Re: [okfn-discuss] [project proposal] OpenTest
Hi Sebastien, Thank-you very much for sending through the proposal. My understanding is that you aren't so much building a quiz builder as an open *database* of questions (perhaps in some structured format?). Is that correct? Also, in terms of licensing I assume you would be *openly* licensing the material i.e. using an Open Definition conformant license. One reason for asking is the current site uses a non-commercial license which isn't, in fact, Open Definition conformant (note that not all CC licenses are open and CC licenses do not in fact form a commons - see [1] for more). Regards, Rufus [1]: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/10/04/making-a-real-commons-creative-commons-should-drop-the-non-commercial-and-no-derivatives-licenses/ On 20 November 2012 04:26, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to propose OpenTest as an OKFN project. The idea is to build a collaborative assessment database where educators and learners can upload and share their questions and tests. All contents will be under CC license, OpenDatabase or equivalent. There is a lot of OpenEducation content on the web, not so much assessment. I believe this is a need that could be helpful for many schools, and educational institutions around the world. More info on the project here: www.opentest.cc I'd be more than happy to discuss the idea with you! =) regards, Sebastian ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss -- Co-Founder, Open Knowledge Foundation Promoting Open Knowledge in a Digital Age http://www.okfn.org/ - http://blog.okfn.org/ ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] [project proposal] OpenTest
I feel compelled to respond to the following assertion with a request for a slight but important modification -- On Nov 22, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.org wrote: (note that not all CC licenses are open While CC NC and ND licenses may indeed not conform to the Open Definition, but exist for other important reasons, ... and CC licenses do not in fact form a commons - see [1] for more). other CC licenses as well as the CC0 public domain dedication do indeed conform to both the Open Definition and many other definitions of open. Whether or not they form a commons is a matter of politics, not a matter of fact. I believe they do. -- Puneet Kishor ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] [project proposal] OpenTest
Hi Rufus, Thanks for taking the time to look through it! =) Answering your questions: 1. The project considers both a Question/Test Editor (composer) as well as the database of questions. 2. Up to this point I'm considering CC-BY-SA-NC for the site and editing tools that will become available on it. I have kept the NC because one of the main motivations of the Chilean Education Revolution of the past years is to move away from profiting in education, i.e. 'Education is not for sale' [1]. It might be a bit harsh and could discourage some people from using the contents, but I still think it's a better option for this project. Also I've noticed the OER Commons project also works with the NC license. Regarding the database of questions, I'm considering using the OpenDatabase license [2] as I understand it is more specific for databases, and it is now being used in OSM and is an OKFN project. I'm not sure what the NC equivalent is in that license yet... The licensing is still something I'm reviewing so I'm open to hear opinions and ideas regarding this. Sebastian [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932012_Chilean_student_protests [2]: http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.orgwrote: Hi Sebastien, Thank-you very much for sending through the proposal. My understanding is that you aren't so much building a quiz builder as an open *database* of questions (perhaps in some structured format?). Is that correct? Also, in terms of licensing I assume you would be *openly* licensing the material i.e. using an Open Definition conformant license. One reason for asking is the current site uses a non-commercial license which isn't, in fact, Open Definition conformant (note that not all CC licenses are open and CC licenses do not in fact form a commons - see [1] for more). Regards, Rufus [1]: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/10/04/making-a-real-commons-creative-commons-should-drop-the-non-commercial-and-no-derivatives-licenses/ On 20 November 2012 04:26, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to propose OpenTest as an OKFN project. The idea is to build a collaborative assessment database where educators and learners can upload and share their questions and tests. All contents will be under CC license, OpenDatabase or equivalent. There is a lot of OpenEducation content on the web, not so much assessment. I believe this is a need that could be helpful for many schools, and educational institutions around the world. More info on the project here: www.opentest.cc I'd be more than happy to discuss the idea with you! =) regards, Sebastian ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss -- Co-Founder, Open Knowledge Foundation Promoting Open Knowledge in a Digital Age http://www.okfn.org/ - http://blog.okfn.org/ ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] [project proposal] OpenTest
