Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

Do you have a smb conf you can share?  I am especially curious about the 
fruit parameters for Mac and any shadow parameters you have set for the 
Windows previous versions to work.


thanks!!

Geoff



On 2017-11-24 08:40 AM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi Geoff

I have a mixed environment with mac/pc/linux smb can talk to everyone ..

cheers Manuel


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To: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 5:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi Manuel.

Are there other reasons why you decided to go with samba?

thanks,

Geoff


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the compilation
by your selfe.
we store our build script under
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Stephan Budach]

Hi,

- Ursprüngliche Mail -
> Von: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> An: "Chris Ferebee" <c...@ferebee.net>
> CC: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 07:54:20
> Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> 
> Hi Chris.
> 
> I wonder if now this is fixed with the vfs_fruit module in Samba.
> 
> http://plazko.io/apple-osx-finder-is-listing-files-very-very-slow-when-connected-to-smb-shared-hard-drive-connected-to-a-wifi-router/
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Geoff
> 

the vfs_fruit extension, afair, provides interlocking capabilities between 
Netatalk/AFP and Samba 3/4. It allows Macs and PCs to share the same data 
through both protocols.

Looking at the man page of it, it may be doing some more stuff, which may come 
in handy for macOS clients. However, this module will not work with the 
kernel/smb and you will have to go with a full-fledged Samba 4 installation.

I know Ralph Böhme, the author of vfs_fruit, and I have contacted serNet (the 
company he's working for) and we be having a conversation about what the odds 
arem that they provide a package for omniOS as well.

Cheers,
Stephan
  
> 
> 
> On 2017-11-25 06:45 AM, Chris Ferebee wrote:
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > I love the way you put this:
> >
> >> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the
> >> "finder".
> > Oh, yes. I spent months of my life in 2014 fighting the Finder vs.
> > a major installation of netatalk, which I deployed on SmartOS.
> >
> > We have a large server (dual 6-core XEON, 128 GB RAM, 22 x 4 TB
> > SAS, STEC ZeusRAM) running as a fileserver for Macs. The client
> > does motion graphics and has a very large number of files, 100+
> > million on the largest share. (Not more than a few thousand files
> > per directory, though.)
> >
> > What we saw was that opening the Finder to a directory on the AFP
> > share would show a blank window for 20–180 seconds before
> > displaying the contents, even if there were maybe just 10–20
> > subdirectories to display.
> >
> > Then, as long as the Finder window was open, it would peg one CPU
> > core on the server at 100%, even though the display did not
> > change.
> >
> > It turned out that the Finder was looping continually through files
> > several subdirectories deep, querying extended attributes. Due to
> > the way netatalk is coded, this requires a call to getcwd() each
> > time, which is very expensive on Solaris. (getcwd() = get the path
> > name of the current working directory.)
> >
> > A SmartOS engineer was kind enough to advise me on this, and
> > basically told me: if you have getcwd() in your hot path, you are
> > screwed. This is probably a reason why the problem, though
> > actually a netatalk issue, is less pronounced on Linux, where
> > getcwd() is not as expensive as on Solaris.
> >
> > I never did get to the bottom of this. It appears that it doesn’t
> > happen when the Finder is talking to Apple’s own AFP server,
> > perhaps because there the Finder is able to use FSEvents to track
> > changes. Unfortunately, it appears that netatalk has never fully
> > addressed this, at least I haven’t seen anything indicating that
> > it has gained FSEvents supports in the past years. Here is what
> > netatalk dev Ralph Böhme had to say:
> >
> > <https://sourceforge.net/p/netatalk/mailman/message/32669188/>
> >
> > In the end, I switched the client to a (commercial, expensive) AFP
> > server, HELIOS EtherShare, and all problems went away, performance
> > as expected, and I didn’t investigate further.
> >
> > If you are dealing with Adobe applications, be aware that there are
> > a number of reasons why they do not work well on a Mac over SMB.
> > We didn’t get past a hard maximum path length of 254 characters,
> > but there are others.
> >
> > I’m happy to discuss this further, and would be quite interested to
> > find a less-expensive solution for large-scale file service for
> > Macs. We can take it off-list if it goes any further off topic.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >> Am 24.11.2017 um 03:56 schrieb Geoff Nordli <geo...@gnaa.net>:
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file
> >> shares running Omnios.
> >>
> >> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the
> >> "finder".
> >>
> >> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off
> >> of sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> Geoff
> >>
> >>
> 


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

Hi Chris.

I wonder if now this is fixed with the vfs_fruit module in Samba.

http://plazko.io/apple-osx-finder-is-listing-files-very-very-slow-when-connected-to-smb-shared-hard-drive-connected-to-a-wifi-router/

thanks,

Geoff



On 2017-11-25 06:45 AM, Chris Ferebee wrote:

Hi Geoff,

I love the way you put this:


They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

Oh, yes. I spent months of my life in 2014 fighting the Finder vs. a major 
installation of netatalk, which I deployed on SmartOS.

