[obrolan-bandar] Asia Seen Weathering Any US Recession

2008-01-22 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
Monday January 21, 3:08 pm ET
By Thomas Hogue, AP Business Writer
Asian Economies, Less Dependent on US, Seen Weathering Possible US
Recession BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Asia would be able to weather any
recession in the United States, analysts say, because rising trade and
investment within the region make it less dependent on the U.S. economy
than in the past.

While a severe downturn in the United States would drag on Asian growth
by eroding demand for exports, a rapidly growing middle class is fueling
orders for automobiles, electronics and housing -- much of which will be
supplied from Asia itself.
Voracious demand for oil, iron ore and other commodities to build roads,
sewage systems, and office buildings -- especially in the booming
economies of China and India -- will also help sustain the region
through any U.S. slowdown.

The U.S. economy is not that important anymore, Hans Timmer, a World
Bank economist, said in Singapore earlier this month.

Excluding Japan, 43 percent of Asia's exports go to other nations in the
region, Lehman Brothers calculates -- up from 37 percent in 1995.

China and India represent a bigger presence on the world stage than
just a half dozen years ago, said David Cohen, director of Asian
forecasting at Action Economics in Singapore. China, in particular, has
more it can bring to buffer whatever happens in the U.S.

A drop of 1 percentage point in U.S. economic growth would shave 1.3
percentage points from China's growth rate due to lower exports,
Citigroup says.

Since China is growing so fast, that isn't likely to make much of a
dent. China's economy will still expand 11 percent this year, slightly
slower than in 2007, Citigroup projects. Lehman Brothers forecasts 2008
growth will drop to 9.8 percent.

But Rajeev Malik, an economist with JPMorgan Chase in Singapore,
cautioned that growth in China and India could not make up all the slack
of a U.S. downturn.

Demand in industrial countries is still pretty important for the rest
of Asia, Malik said. While China and to some extent India offer some
offsetting demand, there will still be some downshifting in activity if
the U.S. goes into recession.

Japan, the world's second-largest economy, may suffer the most from a
U.S. contraction. Ryutaro Kono, chief economist at BNP Paribas in Tokyo,
predicts that the nation's economic growth will drop this year to about
half of the 2 percent it has marked in recent years.

The damage from the overseas economic problems hasn't really surfaced
yet, Kono said. But it will be coming.

Asian stock markets -- many of which had stellar runs last year -- have
tumbled in recent weeks amid worries that a slowdown in the U.S. will
hurt corporate profits.

Hong Kong's blue-chip Hang Seng index plummeted 5.5 percent Monday, its
biggest percentage drop since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Japan's benchmark Nikkei 225 index slid 3.9 percent to its lowest close
in more than two years, and China's Shanghai Composite index plunged 5.1
percent.

Lower demand for Chinese exports could even have a silver lining for
China by restraining inflation, which has soared to the highest level in
more than a decade.




[obrolan-bandar] Re: Tin tembus 15rb lagi

2007-11-01 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
It's going to reach that number :-) But, I wonder who would rationally
buy Timah at this multiple. Is it going to be the clash of the titans?


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 PE 10.. yang bener aja...
 
 ha.ha...
 
 
 On 8/31/07, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  target tetep 24 rebu pas
 
 
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, sbudianaY sbudiana@ wrote:
  
   C7 Pa DE, will try to gamble and sell tomorrow till lowest 12.000
  
   Happy Cuan Trading,
  
   SB
  
  
  
   From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
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   On Behalf Of Dean Earwicker
   Sent: 30 Agustus 2007 18:44
   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Tin tembus 15rb lagi
  
  
  
   Ambil jalan tengah aja pak, 12500. heheheh.
  
  
  
  
  
   Regards,
  
   DE
  
  
  
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   On Behalf Of sbudianaY
   Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:40 PM
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   Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Tin tembus 15rb lagi
   Importance: High
  
  
  
   Wuahahaha, yang satu bilang turun 10.000 dan yang lain bilang
  15.000, kacau
   balaulah, yang benar yang mana yah, binun aku, hehehe..
  
  
  
  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: SELL NOW OR DIE..baru 2.5% masih nanggung tuh!

2007-10-21 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
Who really cares about manner, as we don't care about the fact that
more than half of this mailing list members are anonymous (just like
myself :-)). It's funny and strange as well to see some unreal names
get angry at another fake ID :-). As long as I can recall, one of
several traits of a good trader is having to do with controlling one's
emotion.

