tingkat retracement 50% = paling umum 33% =minimum 66% =maximum (05) Gambar garis trend nya : garis trend dibentuk dari 2 titik puncak/down trend. atau garis trend dibentuk 2 titik bawah/uptrend. (06) Ikuti pergerakan rata-rata : memberikan signal jual dan beli yg Objective kombinasikan 2 MA yang umum kombinasi dari : 4 hari 9 hari 9 hari 18 hari 5 hari 20 hari signal diberikan ketika garis MA pendek memotong MA panjang(golden cross) (07) Pelajari pembalikan : oscilator- divergence berarti market akan balik Rsi 30% over sold dan 70 % over bought Stochastick--- 20 % over sold 80% over bought (08) Kenali tanda 2 peringatan MACD : menggabungkan MA crosover sistem dgn overbought/oversold elemen dari osciculator Tanda beli -- garis cepat memotong keatas garis lambat.dan kedua garis dibawah garis NOL.(0) Tanda Jual-- sebaliknya kedua garis diatas garis NOL (0) MACD histogram membentuk perbedaan antara kedua garis dan memberikan peringatan dini dari perubahan trend. (09) Trend atau bukan trend : gunakan ADX line. Strong trend : garis adx menanjak kalau garis adx turun disarankan trading market ini untuk menentukan gaya trading, apakah invest atau trading (10) Kenali tanda konfirmasi : Volume mendahului harga Uptrend - Volume naik setiap hari. Semoga engga da yg kelewat. dan bermanfaat utk yg memerlukannya. Salam kobayashi catatan ini diambil dari milis seputar idx yg di yahoo group.. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/seputar-idx/ Group Email Addresses Related Link: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=131965446580ref=ts Post message: seputar-...@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: seputar-idx-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: seputar-idx-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com List owner: seputar-idx-ow...@yahoogroups.com Mencari semua teman di Yahoo! Messenger? Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger dengan mudah sekarang! http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
RE: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Akumulasi gmn ya, Rasanya ga ada, indikator MFI masi nyungsep Blm ada sinyal beli sama sekali... aisa.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ki Bango Tongtong Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Denger2 di freqanalyzer DE lagi ada akumulasi. Sent from my BuyBakrieR Power by DEWA _ From: neethayu neeth...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:26:09 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Ada yg perhatiin saham ASIA? Sesi 2 ini top freq ke 2... Ada yg punya info ttg ASIA? Mau dibawa kemana yach?? Yang punya info, bagi dunggg Tks. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 image001.png Description: Binary data
Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Sepertinya saya krg setuju, BD MIRA dulu kalo maen pake volume gede2, ini ASIA makin hari vol makin tipis, harga makin nyungsep, rasanya kalo emang BD lg koleksi, saya gantung barang modal bawah diharga beda 2 perak dr harga penutupan kemaren masa ga berani. Happy sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: h_indra...@ymail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:39:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) BD asia sama dgn BD mira, tau kan cara mainnya.. Untuk SDRA bisa baca artikel di vierjamal.blogspot.com. Regard Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... mlpl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dermawan indra Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 image001.png Description: Binary data
Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... mlpl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dermawan indra Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
[ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Bukannya ASIA selama bln September hari Jum at kemaren volue makin tinggi,dan sementara ini volumenya paling tinggi di bulan ini ? Walau cuma puluhan juta aja... tetapi sebenarnya bisa berubah jadi ratusan juta kalo BDnya bisa membuat menarik ?? Rgrds socool...@... wrote: Sepertinya saya krg setuju, BD MIRA dulu kalo maen pake volume gede2, ini ASIA makin hari vol makin tipis, harga makin nyungsep, rasanya kalo emang BD lg koleksi, saya gantung barang modal bawah diharga beda 2 perak dr harga penutupan kemaren masa ga berani. Happy sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: h_indra...@... Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:39:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) BD asia sama dgn BD mira, tau kan cara mainnya.. Untuk SDRA bisa baca artikel di vierjamal.blogspot.com. Regard Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Wah ga ngerti pa.. gw kurang ngikutin berita... Gw Cuma pake TA doang... Kl dilihat seh dah rawan koreksi.. Tp kl mau masuk kudu disiplin... risk n rewardnya dah ga imbang... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of socool...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... mlpl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dermawan indra Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Maap pak tp sepertinya itu yg saya ragukan. Tp semoga kalau memang mau joged2 kawan2 OB bisa dapet berkah jg. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: frombuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Bukannya ASIA selama bln September hari Jum at kemaren volue makin tinggi,dan sementara ini volumenya paling tinggi di bulan ini ? Walau cuma puluhan juta aja... tetapi sebenarnya bisa berubah jadi ratusan juta kalo BDnya bisa membuat menarik ?? Rgrds socool...@... wrote: Sepertinya saya krg setuju, BD MIRA dulu kalo maen pake volume gede2, ini ASIA makin hari vol makin tipis, harga makin nyungsep, rasanya kalo emang BD lg koleksi, saya gantung barang modal bawah diharga beda 2 perak dr harga penutupan kemaren masa ga berani. Happy sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: h_indra...@... Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:39:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) BD asia sama dgn BD mira, tau kan cara mainnya.. Untuk SDRA bisa baca artikel di vierjamal.blogspot.com. Regard Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Nanya BLTA gimana yah ?
apol break 245 with volume target 285.. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:13 PM, t_bumi t_b...@yahoo.co.id wrote: Sip : tbumi Jangan lupa dgn saudara sendirinya yaitu APOL karena ada good news : http://research.scottrade.com/public/markets/news/news.asp?section=headlinesdocKey=100-239u3063-1 http://www.etrading.co.id/etrading2.0/news.php?pid=cli=bb81b0bfd9e1cb8b5d9d6d9c145889d6763e8a09a962d0214c999d6beb986e12ed30aa1bf9f3015401a6115993c9a477322dc64c110de70a7f57639ff11049fd
[ob] BUMI senen besok.
42.2 (increase) to 61 (inner truth) up.
[ob] OOT : BB Tour
Ada yg sdh pake BB tour.. Boleh minta reviewnya.. Ty.. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!!
Sebuah artikel yg sangat mencerahkan pak Kobayashi... Thanks... Regards,... DvD™ In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum From: ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:07:12 PM Subject: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! Trader Level 1 Level 1 Unconscious Incompetence Begitu kamu beres menandatangani agreement trading, disinilah kamu berada. Kamu menjadi trader karena kamu mendengar bahwa pendapatan seorang trader bisa mengalahkan pendapatan seorang direktur BUMN. Lagi pula saat simulasi kamu telah profit 3 kali lipat, lalu apa susahnya?. Kamu mungkin bisa profit dengan hasil yang menakjubkan 100 poin sampai 200 poin per lot per hari, namun itu semua hanyalah beginner luck saja. kamu pada awalnya tidak akan percaya, dengan hanya mengandalkan 1 indicator saja, atau bahkan hanya dengan insting ( baca artikel tentang insting di psikologi trading), toh kamu bisa profit. Namun sayangnya, market akan mengalahkan kamu. Tidak ada trader yang sukses hanya dengan faktor LUCK. loss demi loss menghampiri kamu, kamu mencoba bertahan namun kalau sampai margin habis, siapa yang bisa tahan??. Kamu sama sekali tidak menyadari bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tetap mengira kamu bisa trading walaupun semua fakta berkata sebaliknya ( apakah bulan ini profit?, bulan kemarin profit?, tahun ini profit? ). Kamu tetap mengira bahwa kamu adalah orang yang spesial, orang yang akan mampu mendapatkan kunci kekayaan dari trading. Dan kamu tidak menyadari bahwa 90% trader yang gagal juga mempunyai perasaan seperti itu. Kamu tidak mempunyai sistem yang kumplit, kamu dikuasai oleh emosi kamu, kamu selalu averaging posisi jika loss karena kamu ANGER pada market, kamu selalu take profit dalam jumlah yang kecil atau membiarkan profit berubah jadi loss karena kamu dikuasai oleh GREED, kamu tidak pernah trading karena kamu takut / FEAR. Kamu membiarkan diri kamu dikuasai oleh emosi sehingga margin equity kamu menderita. 