Unfortunately NC licenses are beyond the scope of the Open Knowledge Foundation, which is focused on material which is open as in the Open Definition [1]. So we wouldn't be able to offer any support for the project if it was licensed under CC-BY-SA-NC! All the best, Jonathan [1] http://opendefinition.org/ On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Rufus, Thanks for taking the time to look through it! =) Answering your questions: 1. The project considers both a Question/Test Editor (composer) as well as the database of questions. 2. Up to this point I'm considering CC-BY-SA-NC for the site and editing tools that will become available on it. I have kept the NC because one of the main motivations of the Chilean Education Revolution of the past years is to move away from profiting in education, i.e. 'Education is not for sale' [1]. It might be a bit harsh and could discourage some people from using the contents, but I still think it's a better option for this project. Also I've noticed the OER Commons project also works with the NC license. Regarding the database of questions, I'm considering using the OpenDatabase license [2] as I understand it is more specific for databases, and it is now being used in OSM and is an OKFN project. I'm not sure what the NC equivalent is in that license yet... The licensing is still something I'm reviewing so I'm open to hear opinions and ideas regarding this. Sebastian [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932012_Chilean_student_protests [2]: http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.orgwrote: Hi Sebastien, Thank-you very much for sending through the proposal. My understanding is that you aren't so much building a quiz builder as an open *database* of questions (perhaps in some structured format?). Is that correct? Also, in terms of licensing I assume you would be *openly* licensing the material i.e. using an Open Definition conformant license. One reason for asking is the current site uses a non-commercial license which isn't, in fact, Open Definition conformant (note that not all CC licenses are open and CC licenses do not in fact form a commons - see [1] for more). Regards, Rufus [1]: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/10/04/making-a-real-commons-creative-commons-should-drop-the-non-commercial-and-no-derivatives-licenses/ On 20 November 2012 04:26, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to propose OpenTest as an OKFN project. The idea is to build a collaborative assessment database where educators and learners can upload and share their questions and tests. All contents will be under CC license, OpenDatabase or equivalent. There is a lot of OpenEducation content on the web, not so much assessment. I believe this is a need that could be helpful for many schools, and educational institutions around the world. More info on the project here: www.opentest.cc I'd be more than happy to discuss the idea with you! =) regards, Sebastian ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss -- Co-Founder, Open Knowledge Foundation Promoting Open Knowledge in a Digital Age http://www.okfn.org/ - http://blog.okfn.org/ ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss -- Jonathan Gray http://jonathangray.org/ | @jwyg http://twitter.com/jwyg The Open Knowledge Foundation http://okfn.org/ | @okfnhttp://twitter.com/okfn Support our work: okfn.org/support ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] Renormalizing copyright terms
On 20 November 2012 20:33, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: David W. and I were discussing copyright terms today, and the importance of having an ongoing discussion about optimal term length and how to get there from here. Most people agree the current (c) term is too long. There are obvious moral hazards to letting those in the industry defined by (c) [who are the only ones who really care strongly about it] define its regulation. But despite the growth of free culture and free licensing, k Appears some text has dropped here :-) I know, across the spectrum of creation/curation/reading and across fields and industries, think the current (c) term is too long. This includes most publishers and intermediaries, who even among their blockbusters get the supermajority of profit and revenue from the first decades of a works' release. Indeed. I actually had some very good data on this due to earlier research ... There are obvious moral hazards to slowly increasing the term, dictated by the few who care strongly about the issue, most of whom are conflicted / make their living off of (c) restrictions. Indeed. Some related thoughts + a simple slide-based presentation of my calculation of optimal copyright term can be found in: http://rufuspollock.org/2009/09/22/talk-at-atrip-conference-how-long-should-copyright-last/ http://rufuspollock.org/economics/papers/optimal_copyright_term_talk_atrip_2009.html Now that the incremental harm of perpetual (c) is growing (with lower transaction costs, which used to mask that harm) and now that it's easier for the large body of people who care a little bit (and are harmed a little bit) by perpetual (c) to pool their experiences: there should be some place to polish this discussion over time. An OKFN thread? A QC or PK thread? Is there one already -- tracking both related proposed policies and groups / politicians who have this as part of their platform? I don't know of this but I am now somewhat out of the loop on copyright policy issues. I imagine the Pirate Party in Europe have something on this as part of their platform. Rufus ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] [project proposal] OpenTest
Sebastian, Jonathan makes a very good point. I believe NC and ND licenses have their use, as do hundreds of thousands of community members, but I also believe that there are more liberal options that are more in the spirit of open as defined by the Open Definition. As I mentioned to you in an earlier message, CC-BY for your web site and CC0 for the data would be appropriate CC licenses for this project. You may also consider CC-BY-SA, which, while a tad more restrictive than the other two, still conforms to the spirit of openness. Puneet. On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Jonathan Gray jonathan.g...@okfn.org wrote: Unfortunately NC licenses are beyond the scope of the Open Knowledge Foundation, which is focused on material which is open as in the Open Definition [1]. So we wouldn't be able to offer any support for the project if it was licensed under CC-BY-SA-NC! All the best, Jonathan [1] http://opendefinition.org/ On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Rufus, Thanks for taking the time to look through it! =) Answering your questions: 1. The project considers both a Question/Test Editor (composer) as well as the database of questions. 