We have a large server (dual 6-core XEON, 128 GB RAM, 22 x 4 TB SAS, STEC 
ZeusRAM) running as a fileserver for Macs. The client does motion graphics and 
has a very large number of files, 100+ million on the largest share. (Not more 
than a few thousand files per directory, though.)

What we saw was that opening the Finder to a directory on the AFP share would 
show a blank window for 20–180 seconds before displaying the contents, even if 
there were maybe just 10–20 subdirectories to display.

Then, as long as the Finder window was open, it would peg one CPU core on the 
server at 100%, even though the display did not change.

It turned out that the Finder was looping continually through files several 
subdirectories deep, querying extended attributes. Due to the way netatalk is 
coded, this requires a call to getcwd() each time, which is very expensive on 
Solaris. (getcwd() = get the path name of the current working directory.)

A SmartOS engineer was kind enough to advise me on this, and basically told me: 
if you have getcwd() in your hot path, you are screwed. This is probably a 
reason why the problem, though actually a netatalk issue, is less pronounced on 
Linux, where getcwd() is not as expensive as on Solaris.

I never did get to the bottom of this. It appears that it doesn’t happen when 
the Finder is talking to Apple’s own AFP server, perhaps because there the 
Finder is able to use FSEvents to track changes. Unfortunately, it appears that 
netatalk has never fully addressed this, at least I haven’t seen anything 
indicating that it has gained FSEvents supports in the past years. Here is what 
netatalk dev Ralph Böhme had to say:



In the end, I switched the client to a (commercial, expensive) AFP server, 
HELIOS EtherShare, and all problems went away, performance as expected, and I 
didn’t investigate further.

If you are dealing with Adobe applications, be aware that there are a number of 
reasons why they do not work well on a Mac over SMB. We didn’t get past a hard 
maximum path length of 254 characters, but there are others.

I’m happy to discuss this further, and would be quite interested to find a 
less-expensive solution for large-scale file service for Macs. We can take it 
off-list if it goes any further off topic.

Good luck,
Chris



Am 24.11.2017 um 03:56 schrieb Geoff Nordli :

Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares running 
Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of 
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff




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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

Is it the vfs_fruit module, the major reason why samba works better?


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
compilation by your selfe.
we store our build script under 
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" 
To: "omnios-discuss" 
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Dan McDonald]

I use NFS.

I either use automounter on MacOS  (i.e. /net/server//...) or now that I 
have Carbon Copy Cloner, I also use NFS URLs (nfs://server/), though I 
set up distinct ZFS datasets for CCC.

I see problems occasionally, but less so as time has gone on.  Seeing the 
._filename files (where Mac resource fork data is kept) on the OmniOS side of 
things is always weird, but not THAT weird.

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Chris Ferebee]

Hi Geoff,

I love the way you put this:

> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

Oh, yes. I spent months of my life in 2014 fighting the Finder vs. a major 
installation of netatalk, which I deployed on SmartOS.

We have a large server (dual 6-core XEON, 128 GB RAM, 22 x 4 TB SAS, STEC 
ZeusRAM) running as a fileserver for Macs. The client does motion graphics and 
has a very large number of files, 100+ million on the largest share. (Not more 
than a few thousand files per directory, though.)

What we saw was that opening the Finder to a directory on the AFP share would 
show a blank window for 20–180 seconds before displaying the contents, even if 
there were maybe just 10–20 subdirectories to display.

Then, as long as the Finder window was open, it would peg one CPU core on the 
server at 100%, even though the display did not change.

It turned out that the Finder was looping continually through files several 
subdirectories deep, querying extended attributes. Due to the way netatalk is 
coded, this requires a call to getcwd() each time, which is very expensive on 
Solaris. (getcwd() = get the path name of the current working directory.)

A SmartOS engineer was kind enough to advise me on this, and basically told me: 
if you have getcwd() in your hot path, you are screwed. This is probably a 
reason why the problem, though actually a netatalk issue, is less pronounced on 
Linux, where getcwd() is not as expensive as on Solaris.

I never did get to the bottom of this. It appears that it doesn’t happen when 
the Finder is talking to Apple’s own AFP server, perhaps because there the 
Finder is able to use FSEvents to track changes. Unfortunately, it appears that 
netatalk has never fully addressed this, at least I haven’t seen anything 
indicating that it has gained FSEvents supports in the past years. Here is what 
netatalk dev Ralph Böhme had to say:



In the end, I switched the client to a (commercial, expensive) AFP server, 
HELIOS EtherShare, and all problems went away, performance as expected, and I 
didn’t investigate further.

If you are dealing with Adobe applications, be aware that there are a number of 
reasons why they do not work well on a Mac over SMB. We didn’t get past a hard 
maximum path length of 254 characters, but there are others.

I’m happy to discuss this further, and would be quite interested to find a 
less-expensive solution for large-scale file service for Macs. We can take it 
off-list if it goes any further off topic.

