Re: [ol-discuss] Can we manage editions yet?
As far as I know, editions that have a work cannot be moved to another work using the edit form. If my understanding is correct, you would need a script and API access to correct it. As a side note: I noticed that (sometimes?) when you update information about the edition (on the 'edition' tab), the unchanged work is saved too. Only editions without a work will be assigned a new work when edited. And I don't think editions (or works) can be merged by normal users yet. Regards, Ben On 24 July 2012 18:57, Sarah Breau smbr...@hotmail.com wrote: I recall there was some discussion here a few months ago about managing editions. I ask because I was working on a book that is in a series, and for some reason all the books in the series are grouped together as one work. I need to split them into separate works, but can't figure out how to do it. Also, can we merge duplicate editions yet? Sarah ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Can we manage editions yet?
Wow, that was unexpected. I changed the edition that I had listed to have the correct Work title, it changed the Work title for all of them. Ben, that's probably what you meant about it saving the unchanged Work as well? I'll wait and see if it gets sorted out, but you can look at the versions here: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL72908W/Miko._It_was_me_Mom!?m=history I looked up the Miko books in WorldCat and they all start with Miko. then are followed by the edition name. http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_allq=miko That will be because that's how the titles are on the books themselves. kc On 7/24/12 3:19 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Ben, I'm sure they can't be moved in a kind of mechanical sense, but have you tried changing the underlying edition data? The question then is whether they get re-evaluated for Work belonging based on the new data. If there is no re-evaluation process based on updates, then my suggestion won't work. I do recall that we've talked about this or something very like this in the past, but I don't remember the outcome. kc p.s. I'll try a few and see if anything happens. On 7/24/12 12:26 PM, Ben Companjen wrote: As far as I know, editions that have a work cannot be moved to another work using the edit form. If my understanding is correct, you would need a script and API access to correct it. As a side note: I noticed that (sometimes?) when you update information about the edition (on the 'edition' tab), the unchanged work is saved too. Only editions without a work will be assigned a new work when edited. And I don't think editions (or works) can be merged by normal users yet. Regards, Ben On 24 July 2012 18:57, Sarah Breau smbr...@hotmail.com wrote: I recall there was some discussion here a few months ago about managing editions. I ask because I was working on a book that is in a series, and for some reason all the books in the series are grouped together as one work. I need to split them into separate works, but can't figure out how to do it. Also, can we merge duplicate editions yet? Sarah ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Can we manage editions yet?
That is indeed the behaviour I expected from your 'experiment description'. :) The edit form is sort of hybrid: you can edit the Work and Edition at the same time, if you enter the edit form either from an edition page, or from a work page with only one edition. In the latter case, the edit form jumps to the edition information tab automatically after loading. The top two fields belong to the Work (and are empty when a new work is created for a previously work-less edition), just like the first three tabs What's it about?, Add excerpts and Links. So everything you change in those fields is saved to the Work record. And even when you don't touch any Work field and only edit Edition information, a new revision of the Work is saved. (That is what I meant earlier.) I don't think there is anything in place that creates a new work when the work information is too different from the current edition information - the edit form's behaviour is complicated enough without such hidden behaviour. Ben On 25 July 2012 00:34, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Wow, that was unexpected. I changed the edition that I had listed to have the correct Work title, it changed the Work title for all of them. Ben, that's probably what you meant about it saving the unchanged Work as well? I'll wait and see if it gets sorted out, but you can look at the versions here: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL72908W/Miko._It_was_me_Mom!?m=history I looked up the Miko books in WorldCat and they all start with Miko. then are followed by the edition name. http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_allq=miko That will be because that's how the titles are on the books themselves. kc On 7/24/12 3:19 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Ben, I'm sure they can't be moved in a kind of mechanical sense, but have you tried changing the underlying edition data? The question then is whether they get re-evaluated for Work belonging based on the new data. If there is no re-evaluation process based on updates, then my suggestion won't work. I do recall that we've talked about this or something very like this in the past, but I don't remember the outcome. kc p.s. I'll try a few and see if anything happens. On 7/24/12 12:26 PM, Ben Companjen wrote: As far as I know, editions that have a work cannot be moved to another work using the edit form. If my understanding is correct, you would need a script and API access to correct it. As a side note: I noticed that (sometimes?) when you update information about the edition (on the 'edition' tab), the unchanged work is saved too. Only editions without a work will be assigned a new work when edited. And I don't think editions (or works) can be merged by normal users yet. Regards, Ben On 24 July 2012 18:57, Sarah Breau smbr...@hotmail.com wrote: I recall there was some discussion here a few months ago about managing editions. I ask because I was working on a book that is in a series, and for some reason all the books in the series are grouped together as one work. I need to split them into separate works, but can't figure out how to do it. Also, can we merge duplicate editions yet? Sarah ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