90% orang yang trading hanya sampai pada level ini, mereka biasanya kapok, berhenti trading dan menganggap ini semua hanya mimpi buruk belaka. sebagian lagi moralnya anjlok, mereka tetap mencari investor dan trading seperti orang gila. dalam sebulan atau dua bulan margin habis lalu mereka mencari mangsa lagi. Mereka masih mengaku sebagai trader namun sebenarnya mereka executor. dan biasanya yang moralnya anjlok ini dengan senang hati akan menjabat sebagai managemen di brokernya. lalu sebagian lagi akan tetap ngantor seperti biasa dan mengaku trader tetapi tidak pernah trading, mereka biasanya menyalahkan dirinya sendiri. Hanya masalah waktu, sampai kapan mereka dapat bertahan di level ini dan waktu selalu menang. 90% Trader ada di level ini, dan hanya 10% sadar dan pindah ke level 2. Trader Level 2 Di level ini kamu sadar bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tidak memiliki kemampuan untuk trading yang menghasilkan profit secara konsisten. Dan kamu tahu solusinya, kamu sadar bahwa selama di level 1 pikiran kamu dikaburkan oleh emosi kamu sehingga kamu tidak bisa berpikir secara jernih. Di level ini kamu akan mencari holy grail ( system yang sempurna, system yang 100% profit, system yang tidak pernah loss), kamu mulai membeli system yang ada di internet, kamu membaca semua website yang ada tentang trading mulai dari UK, USA, Australia, Europa sampai Russia, kamu baca semua ebook yang ada, kamu praktekan semua system yang kamu peroleh, kamu haus akan ilmu seperti seorang pengembara di padang pasir yang haus akan air minum. Pada level ini kamu akan membaca semua detail tentang indikator, kamu akan test semua indicator yang ada di metatrader, bahkan kamu mungkin akan membuat indikator sendiri ( biasanya gabungan 2 atau 3 indicator), kamu akan bermain-main dengan moving average, fibonnacci lines, pivot point, camarilla pivot, deMark, Fractals, Divergence, DMI. ADX, Bollinger Bands, dan ratusan indicator lainnya. Kamu tahu bahwa market terlalu rumit untuk di predict hanya dengan 1 indicator saja, kamu tahu kombinasi ideal dari masing-masing indicator. kamu tahu percis keunggulan indicator tersebut dan juga kelemahannya. Kamu akan mencoba menerka TOP dan BOTTOM dari market dengan indicator tersebut. kamu akan bergabung dengan chat room trader dan menanyakan pertanyaan-pertanya an bodoh pada trader senior. karena kamu tahu kalau kamu tidak bertanya sekarang maka selamanya kamu tidak akan tahu. Pada akhirnya di level ini kamu akan mendapatkan 5 sampai 10 system yang lengkap dan mencoba mencari tahu system mana yang paling cocok dengan kepribadian kamu. Dari 10% trader yang ada di level ini, hanya sekitar 7% yang berhasil pindah ke level 3. Trader Level
Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Yup kykne tuh saham maenny harian aja deh, kudu hati2 kalo mau masuk dah. Client gw ada yg nyangkut lama, kemarin langsung buru2 dijual tuh. -- Best regards, Handy Lugiman Sales Equity PT. Panin Sekuritas Tbk, Jl. Raya Boulevard Barat Blok LC 6 No.55 Jakarta Utara 14240 - Indonesia Tel. : (62-21) 4585 3345 Fax: (62-21) 450 7907 Mobile : 0819 3295 4733 BB pin : 27FD4975 YM id : handy_pans Email : handy...@pans.co.id Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:08:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Wah ga ngerti pa.. gw kurang ngikutin berita... Gw Cuma pake TA doang... Kl dilihat seh dah rawan koreksi.. Tp kl mau masuk kudu disiplin... risk n rewardnya dah ga imbang... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of socool...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... mlpl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dermawan indra Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
[ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi
Dear friends, saya mencoba membeli program documents to go premium untuk blackberry secara online, tetapi tidak berhasil karena us export law yg melarang export ke Indonesia. Mohon bantuan rekan2 kalau ada solusi. Salam dan terimakasih sebelumnyam Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: fenny.ju...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:12:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; Fenny Juliafennyju...@centrin.net.id Subject: Re: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:07:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!!Trader Level 1 Level 1 Unconscious Incompetence Begitu kamu beres menandatangani agreement trading, disinilah kamu berada. Kamu menjadi trader karena kamu mendengar bahwa pendapatan seorang trader bisa mengalahkan pendapatan seorang direktur BUMN. Lagi pula saat simulasi kamu telah profit 3 kali lipat, lalu apa susahnya?. Kamu mungkin bisa profit dengan hasil yang menakjubkan 100 poin sampai 200 poin per lot per hari, namun itu semua hanyalah beginner luck saja. kamu pada awalnya tidak akan percaya, dengan hanya mengandalkan 1 indicator saja, atau bahkan hanya dengan insting ( baca artikel tentang insting di psikologi trading), toh kamu bisa profit. Namun sayangnya, market akan mengalahkan kamu. Tidak ada trader yang sukses hanya dengan faktor LUCK. loss demi loss menghampiri kamu, kamu mencoba bertahan namun kalau sampai margin habis, siapa yang bisa tahan??. Kamu sama sekali tidak menyadari bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tetap mengira kamu bisa trading walaupun semua fakta berkata sebaliknya ( apakah bulan ini profit?, bulan kemarin profit?, tahun ini profit? ). Kamu tetap mengira bahwa kamu adalah orang yang spesial, orang yang akan mampu mendapatkan kunci kekayaan dari trading. Dan kamu tidak menyadari bahwa 90% trader yang gagal juga mempunyai perasaan seperti itu. Kamu tidak mempunyai sistem yang kumplit, kamu dikuasai oleh emosi kamu, kamu selalu averaging posisi jika loss karena kamu ANGER pada market, kamu selalu take profit dalam jumlah yang kecil atau membiarkan profit berubah jadi loss karena kamu dikuasai oleh GREED, kamu tidak pernah trading karena kamu takut / FEAR. Kamu membiarkan diri kamu dikuasai oleh emosi sehingga margin equity kamu menderita. 90% orang yang trading hanya sampai pada level ini, mereka biasanya kapok, berhenti trading dan menganggap ini semua hanya mimpi buruk belaka. sebagian lagi moralnya anjlok, mereka tetap mencari investor dan trading seperti orang gila. dalam sebulan atau dua bulan margin habis lalu mereka mencari mangsa lagi. Mereka masih mengaku sebagai trader namun sebenarnya mereka executor. dan biasanya yang moralnya anjlok ini dengan senang hati akan menjabat sebagai managemen di brokernya. lalu sebagian lagi akan tetap ngantor seperti biasa dan mengaku trader tetapi tidak pernah trading, mereka biasanya menyalahkan dirinya sendiri. Hanya masalah waktu, sampai kapan mereka dapat bertahan di level ini dan waktu selalu menang. 90% Trader ada di level ini, dan hanya 10% sadar dan pindah ke level 2. Trader Level 2 Di level ini kamu sadar bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tidak memiliki kemampuan untuk trading yang menghasilkan profit secara konsisten. Dan kamu tahu solusinya, kamu sadar bahwa selama di level 1 pikiran kamu dikaburkan oleh emosi kamu sehingga kamu tidak bisa berpikir secara jernih. Di level ini kamu akan mencari holy grail ( system yang sempurna, system yang 100% profit, system yang tidak pernah loss), kamu mulai membeli system yang ada di internet, kamu membaca semua website yang ada tentang trading mulai dari UK, USA, Australia, Europa sampai Russia, kamu baca semua ebook yang ada, kamu praktekan semua system yang kamu peroleh, kamu haus akan ilmu seperti seorang pengembara di padang pasir yang haus akan air minum. Pada level ini kamu akan membaca semua detail tentang indikator, kamu akan test semua indicator yang ada di metatrader, bahkan kamu mungkin akan membuat indikator sendiri ( biasanya gabungan 2 atau 3 indicator), kamu akan bermain-main dengan moving average, fibonnacci lines, pivot point, camarilla pivot, deMark, Fractals, Divergence, DMI. ADX, Bollinger Bands, dan ratusan indicator lainnya. Kamu tahu bahwa market terlalu rumit untuk di predict hanya dengan 1 indicator saja, kamu tahu kombinasi ideal dari masing-masing indicator. kamu tahu percis keunggulan indicator tersebut dan juga kelemahannya. Kamu akan mencoba menerka TOP dan BOTTOM dari market dengan indicator tersebut. kamu akan bergabung dengan chat room trader dan menanyakan pertanyaan-pertanyaan bodoh pada trader senior. karena kamu tahu kalau kamu
Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Kalo sahamnya Perusahaan Bapak gmn (PANS) ? Cakep Gax ? hehehehe 2009/9/13 Handy Panin Gading handy_p...@yahoo.com Yup kykne tuh saham maenny harian aja deh, kudu hati2 kalo mau masuk dah. Client gw ada yg nyangkut lama, kemarin langsung buru2 dijual tuh. -- Best regards, Handy Lugiman Sales Equity PT. Panin Sekuritas Tbk, Jl. Raya Boulevard Barat Blok LC 6 No.55 Jakarta Utara 14240 - Indonesia Tel. : (62-21) 4585 3345 Fax : (62-21) 450 7907 Mobile : 0819 3295 4733 BB pin : 27FD4975 YM id : handy_pans Email : handy...@pans.co.id Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -- *From: * JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id *Date: *Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:08:09 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Wah ga ngerti pa.. gw kurang ngikutin berita... Gw Cuma pake TA doang... Kl dilihat seh dah rawan koreksi.. Tp kl mau masuk kudu disiplin... risk n rewardnya dah ga imbang... *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *socool...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:55 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From: *JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id *Date: *Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... [image: mlpl.png] *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *dermawan indra *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