But, darn! She's so accurate, though might be a bit loose tongued :-)
So, lady, be trigger-happy bomber to drop another 2 percent bomb. 5
percent if you might like :-) (The 20th anniversary of Black Monday
crash of 1987 has just passed by with only 2.64% drop. But still, be
cautious, as JSX always exaggerates the Dow). So, fasten your seatbelt.


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Si Elaine sepertinya orang 'DALEM', biarin aja dia NGOCEH...
 
 Milis ini sebenarnya penuh orang seperti si Elaine, cuman
 si Elaine cara nyampeinnya kasar...
 
 Kita juga perlu orang 'INDIDER' seperti dia dimilis, memang
 milis jadi HEBOH, tapi info insidernya KAN TEPAT yaitu -2,02%,
 selisih 0,02% dari bom yg dia bilang !!!
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote:
 
  Elaine, BYE! Don't ever come here again... Not one more post OKAY?!!
 
  Pedagang Kentang orkaybgt@ wrote:  We have cancelled
 our investment in Indonesia. Your country is simply too corrupt. The
 deal is off. We're leaving.
 
  Sincerely yours,
  Elaine
 
  PS:
  Dean, yes we've met before. You're getting softer huh.. :)
 Aggresive? You have no idea.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On 10/19/07, terry astradika astradika@ wrote:
Pak Kentang, turunin lagi donk, tanggung nih belum bisa beli,
 harganya belum diskon banget tuh..please turunin lagi
 donk...please..baru -2.5%.
 
punten ya yang laen, ini antara saya dan bos kentang aja. tks
 anyway..
 
  Pedagang Kentang orkaybgt@ wrote:
Do you want more?
 
  Where's my manner.. there's no manner in the market.
 
  You can sell your portfolio if you want
 
  Or you can hold it as long as you wish, while watching it being
 ripped piece by piece, until you realize that it's already too late.
 
  Whatever you do, is not my business.
 
  Good luck, and good bye.
 
 
On 10/19/07, James Arifin  james.arifin@ wrote:
 Drop aja bomnya jangan OMDO
 
 
  On 10/19/07, Pedagang Kentang orkaybgt@ wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  
   your money is too insignificant, so i could care less..
  
   fine then
  
   are you still laughing if drop a bomb to minus 2%
  
  
  
  
   On 10/19/07, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
IC...thanks for the warning. But what's in it for YOU?
Are you trying to be a hero? If so, thank you very much. If
 not...then
   Mbah will punish you
   
Pedagang Kentang orkaybgt@ wrote:
   
   
   
   
THIS IS ONE WAY TO HELL
BEFORE THE MASSACRE
WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO RECESSION
GET OUT OR GET BUSTED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
RESEARCH HAVE BEEN OUT TO LURE YOU
SPECIAL AGENTS HAVE BEEN SPREAD TO LURE YOU
CHARTS HAVE BEEN DRAWN TO TRICK YOU
THE MEDIA HAS BEEN OUT TO GET YOU
TO MAKE YOU BUY HIGH AND SELL ZERO
DON'T BE PANIC (YEAH RIGHT)
   
   
   
   
On 10/19/07, James Arifin james.arifin@  wrote:





 Maksudnya biar bandar kejedut juga bos Andri sehingga kita
 bisa
 tampung di bawah dan pas bandar narik kita bisa ikutan cuan
 cepat
 heheheh daripada diduluin ama Bandar bisa lama nariknya,
 apalagi
 target akhir tahun sudah ditetapkan kecuali ada rapat untuk
 rubah


 On 10/19/07, Andri Wijaya  andri.wijaya@ wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  kalu semua pada OUT masak bandar yang disuruh kejedut
 sendiri lagi,
  kira2 bandar mau dijedutin sendiri.?
  kalu barang ada di bandar semua tinggal tarik terus saja
  case :
  index 16 august low di 1863 dan 18 okt high di 2661
  jadi hanya butuh waktu 2 bulan untuk naik hampir 800 point
 (43%)
  kenapa bisa begitu ??
  padahal tahun kemaren, bulan mei 2006 index buat break high
 saja butuh
   4bln
  karena waktu bulan Juli 2007 market jatuh, BANDAR juga
 KEJEDUT
  jadi nariknya lebih gampang
  kalau balik ke 1900 market jadi bearish
 
 
  On 10/19/07, Agus Irawan  agirawan19@  wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  
   wah asik nich kalo bisa ke 1900 lagi...hmm
 myam..myam siapin
  peluru ach...
  