2. Up to this point I'm considering CC-BY-SA-NC for the site and editing tools that will become available on it. I have kept the NC because one of the main motivations of the Chilean Education Revolution of the past years is to move away from profiting in education, i.e. 'Education is not for sale' [1]. It might be a bit harsh and could discourage some people from using the contents, but I still think it's a better option for this project. Also I've noticed the OER Commons project also works with the NC license. Regarding the database of questions, I'm considering using the OpenDatabase license [2] as I understand it is more specific for databases, and it is now being used in OSM and is an OKFN project. I'm not sure what the NC equivalent is in that license yet... The licensing is still something I'm reviewing so I'm open to hear opinions and ideas regarding this. Sebastian [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932012_Chilean_student_protests [2]: http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.orgwrote: Hi Sebastien, Thank-you very much for sending through the proposal. My understanding is that you aren't so much building a quiz builder as an open *database* of questions (perhaps in some structured format?). Is that correct? Also, in terms of licensing I assume you would be *openly* licensing the material i.e. using an Open Definition conformant license. One reason for asking is the current site uses a non-commercial license which isn't, in fact, Open Definition conformant (note that not all CC licenses are open and CC licenses do not in fact form a commons - see [1] for more). Regards, Rufus [1]: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/10/04/making-a-real-commons-creative-commons-should-drop-the-non-commercial-and-no-derivatives-licenses/ On 20 November 2012 04:26, Sebastian Beca sebastian.b...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to propose OpenTest as an OKFN project. The idea is to build a collaborative assessment database where educators and learners can upload and share their questions and tests. All contents will be under CC license, OpenDatabase or equivalent. There is a lot of OpenEducation content on the web, not so much assessment. I believe this is a need that could be helpful for many schools, and educational institutions around the world. More info on the project here: www.opentest.cc I'd be more than happy to discuss the idea with you! =) regards, Sebastian .. ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
[okfn-discuss] OKFN France joins our global network
Bonjour all, I'm happy to announce the inclusion of our newest Local Group, OKFN France, into the Open Knowledge Foundation's Local Communities network! Many congratulations to its founders Samuel Goëta, Primavera De Filippi, Peter T Schiøler, Kat Borlongan, and Pierre Chrzanowski. France currently has a vibrant community of actors working to promote open knowledge and data, including La FING, Libertic and Regards Citoyens. By establishing the OKFN in France, local organisers hope to broaden these activities, acting as a focal point and helping promote French initiatives on an international scale. Now is a great time to get involved in these beginning steps.The first OKFN France meetup happens 12 Dec in Paris, and you're invited: http://www.meetup.com/OpenKnowledgeFoundation/Paris-FR/829972/ For more details about the meetup and OKFN France's plans, its founders have published a post on the OKFN Blog here: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/11/22/announcing-the-open-knowledge-foundation-in-france/ Bienvenue, OKFN France! We all look forward to hearing more from you in the upcoming months. Kat - | Kat Braybrooke | London, UK | The Open Knowledge Foundation http://okfn.org/ | Coordinator of OKFestival 2012 http://okfestival.org/ Local Communities http://okfn.org/chapters | Twitter @kat_braybrooke http://twitter.com/kat_braybrooke | Skype @ardent_coeur ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
Re: [okfn-discuss] OKFN France joins our global network
Houray! Looking forward to do some cross border projects once you guys are all set up! cordialement, Pieter Op 22-nov.-2012 19:36 schreef Naomi Lillie naomi.lil...@okfn.org het volgende: Hello OKFN France :-) Great to have you as part of the team - best wishes for your first Meet-up! Naomi On 22 November 2012 17:53, Kat Braybrooke kat.braybro...@okfn.org wrote: Bonjour all, I'm happy to announce the inclusion of our newest Local Group, OKFN France, into the Open Knowledge Foundation's Local Communities network! Many congratulations to its founders Samuel Goëta, Primavera De Filippi, Peter T Schiøler, Kat Borlongan, and Pierre Chrzanowski. France currently has a vibrant community of actors working to promote open knowledge and data, including La FING, Libertic and Regards Citoyens. By establishing the OKFN in France, local organisers hope to broaden these activities, acting as a focal point and helping promote French initiatives on an international scale. Now is a great time to get involved in these beginning steps.The first OKFN France meetup happens 12 Dec in Paris, and you're invited: http://www.meetup.com/OpenKnowledgeFoundation/Paris-FR/829972/ For more details about the meetup and OKFN France's plans, its founders have published a post on the OKFN Blog here: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/11/22/announcing-the-open-knowledge-foundation-in-france/ Bienvenue, OKFN France! We all look forward to hearing more from you in the upcoming months. Kat - | Kat Braybrooke | London, UK | The Open Knowledge Foundation http://okfn.org/ | Coordinator of OKFestival 2012 http://okfestival.org/ Local Communities http://okfn.org/chapters | Twitter @kat_braybrooke http://twitter.com/kat_braybrooke | Skype @ardent_coeur -- Naomi Lillie Foundation Administrator and Community Coordinator Open Knowledge Foundation http://okfn.org/ Skype: n.lillie ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss ___ okfn-discuss mailing list okfn-discuss@lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