[ob] 8 Pemuda Luar Biasa Yang Merubah Dunia
8 Pemuda Luar Biasa Yang Merubah Dunia 1. Mark Zuckerberg (kini 25 tahun/asal AS) Ketika menciptakan situs jejaring sosial Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg baru berusia 19 tahun. Ia membuat Facebook untuk membantu membangun jaringan sosial bagi remaja di kampusnya saat itu, Universitas Harvard, Amerika Serikat. Kini, Facebook merupakan situs jejaring sosial terbesar kedua setelah MySpace. Di bawah pimpinan Sang Penemu, situs ini terus tumbuh hari demi hari. Jutaan pengguna baru terus mendaftar setiap bulan! 2. Steve Shih Chen (31 tahun/Taiwan- AS), Jawed Karim (30 tahun/Jerman- AS), Chad Hurley (32 tahun/AS) Keduanya adalah pencipta dari situs berbagi video online, YouTube. Mereka mendirikan YouTube pada 2005. Ketika itu, Chad berusia 28 tahun dan Steve 27 tahun. Pada Oktober 2006, YouTube diakuisisi (diambil alih kepemilikannya) oleh Google. Nilainya: 1,65 miliar dollar AS (Rp16,9 triliun). 3. Jerry Yang (40 Tahun/Taiwan- AS) dan David Filo (42 tahun/AS) Pada tahun 1995, kedua orang ini menemukan Yahoo!, situs mesin pencari kedua terbesar setelah Google. Saat itu, Jerry berusia 26 tahun dan Filo 28 tahun. Tahun lalu, perusahaan raksasa Microsoft sempat ingin membeli Yahoo!. Nilai tawaran yang dibicarakan: 44,6 miliar dollar AS (Rp458,8 triliun). Rencana ini memang batal. Setelah itu, Microsoft dan Yahoo! tidak menampik mengenai kemungkinan kerja sama di masa mendatang. 4. Matt Mullenweg (25 tahun/AS) Matt Mullenweg adalah pencipta situs penyedia blog gratisan: WordPress. Ia mulai baru berusia 19 tahun ketika mulai menciptakan cikal bakalnya. WordPress menjadi tenar dalam waktu singkat. Alasannya, situs ini mudah dipakai dan selalu diperbarui. Hingga tahun 2008, tercatat ada 230 juta pengakses tetap dengan 6,5 miliar halaman WordPress yang bisa dilihat. Lalu, ada 35 juta posting baru dengan tambahan rata-rata empat juta posting setiap bulan.. Matt, yang pernah datang ke Jakarta pada Januari 2009 ini mengatakan, ia tidak akan menjual WordPress ke perusahaan besar dengan harga' selangit'.. Ia juga bilang, tidak mencari keuntungan dari WordPress. Keuntungan sudah ia dapatkan dari beberapa perusahaan, yang dimilikinya. 5. Tom Anderson (38 tahun/Amerika Serikat) Tom Anderson merilis MySpace pada bulan Agustus 2003. Ada kesimpang siuran data mengenai usianya saat itu, namun berbagai sumber menyebut Tom berusia kurang dari 30 tahun ketika menciptakan MySpace. Saat ini, MySpace adalah salah satu situs jejaring sosial paling besar di dunia, yang bersaing ketat dengan Facebook. MySpace telah digunakan lebih dari 100 juta orang, dengan pengguna terbesar berasal dari kawasan Amerika Serikat. Kelebihan MySpace terletak pada bidang musik. Ketika fasilitas musik terbaru (yaitu audio streaming gratis) diluncurkan pada 25 September 2008, hanya dalam beberapa hari saja, ada miliaran lagu yang didengarkan oleh para penggunanya. Kelebihan ini membuat banyak orang memperkirakan bahwa MySpace bisa mempengaruhi industri musik di internet. 6. Blake Aaron Ross (23 tahun/AS) Blake Ross adalah pemuda jenius yang menciptakan Mozilla, fasilitas penjelajah internet. Mozilla diluncurkan untuk umum pada November 2004. Saat itu, usia Blake baru 19 tahun! Mozilla kemudian digabungkan dengan Firefox, program yang diciptakannya bersama Dave Hyatt. Maka, setelah itu, namanya menjadi Mozilla Firefox. Dengan cepat, Mozilla Firefox diterima para pengguna internet di dunia. Ia, antara lain, dinilai lebih aman dan mudah dipakai (dibandingkan dengan para kompetitornya) . Ia juga dinilai mampu merebut sebagian pasar fasilitas penjelajah internet, yang selama ini dikuasai oleh Microsoft Internet Explorer. Banyak orang memuji kesuksesan Blake Ross. Direktur engineering Yayasan Mozilla, Chris Hoffman, mengatakan, Dalam dunia 前pen Source', posisi seseorang tergantung pada keahliannya. Dan Blake Ross memiliki semua keahlian yang dibutuhkan. 7. Pierre Omidyar (41 tahun/Perancis- AS) Pierre Omidyar merilis eBay pada 4 September 1995. Saat itu, usianya 28 tahun. eBay adalah situs lelang online. Awalnya, Pierre membuat eBay untuk menolong seorang teman dekat yang ingin menjual sebuah produk. Namun, tak lama kemudian, eBay berkembang pesat menjadi lahan bisnis yang amat prospektif. Kini, eBay adalah situs lelang online terbesar di dunia. Menurut Pierre, dalam sebuah wawancara, kesuksesan eBay tidak lepas dari dua hal. Pertama, kuatnya komunitas penjual dan pembeli, yang jumlahnya mencapai ratusan juta orang. Kedua, nilai-nilai baik yang dianutnya. Dalam bisnis, eBay percaya bahwa pada dasarnya setiap manusia itu baik dan setiap orang memiliki suatu keunggulan yang bisa diberikan kepada orang lain. Selain itu, eBay percaya bahwa kejujuran dan keterbukaan bisa membawa kebaikan pada diri manusia. Maka, aturan emas eBay adalah mengakui dan menghormati setiap orang sebagai individu yang unik. eBay pun berharap para anggotanya bisa mengikuti contoh yang diberikan. 8. Larry Page (36 tahun/AS) dan Sergey Brin
Re: [ob] Help monitor USD/IDR
Saya pernah input data USD/IDR, biasanya saya kumpulin dulu beberapa transaksi dr Jam 8-11, saya input Jam 11-12, transaksi jam 1-4, saya input Jam 4-5. Kalau transaksi dengan Bank Asing, datanya kurang valid karena tdk di cross match dengan counterpartynya :p -Original Message- From: sugih...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:31:36 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Help monitor USD/IDR Rasanya agak sulit untuk mengetahui harga USD/IDR secara real time, meskipun kita berlangganan reuters. Karena harga di Reuter pun hanya indikasi dari bank penginput data. Untuk mengetahui secara real time para dealer fx pun pada umum mengakses money broker mereka. Akan tetapi apabila kondisi market yg volatilitynya normal, indikasi dari www.reuters.com sedikit banyak membantu. Semoga penjelasan singkat ini bermanf'at. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Gabriel siapakahk...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:49:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Help monitor USD/IDR Sesuai subject ada yg tau nga gimana cara kita monitor pergerakan mata uang usd vs rupiah yg real-time? Saya coba cek di website bank2 semuanya nga realtime, para pedagang valas monitoringnya pakai apa yah? Info pls Life is short, so live it wisely
Re: [ob] 8 Pemuda Luar Biasa Yang Merubah Dunia
Ini koq yg merilis OB belum masuk ya namanya ? ;) Sudah banyak loh yg Cuan dari ob, dulu sempat month diakusisi BD kagak sanggup bayar biaya take overnya, thn 2010 rumornya mau go public nih ... -Syat Sent from my BB® and see http://M.inilah.com ...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] Peluang GGRM, AALI, ITMG besok ....
Buat besok ada kemungkinan GGRM bergerak sideway..atao antara 14200-14300 dan kalo melewati 14350 baru cao :) AALI akan bergerak sekitar 20700- 21100 dan kalo melewat 21150 berpeluang bagus... ITMG ada peluang naik, namun nampaknya sulit banget melewati 24100...tapi disamping itu ada peluang turun yg masih mungkin sampe 20500-an kalo volume buy tidak mendukung :) Tapi gak usah dipercaya hehehe...liat besok aja... Rgrds
Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Pa Handy apakah di panin bisa trading lewat BB ? Mohon info. Tks pa Handy Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone -Original Message- From: Handy Panin Gading handy_p...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:27:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Yup kykne tuh saham maenny harian aja deh, kudu hati2 kalo mau masuk dah. Client gw ada yg nyangkut lama, kemarin langsung buru2 dijual tuh. -- Best regards, Handy Lugiman Sales Equity PT. Panin Sekuritas Tbk, Jl. Raya Boulevard Barat Blok LC 6 No.55 Jakarta Utara 14240 - Indonesia Tel. : (62-21) 4585 3345 Fax: (62-21) 450 7907 Mobile : 0819 3295 4733 BB pin : 27FD4975 YM id : handy_pans Email : handy...@pans.co.id Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:08:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Wah ga ngerti pa.. gw kurang ngikutin berita... Gw Cuma pake TA doang... Kl dilihat seh dah rawan koreksi.. Tp kl mau masuk kudu disiplin... risk n rewardnya dah ga imbang... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of socool...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... mlpl.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dermawan indra Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL?