  
   On 10/18/07, Kentang Busuk  frendychandra@  wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
dear folks
   
Today
china - 3.5 %
india - 3.83 %, yesterday hit - 9 %, but smaller at the
 end
   
dow ? 2 days REDand the 3rd ? still running, and
 it's RED
usd jpy 115.65
   
jsx ? soon - 4 %
   
what do you expect guys ?
   
SELL ALL YOUR STOCKS NOW !!
   
I JUST GET AN INTERNAL INFO 

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Cancel Warrant Tin meningkat menjadi 9% dari sebelumnya 5%, Tin ke 16000 ?

2007-09-30 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
According to basemetals.com, cancelled warrants for tin rose again.
Also referring to basemetals' technical analysis, tin is forming an
ascending triangle. Since Timah price is trailing LME tin price, it
should be also forming the same ascending triangle pattern.



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, cuan.lagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Selama harga tin diatas 15rb, EPS TINS pasti diatas 3rb.  Dgn PE 6, 
 TP TINS MINIMAL 18rb. Yg jelas TINS masih murah buanget, hanya 
 tergantung kamauan BD.  Saat ini, asing mulai masuk ... time to take-
 off ??  tergantung BD deh   
 
 Menurut saya (tiny investor) time to collect / average up.  
 Seandainya gudang anda sudah penuh, this is not the time to trade 
 again, just sit tight, buckle yr seat belt and wait for take off.
 
 God Bless
 (Disclaimer on)
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Herman power8100@ 
 wrote:
 
  Harga tin saat ini 15450, naik 150 dari 15300 closing kemarin.
  
   
  
  Meskipun Inventory +100, tapi Cancel Warrant Tin meningkat menjadi 
 9% dari
  sebelumnya cuma 5%
  
   
  
  Akankah tin menuju 16rb ?
  
   
  
  Regards,
  
   
  
  Herman
 





[obrolan-bandar] Re: GO TINS GO !!!

2007-09-27 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
China becomes net importer
Release date: 26 Sep 2007

China was a net importer of tin in August, according to official trade
figures released on Monday. During the month China exported 1,205
tonnes of refined tin and alloy and imported 1,364 tonnes.

During the seven months to July 2007 China was a net exporter of
almost 13,000 tonnes of tin and alloy, but recent production cuts and
stronger demand have subsequently boosted domestic prices and import
volumes. Local sources expect that September imports will also exceed
exports. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, cuan.lagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good bye 12k !  Coming Soon - 20K !
 Great job BD !
 God Bless !





[obrolan-bandar] Fwd: Re: SUPER STRONG BUY TINS - LABA Q2 BAKAL KINCLONG BANGET..

2007-08-26 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
If this could be any strong indication of a spectacular full year
result, possibly a 3,500 rupiah of EPS, then Monday will see a gap in
the opening.


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, laven_28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 EXPORT TINS 2007 :
 
 APRIL  TON
 MAY  TON
 JUNE  TON
 
 TOTAL EXPORT Q TON
 
 HARGA RATA TIMAH BERDASARKAN KLTM :
 APRIL 2007 USD 14164
 MAY 2007 usd 14205
 JUNE 2007 USD. 14035
 
 KLO KITA ASUMSIKAN HARGA JUAL RATA2 TINS UNTUK Q2 SEBESAR USD 13900 
 PERTON AJA, ESTIMASI LABA UTK Q2 SEBESAR :
 
 SALES (KURS 9100)2,364 MILYAR
 HPP (ANGGAP LA USD 8200 PERTON)  1,395
 GROSS PROFIT   969 MILYAR
 
 OPERATING COST  80 MILYAR
 LABA USAHA 889 MILYAR
 TAX  35%   311
 LABA BERSIH578 MILYAR
 
 JADI TOTAL LABA BERSIH 1H SEBESAR 578 + 314 = 892 MILYAR...
 
 BODOH AMAT BANDAR MAU NAEKIN ATO TIDAK, BUY AND KEEP...TUNGGU 
 DEVIDENNYA AJA
 
 --- End forwarded message ---





[obrolan-bandar] [saham] Re: Saham Timah utk pak HALIM!