Wew nanti dikira insider trading lg bos . PANS fundamentalny baik, tp memang sahamny jarang aktif di pasar. Cakep di collect untuk long term period di bawah 400 lho. Itu aja pandangan dr saya trims. -- Best regards, Handy Lugiman Sales Equity PT. Panin Sekuritas Tbk, Jl. Raya Boulevard Barat Blok LC 6 No.55 Jakarta Utara 14240 - Indonesia Tel. : (62-21) 4585 3345 Fax: (62-21) 450 7907 Mobile : 0819 3295 4733 BB pin : 27FD4975 YM id : handy_pans Email : handy...@pans.co.id Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: HL hutanle...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:07:20 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Kalo sahamnya Perusahaan Bapak gmn (PANS) ? Cakep Gax ? hehehehe 2009/9/13 Handy Panin Gading handy_p...@yahoo.com Yup kykne tuh saham maenny harian aja deh, kudu hati2 kalo mau masuk dah. Client gw ada yg nyangkut lama, kemarin langsung buru2 dijual tuh. -- Best regards, Handy Lugiman Sales Equity PT. Panin Sekuritas Tbk, Jl. Raya Boulevard Barat Blok LC 6 No.55 Jakarta Utara 14240 - Indonesia Tel. : (62-21) 4585 3345 Fax : (62-21) 450 7907 Mobile : 0819 3295 4733 BB pin : 27FD4975 YM id : handy_pans Email : handy...@pans.co.id Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -- *From: * JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id *Date: *Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:08:09 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Wah ga ngerti pa.. gw kurang ngikutin berita... Gw Cuma pake TA doang... Kl dilihat seh dah rawan koreksi.. Tp kl mau masuk kudu disiplin... risk n rewardnya dah ga imbang... *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *socool...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:55 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? CA nya baru ganti direksi yah n mau dpt proyek dr institusi regional. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From: *JsxSniper jsxsni...@yahoo.co.id *Date: *Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:33:21 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *RE: [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Perhatikan MFI yg dilingkari garis putus2 merah menunjukan naek tetapi harga sideway (yg dilingkari biru putus2) menandakan akumulasi akan tetapi mulai hati2 krn MFI sdh masuk overbought... [image: mlpl.png] *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *dermawan indra *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [ob] ada apa dgn MLPL? Dua hari ini naik banyak ya. Ada yg punya info? nuhun ah, -indra- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2344 - Release Date: 09/03/09 18:05:00
[ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Teman-teman..., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)., saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please., Thank You. JT
Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Tergantung koneksi GPRS nya pak...saya juga pake...kalo lg kenceng enak tuh..sayangnya mesti di refresh terus utk melihat yg terupdate... --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:19 PM Teman-teman. .., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)…, saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please…, Thank You. JT
RE: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Maksudnya utk yg Mail apa yg Chat nih? saya pake XL gprs (kadang2 nyambung.., kadang2 ngga.. J )…., tapi pake wifi juga mail tetap ngga bisa kirim.., gak tau kenapa, udh coba reinstall masih juga… From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of efendi elias Sent: 13 September 2009 20:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Tergantung koneksi GPRS nya pak...saya juga pake...kalo lg kenceng enak tuh..sayangnya mesti di refresh terus utk melihat yg terupdate... --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:19 PM Teman-teman. .., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)…, saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please…, Thank You. JT
Re: [ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi
Ada caranya dibikin inulnya (cr*ck) kokk, coba tanya paman g**gle aja pak. Kalo msh kesulitan, silahkan pm saya, mudah2an saya bisa bantu. Salam Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: kartono.hadin...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:43:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi Dear friends, saya mencoba membeli program documents to go premium untuk blackberry secara online, tetapi tidak berhasil karena us export law yg melarang export ke Indonesia. Mohon bantuan rekan2 kalau ada solusi. Salam dan terimakasih sebelumnyam Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: fenny.ju...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:12:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; Fenny Juliafennyju...@centrin.net.id Subject: Re: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:07:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!!Trader Level 1 Level 1 Unconscious Incompetence Begitu kamu beres menandatangani agreement trading, disinilah kamu berada. Kamu menjadi trader karena kamu mendengar bahwa pendapatan seorang trader bisa mengalahkan pendapatan seorang direktur BUMN. Lagi pula saat simulasi kamu telah profit 3 kali lipat, lalu apa susahnya?. Kamu mungkin bisa profit dengan hasil yang menakjubkan 100 poin sampai 200 poin per lot per hari, namun itu semua hanyalah beginner luck saja. kamu pada awalnya tidak akan percaya, dengan hanya mengandalkan 1 indicator saja, atau bahkan hanya dengan insting ( baca artikel tentang insting di psikologi trading), toh kamu bisa profit. Namun sayangnya, market akan mengalahkan kamu. Tidak ada trader yang sukses hanya dengan faktor LUCK. loss demi loss menghampiri kamu, kamu mencoba bertahan namun kalau sampai margin habis, siapa yang bisa tahan??. Kamu sama sekali tidak menyadari bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tetap mengira kamu bisa trading walaupun semua fakta berkata sebaliknya ( apakah bulan ini profit?, bulan kemarin profit?, tahun ini profit? ). Kamu tetap mengira bahwa kamu adalah orang yang spesial, orang yang akan mampu mendapatkan kunci kekayaan dari trading. Dan kamu tidak menyadari bahwa 90% trader yang gagal juga mempunyai perasaan seperti itu. Kamu tidak mempunyai sistem yang kumplit, kamu dikuasai oleh emosi kamu, kamu selalu averaging posisi jika loss karena kamu ANGER pada market, kamu selalu take profit dalam jumlah yang kecil atau membiarkan profit berubah jadi loss karena kamu dikuasai oleh GREED, kamu tidak pernah trading karena kamu takut / FEAR. Kamu membiarkan diri kamu dikuasai oleh emosi sehingga margin equity kamu menderita. 90% orang yang trading hanya sampai pada level ini, mereka biasanya kapok, berhenti trading dan menganggap ini semua hanya mimpi buruk belaka. sebagian lagi moralnya anjlok, mereka tetap mencari investor dan trading seperti orang gila. dalam sebulan atau dua bulan margin habis lalu mereka mencari mangsa lagi. Mereka masih mengaku sebagai trader namun sebenarnya mereka executor. dan biasanya yang moralnya anjlok ini dengan senang hati akan menjabat sebagai managemen di brokernya. lalu sebagian lagi akan tetap ngantor seperti biasa dan mengaku trader tetapi tidak pernah trading, mereka biasanya menyalahkan dirinya sendiri. Hanya masalah waktu, sampai kapan mereka dapat bertahan di level ini dan waktu selalu menang. 90% Trader ada di level ini, dan hanya 10% sadar dan pindah ke level 2. Trader Level 2 Di level ini kamu sadar bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tidak memiliki kemampuan untuk trading yang menghasilkan profit secara konsisten. Dan kamu tahu solusinya, kamu sadar bahwa selama di level 1 pikiran kamu dikaburkan oleh emosi kamu sehingga kamu tidak bisa berpikir secara jernih. Di level ini kamu akan mencari holy grail ( system yang sempurna, system yang 100% profit, system yang tidak pernah loss), kamu mulai membeli system yang ada di internet, kamu membaca semua website yang ada tentang trading mulai dari UK, USA, Australia, Europa sampai Russia, kamu baca semua ebook yang ada, kamu praktekan semua system yang kamu peroleh, kamu haus akan ilmu seperti seorang pengembara di padang pasir yang haus akan air minum. Pada level ini kamu akan membaca semua detail tentang indikator, kamu akan test semua indicator yang ada di metatrader, bahkan kamu mungkin akan membuat indikator sendiri ( biasanya gabungan 2 atau 3 indicator), kamu akan bermain-main dengan moving average, fibonnacci lines, pivot point, camarilla pivot, deMark, Fractals, Divergence, DMI. ADX, Bollinger Bands, dan ratusan indicator lainnya. Kamu tahu bahwa market terlalu
[ob] IHSG Tretaa Wave Updated 150909
Pada pergerkan Jumat 11 September 2009 lalu IHSG sempat mencapai level tertinggi di level 2425 kemudian terkoreksi tajam ke level 2408 dan ditutup di level 2415 Saya mencoba melihat pergerakan wave pada intraday IHSG . Pada chart hourly belum terlihat jelas, Berikut saya tampilkan zooming di chart 15 menit (klik pada gambar untuk memperbesar) IHSG Pada gambar terakhir terlihat bahwa IHSG telah menyelesaikan koreksi dalam 3 wave. Awal dari gerakan 1 di peak 2425, bottom wave 1 di 2408, peak wave 2 ada di 2424 dan bottom 3 ada di 2409 Pada gerakan naik terakhir ditutup di 2415. Dilihat dari gerakan volume secara keseluruhan koreksi tersebut telah berakhir ketika muncul high volume pada gerakan rebound dari 2409 ke 2415. Secara lebih jelas gerakan harga dan volume saya zooming ke chart 1 menit. (klik pada gambar untuk memperbesar) IHSG2 Gerakan wave 1 dari gambar sebelumnya terpotong jadi saya tampilkan wave 2 dan wave 3nya saja Dengan memperhatikan gerakan naik dan turun dari gambar IHSG di atas dan memperhatikan gerakan volumenya maka rasa-rasanya 1 siklus gerakan koreksi telah selesai. Gerakan naik dari 2408 ke 2415 bisa memicu munculnya “the new bull trend” atau minimal harga akan bergerak rebound kembali ke peak 2425 Workshop Tretaa Wave Analysis (for Semarang, Solo, Jogja) 3-4 Oktober 2009 Kind Regards, Aditya www.trend-traders.com Disclaimer: The materialspresented on this website are solely for informational purposes and arenot intended as investment or trading advice.
RE: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Dua2nya prof... kan kalo masuk ke yahoo! trus login ,di sana ad 3 pilihan..mo ke yahoo mail,yahoo masengger ato news...tinggal pilih.. ak biasa juga sering kirim pake hp prof...sejauh ini masih ok2 aja selama koneksinya kenceng...kadang kalo koneksi lemot suka errorrdi coba2 lagi aja prof... --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:29 PM Maksudnya utk yg Mail apa yg Chat nih? saya pake XL gprs (kadang2 nyambung.., kadang2 ngga.. J )…., tapi pake wifi juga mail tetap ngga bisa kirim.., gak tau kenapa, udh coba reinstall masih juga… From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of efendi elias Sent: 13 September 2009 20:22 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Tergantung koneksi GPRS nya pak...saya juga pake...kalo lg kenceng enak tuh..sayangnya mesti di refresh terus utk melihat yg terupdate... --- On Sun, 9/13/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote: From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo. com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jsxtra...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:19 PM Teman-teman. .., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)…, saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please…, Thank You. JT
[ob] Re: Help - Cara Cari Arsip Milis
Terima kasih Pak Bibit...untuk solusi sementara it works... regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bibit Edyanto e_dya...@... wrote: Solusi sementara, 1. buka website : http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/ 2. masukkan kata yg akan dicari, misal pak boyz, ketik boyz kemudian tekan tombol cari 3. pilih terurut waktu salam --- Pada Sab, 12/9/09, boyz m457...@... menulis: Dari: boyz m457...@... Judul: Re: [ob] Re: Help - Cara Cari Arsip Milis Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Sabtu, 12 September, 2009, 12:11 AM Forbidden... hehehe... just kidding :P barangkali Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system harus dilakukan oleh Moderator. Salam 2009/9/11 aritech97 aritec...@yahoo. co.id Terus solusinya gmana ya mbah untuk cari arsip milis?? Di bagian atas webgroup ada pengumuman dari yahoogroups Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system Saya udah isi form permasalahan ini/laporkan ke yahoo beberapa kali, tapi belum ada tindakan dari yahoo..hikss'' tks --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ ... wrote: Hal ini memang sering Embah alami juga yaitu: - Option date untuk searching posting baru TIDAK berfungsi, sehingga posting yg kita search tidak diketemukan. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: Dear all... gimana cara searching arsip milis by author ya?? Dulu bisa dengan cara masuk ke webgroup OB, pake advanced search --pilih option date nya, terus pilih author contain boyz untuk mencari postingan Pak Boyz.. Namun sekarang saya coba lagi dengan cara diatas sudah gak bisa lagi ya ?? Yang muncul malah postingan terbaru.. Ada yang bisa bantu... Terima kasih sebelumnya.. . Buat sendiri desain eksklusif Messenger Pingbox Anda sekarang! Membuat tempat chat pribadi di blog Anda sekarang sangatlah mudah. http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox/
Re: [ob] IHSG Tretaa Wave Updated 150909
Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry?0?3 powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry?0?3 powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Instal seven aja om, emel jd ky bb push emel ga usah di refresh terus. Bony ZM -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:19:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Teman-teman..., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)., saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please., Thank You. JT
Re: [ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi
Trims infonya pak Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Indra (yahoo) yiulianto_...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:32:18 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi Ada caranya dibikin inulnya (cr*ck) kokk, coba tanya paman g**gle aja pak. Kalo msh kesulitan, silahkan pm saya, mudah2an saya bisa bantu. Salam Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: kartono.hadin...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:43:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Mohon bantuan/informasi Dear friends, saya mencoba membeli program documents to go premium untuk blackberry secara online, tetapi tidak berhasil karena us export law yg melarang export ke Indonesia. Mohon bantuan rekan2 kalau ada solusi. Salam dan terimakasih sebelumnyam Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: fenny.ju...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:12:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; Fenny Juliafennyju...@centrin.net.id Subject: Re: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:07:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!! PADA LEVEL BERAPA KEMAMPUAN TRADER ANDA ? TEMUKAN JAWABAN-nya DISINI ...!!!Trader Level 1 Level 1 Unconscious Incompetence Begitu kamu beres menandatangani agreement trading, disinilah kamu berada. Kamu menjadi trader karena kamu mendengar bahwa pendapatan seorang trader bisa mengalahkan pendapatan seorang direktur BUMN. Lagi pula saat simulasi kamu telah profit 3 kali lipat, lalu apa susahnya?. Kamu mungkin bisa profit dengan hasil yang menakjubkan 100 poin sampai 200 poin per lot per hari, namun itu semua hanyalah beginner luck saja. kamu pada awalnya tidak akan percaya, dengan hanya mengandalkan 1 indicator saja, atau bahkan hanya dengan insting ( baca artikel tentang insting di psikologi trading), toh kamu bisa profit. Namun sayangnya, market akan mengalahkan kamu. Tidak ada trader yang sukses hanya dengan faktor LUCK. loss demi loss menghampiri kamu, kamu mencoba bertahan namun kalau sampai margin habis, siapa yang bisa tahan??. Kamu sama sekali tidak menyadari bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tetap mengira kamu bisa trading walaupun semua fakta berkata sebaliknya ( apakah bulan ini profit?, bulan kemarin profit?, tahun ini profit? ). Kamu tetap mengira bahwa kamu adalah orang yang spesial, orang yang akan mampu mendapatkan kunci kekayaan dari trading. Dan kamu tidak menyadari bahwa 90% trader yang gagal juga mempunyai perasaan seperti itu. Kamu tidak mempunyai sistem yang kumplit, kamu dikuasai oleh emosi kamu, kamu selalu averaging posisi jika loss karena kamu ANGER pada market, kamu selalu take profit dalam jumlah yang kecil atau membiarkan profit berubah jadi loss karena kamu dikuasai oleh GREED, kamu tidak pernah trading karena kamu takut / FEAR. Kamu membiarkan diri kamu dikuasai oleh emosi sehingga margin equity kamu menderita. 90% orang yang trading hanya sampai pada level ini, mereka biasanya kapok, berhenti trading dan menganggap ini semua hanya mimpi buruk belaka. sebagian lagi moralnya anjlok, mereka tetap mencari investor dan trading seperti orang gila. dalam sebulan atau dua bulan margin habis lalu mereka mencari mangsa lagi. Mereka masih mengaku sebagai trader namun sebenarnya mereka executor. dan biasanya yang moralnya anjlok ini dengan senang hati akan menjabat sebagai managemen di brokernya. lalu sebagian lagi akan tetap ngantor seperti biasa dan mengaku trader tetapi tidak pernah trading, mereka biasanya menyalahkan dirinya sendiri. Hanya masalah waktu, sampai kapan mereka dapat bertahan di level ini dan waktu selalu menang. 90% Trader ada di level ini, dan hanya 10% sadar dan pindah ke level 2. Trader Level 2 Di level ini kamu sadar bahwa kamu tidak bisa trading, kamu tidak memiliki kemampuan untuk trading yang menghasilkan profit secara konsisten. Dan kamu tahu solusinya, kamu sadar bahwa selama di level 1 pikiran kamu dikaburkan oleh emosi kamu sehingga kamu tidak bisa berpikir secara jernih. Di level ini kamu akan mencari holy grail ( system yang sempurna, system yang 100% profit, system yang tidak pernah loss), kamu mulai membeli system yang ada di internet, kamu membaca semua website yang ada tentang trading mulai dari UK, USA, Australia, Europa sampai Russia, kamu baca semua ebook yang ada, kamu praktekan semua system yang kamu peroleh, kamu haus akan ilmu seperti seorang pengembara di padang pasir yang haus akan air minum. Pada level ini kamu akan membaca semua detail tentang indikator, kamu akan test semua indicator yang ada di metatrader, bahkan kamu mungkin akan membuat indikator sendiri ( biasanya gabungan
Re: [ob] Chart IHSG tgl 11-09-2009
Dari Chart tgl 11/9/09... IHSG tampak : Mencoba menembus area resisten di 2.431... Tertinggi di 2.425 telah tembus garis Upper Band di 2.421 namun tidak kuat bertahan sehingga IHSG berada di area Middle Band dan Upper Band 2.352 - 2.421 Bilamana transaksi Senin 14/9/09 naik IHSG berpotensi menembus resistennya.. Namun bila IHSG kelelahan (maklum sdh seminggu lebih digenjot... (perlu vitamin ekstra kuat)...IHSG berada di area 2.352 - 2.421 Apakah Vitaminnya Sektor perbankan ?? kayanya juga sudah cape...bagi2 THR di Hari Rabu Kamis... Sektor Tambang.hanya BUMI sendirian di Hari jum'at jagain IHSG... Jadi balik tanya lgi nih. Bung Kobayashi MitsukuniSektor mana yg tahan atau gerakin IHSG.atau kita nonton aja... Salam... --- On Sun, 13/9/09, kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id wrote: From: kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id Subject: [ob] Chart IHSG tgl 11-09-2009 To: Obrolan bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 9:42 PM aduh sorry,..sdh diketik keterangannya panjang lebar,kepencet hilang,maklum nich lg pilek berat. coba kawan2 kita sama2 belajar analisa ya,dari catatan2 diatas..kemana IHSG kan bergerak..? ok..semoga menemukan jawabannya.. . Lebih aman saat online. Upgrade ke Internet Explorer 8 baru dan lebih cepat yang dioptimalkan untuk Yahoo! agar Anda merasa lebih aman. Gratis. Dapatkan IE8 di sini! Mencari semua teman di Yahoo! Messenger? Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger dengan mudah sekarang! New Email names for you! Get the Email name you#39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/
Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Ngga.., saya cuma lagi nyoba aja, sekedar pingin memaksimalkan penggunaan fitur2 yg ada di nokia E71 aja.., kalo untuk kebutuhan push email dan chat, BB sing ada lawan dah..., heheh Powered by TLKM BullBerry® “ Good Trade Comes To Those Who Wait “ -Original Message- From: Bonyzm bzmuta...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Instal seven aja om, emel jd ky bb push emel ga usah di refresh terus. Bony ZM -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:19:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Teman-teman..., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)., saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please., Thank You. JT
Re: [ob] BUMI senen besok.