2007-08-06 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
Timah is on sale now. With earning multiple of 4 this should be a
must buy :-)



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 PGAS ini termasuk the worse dan best choice.
 
 bagus karena limited downside... worse karena ngak naik-naik dari dulu.
 
 hari ini saya cuman tangkap PGAS dikit di 9700.. iseng.. berharap stabil
 dulu sebelum meneruskan rally.
 my trade today.. ASGR 415 BBKP 550 530 BNGA 850 830. beli semua.
 berharap besok masih turun lagi... tapi kalau rebound saya profit taking
 
 
 On 8/6/07, Eka Suwandana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   PGAS juga bagus pak HALIM. tempo lalu anda pernah sarankan saya
buy PGAS.
  sekarang saya percaya PGAS bagus soalnya kan harga jualan gas
sudah naik
  9.7%. EPS bisa naik 40-50%.
  Saya dari kemarin tunggu momen PGAS balik lagi ke 9000an.
 
  *Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
 
  Sip...
 
  terima kasih banyak.
 
  artinya TINS aman.. buat investor,, not trader
 
 
  On 8/6/07, pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Sekedar info... 2 bulan lalu pernah tanya ke Corsec-nya TINS
(Pudji
   Samekto), via e-mail. Menurutnya, utk Q2 ini COGS kurang lebih sama
   atau lbh tinggi sedikit dr Q1. Sebagai perbandingan, delivered
   cost/tonne Q1 sktr 8800-8900an.
  
   Semoga membantu.
  
   Salam,
   -Anton T.
  
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com, nicholas
alvin
   nicholas_alvin@
   wrote:
   
COGS kayanya ngak beda jauh dari 1Q07 yg jelas makin bagus EPSnya
Kalau harganya bisa bertahan di atas $ 15.000/mt sampai akhir
   tahun
EPS bisa di atas Rp 3.000
Jadi TINS perusahaan blue chips yg paling murah dgn P/E 4 -5 x
Padahal perusahaan sejenis diluar P/Enya 10 - 30 x
   
   
   
Halim Mintareja hmin918@ wrote:
saya retail pak.. tebus dari distributor.. buat
   keperluan timah patri.
   
baru bulan juli naik pelan-pelan dari 70rb / kg jadi 90 rb/kg
   minggu lalu
   
batuin cari info soal COGS TINS dong..
   
masalah besar nih...
sales 100% naik... volume penjualan 100% naik...
cuman tinggal COGS doang nih.. dari bulan lalu cari bocoran
   dikit aja kagak bisa.
   
keenakan bandarnya kalau terus-terusan seperti ini
   
hmin
   
   
On 8/5/07, laven_28 laven_28@ wrote: TEBUS DARI
   MANA PAK?
Setau saya, Collector2 masih membeli dari tambang2 rakyat seharga
40rb-45rb tuh...sicolector untung gede banget dong klo dia jual
90rb... kemahalan tuh beli pak!
   
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com, Halim
   Mintareja hmin918@ wrote:

 Mn.

 bener-bener susah menentukan valuasi TINS saat ini.
 Yang punya access please..

 Bisa tanya ke corporate secretary ngak ya ??

 COGS TINS betul-betul meragukan.

 note : Kemarin saya tebus harga timah sudah naik dari 70 rb/kg
jadi 90 rb/kg

 halim


 On 8/5/07, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ wrote:
 
  Setuju banget. Lagipula timah belum ada penggantinya,
resourcenya
  terbatas, demand terus naik.
 
 
  .
 
  Regards,
  DE
 
  --
  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com]
*On Behalf
  Of *laven_28
  *Sent:* Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:57 AM
  *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com
  *Subject:* [saham] Re: Saham Timah
 
 
 
  untuk yg punya saham tins, hold aja...klo sahamnya gak naek2,
kita
  nikmati DEVIDENnya aja...dengan EPS diatas Rp. 3000
  pertahun...DEVIDEN udah diatas 10%..
 
  Timah sudah termasuk barang antik, mana ada didunia ini
   ditemukan
  Cadangan baru utk TIMAH, yang ada malah nanti cadangan makin
  menipis, harga TIN akan trus naek.
 
  P.t. Timah sendiri saya rasa, mau gak mau dia akan expansi ke
  industri Hilir, seperti YUNAN TIN..
 