Tq ichingp Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:44:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] BUMI senen besok. 42.2 (increase) to 61 (inner truth) up.
[ob] Survey LSI ttg pilketum golkar
Ada yg lihat tv barusan gak? Bosnya LSI berikan statement ttg survey yg tdk valid? Survey apaan sih? Apa survey yg sebutkan 65% pilih AB jadi ketum Golkar itu? M Prediksinya dong, the seven brother ke mana kalau AB gagal jadi ketum Golkar? Sent from my iPhone
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
*US inflation means deflation for the rest of the world. US inflation means the USD loses its value thus will affect consumer spending and since the US is the biggest consumer in the world, it will have impact on foreign exports to US. Lower export to US means less product to make that turns into massive unemployment. Did you know, one third of Chinese new graduates are currently jobless this year. 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? It supposedly will affect any country's USD denominated foreign reserves. Most treasurers sell their USD and switch to gold (like China has been doing all this time) or other instruments such as bonds. Indonesia foreign debt is around IDR 1600 trillions. This means foreigners sold/short USD, buy IDR (let's say @ IDR 10k/USD) to buy govt bonds at premium. IF the dollar falls, let's say to 7k/USD, foreign investors will see this as a capital gain and may sell them even at discount. Not good (for you ^_^). Strong IDR is unfavorable though it has some positive effect on the imported things like drugs, heavy machinery and oil consumption. 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! I think oil will go nowhere for sometime and so do other commodities. 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? No. Gold is precious metal and used as hedge to inflation, nickel, copper and tin are non ferrous (industrial). 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Embah has said this, company with USD debt IDR revenue will benefit from USD decline. Best stock picks? I dunno, currently I only own bonds. lolz.. damn I'm good. (Of course I will sell them when the price is good leh). I'm not trying to scare anyone but we're at war (against economic turmoil), let's face it. http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg152335.html I'll tell you a trick: go contrarian on ANY STATEMENT from the officials. If they''re pessimistic, BUY. If they''re optimistic and confident, SELL. Now the fed has just said that the recession is easing, so... you know what to do. Based on the damage of the financial system in the US, I think they need at least ten years for recovery. Buy on US weakness (which can be easily monitored by the strength of its currency index. Chartists! Take note.) Elaine** * 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Re: To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Sip : tbumi Ekonomi data USA yang akan dipublikasikan minggu depan akan cukup baik dan tentunya bisa membuat bursa USA akan naik. Kesempatan baik bagi investor tanah air utk mulai kumpuli saham saham komoditi dan jangan sampai ketinggalan kereta mudik. Jangan lupa juga karena banyak yang mau berebutan naik kereta mudik utk mencapai tujuan akhir kereta yaitu cuan. date report forecast previous Sept. 15 Retail sales 2.1% -0.1% Sept. 15 Retail sales ex-autos 0.4% -0.6% Sept. 15 Producer price index 1.5% -0.9% Sept. 15 Core PPI 0.1% -0.1% Sept. 15 Inventories -0.9% -1.1% Sept. 16 Consumer price index 0.3% 0.0% Sept. 16 Core CPI 0.1% 0.1% Sept. 16 Industrial production 0.7% 0.5% Sept. 16 Home builders' index 20 18 Sept. 17 Jobless claims 560,000 550,000 Sept. 17 Housing starts 600,000 580,000 Sept. 17 Philly Fed 8.0 4.2 Sept. 17 Flow of funds -- --
Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Ada settingan buat SMTP Server dak? Kalau ada mungkin perlu diisi sesuai smtp operatornya. On 9/13/09, JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Ngga.., saya cuma lagi nyoba aja, sekedar pingin memaksimalkan penggunaan fitur2 yg ada di nokia E71 aja.., kalo untuk kebutuhan push email dan chat, BB sing ada lawan dah..., heheh Powered by TLKM BullBerry® “ Good Trade Comes To Those Who Wait “ -Original Message- From: Bonyzm bzmuta...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Instal seven aja om, emel jd ky bb push emel ga usah di refresh terus. Bony ZM -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:19:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Teman-teman..., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)., saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please., Thank You. JT -- Sent from my mobile device + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please
Ngga ada pak.., dah coba dicari ngga nemu.. Powered by TLKM BullBerry® “ Good Trade Comes To Those Who Wait “ -Original Message- From: Kim Chi kcmac...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:30:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Ada settingan buat SMTP Server dak? Kalau ada mungkin perlu diisi sesuai smtp operatornya. On 9/13/09, JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Ngga.., saya cuma lagi nyoba aja, sekedar pingin memaksimalkan penggunaan fitur2 yg ada di nokia E71 aja.., kalo untuk kebutuhan push email dan chat, BB sing ada lawan dah..., heheh Powered by TLKM BullBerry® “ Good Trade Comes To Those Who Wait “ -Original Message- From: Bonyzm bzmuta...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:27:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Instal seven aja om, emel jd ky bb push emel ga usah di refresh terus. Bony ZM -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:19:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT : Nokia Mail Chat - Need Info Please Teman-teman..., saya lagi coba Nokia Mail di E71, sdh install versi terakhir, installation no problem, tapi saat di coba, saya bisa terima email tapi ngga bisa kirim.., apakah memang lagi bermasalah? (dulu pernah coba ok-ok aja)., saya juga lagi coba Nokia Chat Beta.., ada yg sdh pake? Mohon Review-nya Please., Thank You. JT -- Sent from my mobile device + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Peluang GGRM, AALI, ITMG besok ....
Kalo dari pengamatan dari chart sih belum kelihatan ada gera'an gera'an yg mencurigaken. Tapi kayaknya ada yg punya target GGRM ke 18500 buat THR 2009. http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg161339.html Salam, 2009/9/13 frombuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com Buat besok ada kemungkinan GGRM bergerak sideway..atao antara 14200-14300 dan kalo melewati 14350 baru cao :) AALI akan bergerak sekitar 20700- 21100 dan kalo melewat 21150 berpeluang bagus... ITMG ada peluang naik, namun nampaknya sulit banget melewati 24100...tapi disamping itu ada peluang turun yg masih mungkin sampe 20500-an kalo volume buy tidak mendukung :) Tapi gak usah dipercaya hehehe...liat besok aja... Rgrds + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] IDX today.
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Re: [ob] IDX today.
Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya.Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Di inilah.com, ICIC mau beli BUM BUM di 3750 setelah lebaran.. Bisa aja beritanya, Kompor... Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya.Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Inilah.com itu mestinya diganti jadi komporbumi.com wakakak On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, ruzli...@gmail.com wrote: Di inilah.com, ICIC mau beli BUM BUM di 3750 setelah lebaran.. Bisa aja beritanya, Kompor... Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya. Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
[ob] DF -89?
Sptnya membesar dari tadi pagi.
[ob] IHSG Intraday
IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Ada lagi, DEWA mau keluarin Convertible Bond, ngikutin BUMI :) Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:56:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IDX today. Inilah.com itu mestinya diganti jadi komporbumi.com wakakak On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, ruzli...@gmail.com wrote: Di inilah.com, ICIC mau beli BUM BUM di 3750 setelah lebaran.. Bisa aja beritanya, Kompor... Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya. Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
Re: [ob] IHSG Tretaa Wave Updated 150909
Saya jawab tida bisa jawab secara komplet karena keterbatasan data Pada dasarnnya US Dollar.saat ini menjadi kiblat dari semua transaksi perekonomian dunia, sehingga secara tidak langsung ketika terdapat masalah dari negeri Paman sam tersebut impactnya bisa langsung kepada negara-negara yang ikut menggunakan US dollar dalam kegiatan perekonomiannya. Pergerakan harga minya bukan ditentukan oleh supplay dan demand dan kondisi negara-negara pengguna dan penghasil minyak. Tapi pada saat ini lebih dominan dikontrol oleh para spekulan yang menaik-turunkan harga minyak layaknya jet coaster. Terlebih dengan adanya produk Futures dengan leverage. Workshop Tretaa Wave Analysis (for Semarang, Solo, Jogja) 3-4 Oktober 2009 Kind Regards, Aditya www.trend-traders.com Disclaimer: The materialspresented on this website are solely for informational purposes and arenot intended as investment or trading advice. --- On Sun, 9/13/09, tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: From: tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG Tretaa Wave Updated 150909 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:52 PM Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] JPRS (Harga Referensi Pefindo)
PT Pemeringkat Efek Indonesia (Pefindo) menilai target harga referensi saham PT Jaya Pari Steel Tbk (JPRS) dengan range Rp 330 hingga Rp 365 per lembar saham. Hal itu disampaikan manajemen PT Pefindo dalam keterbukaan informasinya ke Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI) kemarin. Manajemen Pefindo dalam laporan penilaian saham mengatakan pangsa pasar yang cukup stabil, pertumbuhan harga baja, kebijakan keuangan yang cukup prudent, dan keterkaitan erat JPRS dengan afiliasi yakni PT Beton Jaya Tbk dan PT Gunawan Dianjaya sebagai proyeksi pertumbuhan dan penjualan laba bersih Jaya Pari Steel.
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Dewa mau ke 8000 juga ya pak... lalu turun lagi ke 400 kan sama dgn bumi... hehe canda 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Ada lagi, DEWA mau keluarin Convertible Bond, ngikutin BUMI :) Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:56:46 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Inilah.com itu mestinya diganti jadi komporbumi.com wakakak On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, ruzli...@gmail.com wrote: Di inilah.com, ICIC mau beli BUM BUM di 3750 setelah lebaran.. Bisa aja beritanya, Kompor... Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya. Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
Bls: [ob] DF -89?
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RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Dear Elaine,. Thanks for your very useful insight.. However, there are a few questions that I have in mind. 2 3 I believe that the current commodity prices are overvalued and will follow the fall of the overall market. However, my concern is, we have all known that the China, India, and Indonesia have been able to create their own domestic market. Do we see demand in these countries strong enough to maintain or even to push the current oil and commodity prices forward? 4. I have read that during the high inflationary periods, investors are advised to build up their stock portfolios on World Dominant Brands such as, PG, Coca Cola, Wal-mart, and Unilever. What most investors don't know about World Dominating businesses is that they are among the world's best inflation hedges. They use their dominant brand name positions to increase prices as needed. Their share prices rise as a result. Do you agree with the above statement? Regards s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:02 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation US inflation means deflation for the rest of the world. US inflation means the USD loses its value thus will affect consumer spending and since the US is the biggest consumer in the world, it will have impact on foreign exports to US. Lower export to US means less product to make that turns into massive unemployment. Did you know, one third of Chinese new graduates are currently jobless this year. 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? It supposedly will affect any country's USD denominated foreign reserves. Most treasurers sell their USD and switch to gold (like China has been doing all this time) or other instruments such as bonds. Indonesia foreign debt is around IDR 1600 trillions. This means foreigners sold/short USD, buy IDR (let's say @ IDR 10k/USD) to buy govt bonds at premium. IF the dollar falls, let's say to 7k/USD, foreign investors will see this as a capital gain and may sell them even at discount. Not good (for you ^_^). Strong IDR is unfavorable though it has some positive effect on the imported things like drugs, heavy machinery and oil consumption. 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! I think oil will go nowhere for sometime and so do other commodities. 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? No. Gold is precious metal and used as hedge to inflation, nickel, copper and tin are non ferrous (industrial). 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Embah has said this, company with USD debt IDR revenue will benefit from USD decline. Best stock picks? I dunno, currently I only own bonds. lolz.. damn I'm good. (Of course I will sell them when the price is good leh). I'm not trying to scare anyone but we're at war (against economic turmoil), let's face it. http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg152335.html I'll tell you a trick: go contrarian on ANY STATEMENT from the officials. If they''re pessimistic, BUY. If they''re optimistic and confident, SELL. Now the fed has just said that the recession is easing, so... you know what to do. Based on the damage of the financial system in the US, I think they need at least ten years for recovery. Buy on US weakness (which can be easily monitored by the strength of its currency index. Chartists! Take note.) Elaine 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Mantaff kalo gitu bozz Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:14:49 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IDX today. Dewa mau ke 8000 juga ya pak... lalu turun lagi ke 400 kan sama dgn bumi... hehe canda 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Ada lagi, DEWA mau keluarin Convertible Bond, ngikutin BUMI :) Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:56:46 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Inilah.com itu mestinya diganti jadi komporbumi.com wakakak On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, ruzli...@gmail.com wrote: Di inilah.com, ICIC mau beli BUM BUM di 3750 setelah lebaran.. Bisa aja beritanya, Kompor... Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya. Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
Bls: [ob] Survey LSI ttg pilketum golkar
survey diiklannya AB kali, tumben2 LSI pake bantah2an segala, belain bozz nya juga ya --- Pada Ming, 13/9/09, TimurLaut i4...@yahoo.com menulis: Dari: TimurLaut i4...@yahoo.com Judul: [ob] Survey LSI ttg pilketum golkar Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Minggu, 13 September, 2009, 10:10 PM Ada yg lihat tv barusan gak? Bosnya LSI berikan statement ttg survey yg tdk valid? Survey apaan sih? Apa survey yg sebutkan 65% pilih AB jadi ketum Golkar itu? M Prediksinya dong, the seven brother ke mana kalau AB gagal jadi ketum Golkar? Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Mail Kini Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya sekarang! http://id.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [ob] IDX today.
Kok sepi yah? TAL? Atau push email saya yg lg eror? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:33:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IDX today. Bisakah melawan regional yg merah2...kita lihat. Oil jg turun, tapi menurut I ching bumi naik ya.Semoga Iching benar.. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: 17 (following) ijo
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RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Thank you for your inputs sir,. I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China's main problem is the devaluating USD. There's no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com mailto:tv.kun0%40gmail.com : Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links image001.jpgimage002.jpg
[ob] Re: IHSG Intraday
IHSG ternyata turun dulu berikut support level nya S1 2402.288 S2 2388.856 S3 2378 S4 2367.144 S5 2353.712 Moga2 mental di S2 atau S3 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com: IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
[ob] Re: Angka keramat JSX 2411 dan 2386
Angka keramat 2386 revisited --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Masa sih demi 2411, ASII dan TLKM dipecundangi gitu aza. Sadiss.
[ob] Re: Angka keramat JSX 2411 dan 2386
Angka keramat 2386 revisited --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Masa sih demi 2411, ASII dan TLKM dipecundangi gitu aza. Sadiss.
[ob] IHSGmenuju 2500
Dalam beberapa minggu kedepan kita akan melihat level 2500 seperti yang embah prediksikan berikut level resistance nya R1 2477 R2 2512.144 R3 2523 R4 2533.856 R5 2625.856 kemungkinan akan masuk ke R2 dan R3 thx Hans -D-I-S-C-L-A-I-M-E-R-- O-N- 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com: IHSG ternyata turun dulu berikut support level nya S1 2402.288 S2 2388.856 S3 2378 S4 2367.144 S5 2353.712 Moga2 mental di S2 atau S3 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com: IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
[ob] IHSG Intraday
IHSG bergerak naik menguji level reistance jangka pendek berikut beberapa levelnya R1 2402 R2 2404 R3 2405 R4 2411 R5 2424 Bisa masuk level R3 dan R4 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
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[ob] Re: IHSG Intraday
Hanya masuk R1 peluang IHSG terkoreksi ke level berikut S1 2397.224 S2 2394.888 S3 2393 S4 2391.112 S5 2388.776 metal di S2 atau S3 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com IHSG bergerak naik menguji level reistance jangka pendek berikut beberapa levelnya R1 2402 R2 2404 R3 2405 R4 2411 R5 2424 Bisa masuk level R3 dan R4 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
[ob] Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST
[ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
.We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST
Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... Dario Amran Dari: rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 Judul: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST ___ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Re: IHSG Intraday
IHSG peluang double bottoms mental deh target nya R1 2402 R2 2404 R3 2405 R4 2411 R5 2424 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com Hanya masuk R1 peluang IHSG terkoreksi ke level berikut S1 2397.224 S2 2394.888 S3 2393 S4 2391.112 S5 2388.776 metal di S2 atau S3 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com IHSG bergerak naik menguji level reistance jangka pendek berikut beberapa levelnya R1 2402 R2 2404 R3 2405 R4 2411 R5 2424 Bisa masuk level R3 dan R4 thx Hans 2009/9/14 Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com IHSG secara umum sideways cenderung menguat. berpeluang menguat dulu dia awal2 sesi untuk menguji level 2425... S R belum di hitung... nanti di update terima kasih Hans
Re: [ob] Fw: *JP MORGAN*INDONESIA EQUITY STRATEGY. Cautious Near Term
just curious, ini pak bujang yg juragan walet ya.. ??? From: Hendra Bujang hendra_buj...@yahoo.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:31:23 AM Subject: [ob] Fw: *JP MORGAN*INDONESIA EQUITY STRATEGY. Cautious Near Term Best Regards Hendra Bujang 0878 7828 7808 0856 190 9109 --- On Thu, 9/10/09, patricia.sumampouw@ cimb.com patricia.sumampouw@ cimb.com wrote: From: patricia.sumampouw@ cimb.com patricia.sumampouw@ cimb.com Subject: Fw: *JP MORGAN* INDON EQUITY STRATEGY. Cautious Near Term To: Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:05 AM -- Notes of caution in the near term, medium term, outlook unchanged • Offshore SBI holdings jump in August, carry trade back? Foreign holdings in Indonesian TBills (SBI’s) have risen by about $1.5 bn in the last month, suggesting that the carry trade is finding its way back.This may not be an immediate concern to investors, but could be a precursor to increased volatility. • Model Portfolio changes on country downgrade to Neutral: Following our regional strategy teams downgrading of Indonesia from Overweigh to Neutral (see “Detour proving profitable” Mowat et al, 5 Sept 2009) we make changes to our model portfolio. We are adjusting the portfolio to lock in profits on a stock that we see as over-owned, while adding to names offering scope for earnings growth in FY10E and are possibly underowned by foreign investors. We believe this tactic offers some defense if markets reverse in the short term. Our medium term positive outlook on Indonesia however remains intact, and the risk to our near term stance is that ample domestic liquidity results in a shallow correction. • 2 Stocks to add, 1 to take profit: INDF saw net foreign buying of over 5% of float in the last month. 2Q results indicate that noodles ASP’s fell by 3.7% q./q, which raises the concern of competition, given that price wars have broken out in other FMCG categories. A rally on noodle division spin-off may be premature and we take profits on Indofood and remove it from our portfolio. We add a new long position in Indosat, where we think that incremental signals are that competitive pressures are abating and underowned ISAT could be a dark horse earnings recovery play in FY10E. We also add to our holding of PGAS, where visibility on gas supply is improving and ASP increases may be possible in FY10E, if PLN manages to raise electricity tariffs. Disclaimer: This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not use, copy or deliver this to anyone else. If you receive this email by mistake, please immediately notify us. Opinions contained herein may be the personal opinion of the sender and do not necessarily represent the views of the Company. If you are in any doubt as to whether the opinions are officially endorsed by the Company, please contact our Compliance Dept at (+65) 6225 1228 for clarification.
RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Agree. but, isn't that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry.. I am not good at this economy thingy. s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,. I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China's main problem is the devaluating USD. There's no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com mailto:tv.kun0%40gmail.com : Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well? 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what sector(s) would it be? Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer. s|n Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + +
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy… s|nnerman *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
True that China is buying gold (and I believe they are also switching from USD to EUR and other hard currency). But particular for gold, US Fed can somehow control the price since they have the physical assets in huge stock. By loading and unloading, they can monopolize the price to their vested interest. But agree that holding gold is protecting from inflation. As for non ferrous metal, it depends whether China buying is just for stock purpose or intention to hedge against inflation. If for stocking, the cheaper price is the better and making the price will be going nowhere and even tend to sluggish. As earlier, China is also having problem with their manufacturers. What I believe, China should not only focus the use of commodities for building infrastructures but more should use for manufacturing products, enterprise and create jobs. But again who will consume them? So, bottom line. If market is shrinking and buying appetite is low, the price will be going even lower for all product and as well as the resources. That's why the concern is how to boost the spending in all over the world to create the real economyc (recovery grow) rather than stimulus make up... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too. My questions are: 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and stock exchange? 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?! 3. Many believe that
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RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
mmm.. I think I see what you mean. CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD, therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating? Darn. this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend.=( From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Agree. but, isn't that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry.. I am not good at this economy thingy. s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,. I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China's main problem is the devaluating USD. There's no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com mailto:tv.kun0%40gmail.com : Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points
Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
*You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass, potential vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you even more ya.. [?] Elaine** * On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: mmm…. I think I see what you mean… CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD, therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating? Darn… this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend…=( *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy… s|nnerman *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,… I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD. There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com: Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts.
RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Thank you sir!! I completely agree with you!! So glad to be here. there are lots of wonderful people who wants to share their knowledge. Thanx.. s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:09 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation True that China is buying gold (and I believe they are also switching from USD to EUR and other hard currency). But particular for gold, US Fed can somehow control the price since they have the physical assets in huge stock. By loading and unloading, they can monopolize the price to their vested interest. But agree that holding gold is protecting from inflation. As for non ferrous metal, it depends whether China buying is just for stock purpose or intention to hedge against inflation. If for stocking, the cheaper price is the better and making the price will be going nowhere and even tend to sluggish. As earlier, China is also having problem with their manufacturers. What I believe, China should not only focus the use of commodities for building infrastructures but more should use for manufacturing products, enterprise and create jobs. But again who will consume them? So, bottom line. If market is shrinking and buying appetite is low, the price will be going even lower for all product and as well as the resources. That's why the concern is how to boost the spending in all over the world to create the real economyc (recovery grow) rather than stimulus make up... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,. I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China's main problem is the devaluating USD. There's no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate) as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their interest rate from one to another place . That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool me... To Seniors, please correct if something wrong... 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com mailto:tv.kun0%40gmail.com : Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine and other macro economic experts. Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue. Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below is some copy and paste from the articles. Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing. All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever be repaid. It'll
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
T+4 Jum'at kan pak?Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
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I think that the tool for price controlling can also include the speculation in the market, seeing that the Chinese government is trying to diverse it's asset into Gold and other commodities, current price reflect the bigger picture. The main strategy is that The Chinese government have to buy these assets at a higher price thus which ever way the Chinese government tries to secure their reserves they are forced to pay a premium price. Just look at who's regulating the hedging, speculation market and where is the main market at and you will see it clearer. It also answer all the market anomalies, how can the price of monkeys stays so high when there isn't that many people wants to *use* them. It is not the businesses that created the demand, it is the speculators that is creating the 'demand' to jack up current prices of commodities. It's a war out there, it happens in various fields employing various strategies. It all ends up to the US government trying to saves themself while squeezing all possible money from the Chinese government, killing two birds with a stone ey. The question is how long will this happen? cos when it ends an the economy hasn't picked up yet we will be in a very deep doodoo ( s h i t) that the world may never see the light at the end of the tunnel for a long long time. How deep is the Chinese government's pocket, can someone enlighten me? Anyway that's just my point of view. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote: True that China is buying gold (and I believe they are also switching from USD to EUR and other hard currency). But particular for gold, US Fed can somehow control the price since they have the physical assets in huge stock. By loading and unloading, they can monopolize the price to their vested interest. But agree that holding gold is protecting from inflation. As for non ferrous metal, it depends whether China buying is just for stock purpose or intention to hedge against inflation. If for stocking, the cheaper price is the better and making the price will be going nowhere and even tend to sluggish. As earlier, China is also having problem with their manufacturers. What I believe, China should not only focus the use of commodities for building infrastructures but more should use for manufacturing products, enterprise and create jobs. But again who will consume them? So, bottom line. If market is shrinking and buying appetite is low, the price will be going even lower for all product and as well as the resources. That's why the concern is how to boost the spending in all over the world to create the real economyc (recovery grow) rather than stimulus make up...
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak?Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Kalau T+3, dapatnya Kamis, kalau T+4, dapatnya Tgl 24 Sept. Cmiiw Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:39:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Iya betul itu...tapi ritel kan T+4 kecuali yg main besar kali ya... 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Kalau T+3, dapatnya Kamis, kalau T+4, dapatnya Tgl 24 Sept. Cmiiw Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:39:13 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail.com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
RE: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation
Darn... I got it wrong?? Really should opened up all those all text books on economy.. Now I remember why I didn't take my major on economic.hahaha. Thank you for trying to explain it to me though!! Really appreciate it.. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:20 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass, potential vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you even more ya.. Elaine On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: mmm.. I think I see what you mean. CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD, therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating? Darn. this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend.=( From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD. USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should be simpler. Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh? === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Agree. but, isn't that if you are holding USD? If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the value of commodities are cheaper?? Sorry.. I am not good at this economy thingy. s|nnerman From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now, but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value of money is diminishing. === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL! On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your inputs sir,. I am sure you are just being humble.. Currently China's main problem is the devaluating USD. There's no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their money (treasury/reserve) diminishing. We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up? I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued. However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals, non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the prices north?! Regards s|n From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YUTA Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation Hi I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am trying to share some of view. Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade off which we don't know what's gonna happen. Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse, right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking. I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react. And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their value which other currency should follow (to increase
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
bukannya yang mau CASH sudah BERSIH minggu kemaren pas BEI IJO MULU bro ? jadi BEI METAL From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:39:13 AM Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail. com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) From: Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1976@ yahoo.co. id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... Dario Amran Dari: rangga_the_demon rangga_the_demon@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 Judul: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messenger Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini.
Iya ini mungkin yg sisa masih mau ijo lebih tinggi hahaha 2009/9/14 Bonardo Paruntungan lawlegali...@yahoo.com bukannya yang mau CASH sudah BERSIH minggu kemaren pas BEI IJO MULU bro ? jadi BEI METAL -- *From:* Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:39:13 AM *Subject:* Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. Ow gitu...so kalo jual skrg dapatnya gak Kamis ya? Melainkan tgl. 24. So yg butuh cash sdh terlambat utk jual. Kalo beli masih Kamis bayarnya. 2009/9/14 ruzli...@gmail. com ruzli...@gmail.com Jumat Libur, T+4 jadi tgl 24 Sept. Cek di www.idx.co.id , yg pakai margin ti ati deh .. Powered By D-Mobile (Blackberry Symbian) and D-On Line Trading (Web Based) -- *From: * Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com highwaysta...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. T+4 Jum'at kan pak? Yah kalo lebih enteng bozz kan show bisa lebih gampang :-) tapi buat apa ya? heheh 2009/9/14 dario kurniawan darioamran1976@ yahoo.co. iddarioamran1...@yahoo.co.id retail butuh duit liburan..jadi kudu jual hari senin ini biar bisa dapat dana hari kamis...bozz ga kerja berat jadinya... *Dario Amran* -- *Dari:* rangga_the_demon rangga_the_demon@ yahoo.comrangga_the_de...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Senin, 14 September, 2009 10:09:55 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Bozz masuk gak di recokin retailer minggu ini. .We will Go down in the night without a fight --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hst auto hsta...@... wrote: Dear Friends. hari ini retailer cenderung Taking Profit tapi para Big Fund lebih cenderung koleksi barang-barang buangan retailer. Kemungkinan besar Bozz masuk minggu ini agar tidak di recokin retailer. salam, HST -- Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messengerhttp://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/messenger/trueswitch/mailtagline/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