  Ngomong2 tentang PER, TINS Pernya paling rendah..
  Bandingkan dengan indutri Sejenis, Malaysia smelting aja
   pernya
10x.
  Klo Yunan TIN, udah 30x..
 
  yang penting jangan pake margin atau funding. j
 
   
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] saham%40yahoogroups.com saham%
40yahoogroups.com, laven_28
  laven_28@ wrote:
  
 
   Mengenai COGS TINS, saya rasa gak bakalan terlalu berubah
   dari
   sebelum2nya...soalnya Colector2 menjual ke TINS paling mahal
71rb
   perkg nya... skrg kontribusi TIN ore paling besar masih dari
   Collector2 yang notabene mengumpulkan TIN ORE dari KP2nya
   TINS.
   Kalo yang dari kapal keruknya COGSnya malah lebih murah
   lagi...
  
  
  .
 
 
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM Q1'07 estimated EPS bisa di kisaran Rp500

2007-04-04 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
Be a bit prudent won't hurt though. Just read the following lines:


Eramet Says China May Double Nickel Substitute Output in 2007

By Tan Hwee Ann and Madelene Pearson

April 4 (Bloomberg) -- Eramet SA, operator of the world's largest
ferronickel plant, said China may more than double production of nickel
pig iron, used as a replacement for nickel, as the price of the pure
metal soars to record.

China, the world's largest consumer of nickel, may produce 60,000 tons
of the pig iron in 2007, up from 25,000 tons last year, said Jacques
Bacardats, president of Eramet, according to a transcript of a press
conference held today in New Caledonia.

Chinese steelmills including Baosteel Group Corp. are increasingly
relying on nickel pig iron, which contains between 1 and 3 percent of
nickel, to make stainless steel to contain costs. China may import 1
million tons of nickel ore from New Caledonia this year to make the pig
iron, Bacardats said.

``This product, sold well below market prices, is in direct competition
with traditional products such as ferronickel,'' said Bacardats. ``The
high prices encourage users to seek substitute materials to nickel.''

The price of nickel soared to a record $48,600 a ton yesterday.

Macquarie Bank Ltd. analysts led by Jim Lennon said China may produce as
much as 80,000 tons of nickel pig iron this year.

To contact the reporter on this story: Tan Hwee Ann in Melbourne at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Madelene Pearson in Melbourne on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last Updated: April 4, 2007 03:58 EDT



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bangbang_kw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Harga rata-2 nickel untuk Q1 ada di kisaran $38500/MT atau $17.5/Lb,
 kalau produksi ANTAM sekitar 5000MT, maka earning Q1 ada di kisaran
 Rp500 atau annualized EPS hampir Rp2000.

 Jadi harga wajar untuk PER 7 ada dikisaran Rp14000, kalau PER 9 di
 Rp18000.

 Perlu diingat kalau harga nickel bertahan, maka Q2 EPS akan semakin
 besar.

 Salam.
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, highwaystar91
 highwaystar91@ wrote:
 
  Ada yang bisa prediksi? Thanks!
 




[obrolan-bandar] Re: LME MORNING - Base metals edge higher, tin hits fresh 18-year highs

2007-03-23 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
How about going way back to its inflation-adjusted historical high
of $35,000/tonne? ITRI surely had a reputation at stake when they
predicted that tin price could go up as high as $20,000/tonne.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 seandainya balik ke 8000?
 
 
 On 3/23/07, Joe Grunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
*LME MORNING - Base metals edge higher, tin hits fresh 18-year highs
 
  bahkan diperkirakan analis LME akan terus naik.
 
  Apakah TP 14.400 Terlalu jauh? Atau dekat?
  *
 





[obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS telah breakout diatas round numbernya buy TINS now!!

2007-02-21 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
Mega bullish, hmmm, nicely coined. The fact is, every commodity-related
stock is up spiraling through the formidable waves of this commodity
super cycle of the century. How bombastic :-)
But it's true.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Bela Nusa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yah, tunggu 'aja pola reversal - turun2 atau side-aways (flat)
beberapa
 waktu - shg bisa jualan di sekitar puncaknya (tentunya dg
 kontrol/monitor psychological of tradings yg bener2 ketat, ya).

 :) Ada kemungkinan (prob) sdg terjadi/terbentuk mega-bullish - yg
memang
 berkelanjutan2.

 Regards,

 Aria


 -Original Message-
 From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick
Schubert
 Sent: 21 Februari 2007 8:34
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS telah breakout diatas round
 numbernya buy TINS now!!

 10,100caution caution... a flow sell is set.
 disclaimer HEAVILY ON.
 cheers

 budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 nggak usah take profit dulu pak,nggak ada yang tahu puncaknya, kalau
 anda gunakan trailing stop yang baik, anda bisa capture movement TINS
 dengan baik, sekedar tips yang mudah anda bisa set trailing stop di
 slightly below a round number,just guess recent round number,rgds

 bangsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 terima ksih p Budi...

 Terima kasih p Budi atas infonya, hari ini take provit di TINS, ngeri
 pegang 4 hari, stress habis karena gak bisa dianalisa pakai TA banyak
 gorengan.

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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Fw: Timah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000)

2007-02-15 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, James Arifin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 pikirkan sendiri juga kenapa riset tentang TINS keluar semua
sekarang ...
 Bandar sudah cuci gudang tapi masih ada sisa sehingga perlu narik
semut buat
 cicipin sisa2 gula ... hati2 TINS sudah terlalu overbought dan belum
pernah
 koreksi
 
 On 2/13/07, Giri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   Dana reksa masih menggunakan asumsi harga TIMAH $ 11.000/mt target
  pricenya Rp 11.000,-
 
  Harga timah sudah naik, menjadi $12.750/mt,
  apakah TP masih tetap Rp 11.000 ?
 
  Pikirkan sendiri
 
 
 
 
  
 
 





[obrolan-bandar] Re: BLTA strong buy - riset DBS 24/08/06

2007-02-15 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, James Arifin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Saya pernah bikin analisa simple bulan Mei kemarin ketika BLTA mulai
bahwa
 paling lambat 1 tahun ke depan - Mei 2007 BLTA akan menyentuh level
4700-an.
 Karena waktunya masih panjang, silakan disimpan email ini untuk dicross
 check tahun depan.
 
 On 8/30/06, Marjan Syah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Temans..
 
  Saya lampirkan riset dari DBS tanggal 24 Agustus 2006 mengenai BLTA.
  Berdasarkan pengamatan saya sendiri yang berkaitan dengan program
buyback
  saham BLTA saya mempunyai analisa secara kasar sebagai berikut:
 
  Program buyback mulai dilakukan pada tanggal 26 Juli 2006 pada
saat harga
  1770. Sampai pada laporan terakhir ke BEJ tanggal 25 Agustus, BLTA
telah
  melakukan buyback saham sebesar 19,227% dari yang diijinkan dan
membawa
  harga saham BLTA dari 1770 ke 1960. Jadi, jika fasilitas digunakan
  sepenuhnya maka pergerakan harga saham BLTA adalah sebesar
  100/19,227*(1960-1770)+1770=2750. Ini cuma hitung2an secara kasar
untuk
  menambah bahan untuk mengutak atik harga saham BLTA ^_^
 
  Jadi menurut saya saham tersebut akan dicoba dibawa ke level 2500
(posting
  sebelumnya berdasarkan PE ratio) hingga 2750 sebelum IPO untuk
mencapai
  target harga antara 3,000 (DBS) - 3100 (Mandiri Sekuritas) setelah
saham
  BLTA listing di Singapore.
 
  Regards,
  MJ
 
 
  
 
 





[obrolan-bandar] Re: R/e Nickel - sudah ada yg baca?

2007-01-29 Terurut Topik michael_steinhardt
As sure as your call on Gas Negara ?


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Mn...
 
 sekedar mengingatkan... nickel rally pada suatu saat akan hit it's
peak..
 dan saya 100% yakin terjadi dalam 6 bulan ke depan.
 
 Kenapa.. supply demand tidak seimbang... saat banyak yang sebut demand
 nickel jauh lebih tinggi dari supply.
 Kalau saya bilang demand untuk hedge fund yang lebih tinggi dari
supply
 alias deman yang cuman untuk disimpan di gudang.
 
 Ntar kalau demand yang disimpan di gudang itu jadi Supply saya yakin
 Nickel bisa hit  30.000
 Saya 100% yakin tidak sampai 6 bulan ke depan
 
 
 On 1/26/07, Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  gak usah mikir panjang2 pak.. yg jelas nickel naek terus
 
  http://www.kitconet.com/charts/metals/base/t24_nk450x275.gif
 
 
  On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:39:05 +0700, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Ada pendapat? Pak Eka?
Price on Nickel Did Not Go Up Drastically
 
 
 
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