Good luck,
Chris


> Am 24.11.2017 um 03:56 schrieb Geoff Nordli :
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares running 
> Omnios.
> 
> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
> 
> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of 
> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
> 
> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Geoff
> 
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

looking at the build script for that package, in the functions.sh file, 
it is explicitly looking for the 5.1.


BasicRequirements(){
    local needed=""
    [[ -x /opt/gcc-5.1.0/bin/gcc ]] || needed+=" developer/gcc51"


Obviously, easy enough to fix that script, just wondering if Samba 
should compile well with 5.5.





On 2017-11-24 12:44 PM, Andy Fiddaman wrote:

The package is now called just ‘gcc5’
gcc51 is there as a renamed package.


On 24 Nov 2017, at 20:28, Geoff Nordli <geo...@gnaa.net> wrote:

That is what I am currently running.

#cat /etc/release
   OmniOS v11 r151024c
   Copyright 2017 OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. All rights reserved.
   Copyright 2017 OmniOS Community Edition (OmniOSce) Association.
   All rights reserved. Use is subject to license terms.

#pkg publisher
PUBLISHER   TYPE STATUS P LOCATION
extra.omniosorigin   online F 
https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/extra/
omnios  origin   online F 
https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/core/


I think i am missing something though, because it seems that it is installed

#sudo pkg install gcc51
No updates necessary for this image.

It seems there is a gcc51 available in the catalog.

# pkg search gcc51
INDEX  ACTION VALUE  PACKAGE
pkg.fmri   setomnios/developer/gcc51 pkg:/developer/gcc51@5.1.0-0.151024


but when I list the packages, it doesn't show up

pkg list | grep gcc5
developer/gcc5 (omnios) 5.5.0-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libgmp-gcc5 (omnios) 6.1.2-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libmpc-gcc5 (omnios) 1.0.3-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libmpfr-gcc5 (omnios) 3.1.5-0.151024 i--


any ideas?

thanks!!




On 2017-11-24 11:49 AM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
hi Geoff

you should switch to https://omniosce.org

cheers Manuel


- Original Message -

From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 7:52:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
I am trying to build it, but it uses gcc51.

That package isn't in the Omniosce core or extra repository.

Are you using the https://pkg.omniti.com/omnios/r151022 repo?



On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the compilation
by your selfe.
we store our build script under
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

- Original Message -

From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Andy Fiddaman]

The package is now called just ‘gcc5’
gcc51 is there as a renamed package. 

> On 24 Nov 2017, at 20:28, Geoff Nordli <geo...@gnaa.net> wrote:
> 
> That is what I am currently running.
> 
> #cat /etc/release
>   OmniOS v11 r151024c
>   Copyright 2017 OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. All rights reserved.
>   Copyright 2017 OmniOS Community Edition (OmniOSce) Association.
>   All rights reserved. Use is subject to license terms.
> 
> #pkg publisher
> PUBLISHER   TYPE STATUS P LOCATION
> extra.omniosorigin   online F 
> https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/extra/
> omnios  origin   online F 
> https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/core/
> 
> 
> I think i am missing something though, because it seems that it is installed
> 
> #sudo pkg install gcc51
> No updates necessary for this image.
> 
> It seems there is a gcc51 available in the catalog.
> 
> # pkg search gcc51
> INDEX  ACTION VALUE  PACKAGE
> pkg.fmri   setomnios/developer/gcc51 pkg:/developer/gcc51@5.1.0-0.151024
> 
> 
> but when I list the packages, it doesn't show up
> 
> pkg list | grep gcc5
> developer/gcc5 (omnios) 5.5.0-0.151024 i--
> developer/gcc5/libgmp-gcc5 (omnios) 6.1.2-0.151024 i--
> developer/gcc5/libmpc-gcc5 (omnios) 1.0.3-0.151024 i--
> developer/gcc5/libmpfr-gcc5 (omnios) 3.1.5-0.151024 i--
> 
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> thanks!!
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2017-11-24 11:49 AM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
>> hi Geoff
>> 
>> you should switch to https://omniosce.org
>> 
>> cheers Manuel
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -----
>>> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
>>> Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 7:52:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
>>> I am trying to build it, but it uses gcc51.
>>> 
>>> That package isn't in the Omniosce core or extra repository.
>>> 
>>> Are you using the https://pkg.omniti.com/omnios/r151022 repo?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> We are using samba and it works well with macos.
>>>> 
>>>> you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
>>>> compilation
>>>> by your selfe.
>>>> we store our build script under
>>>> https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4
>>>> 
>>>> disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
>>>> http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/
>>>> 
>>>> cheers Manuel
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
>>>>> To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
>>>>> Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
>>>>> running Omnios.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
>>>>> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> 
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

That is what I am currently running.

#cat /etc/release
  OmniOS v11 r151024c
  Copyright 2017 OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. All rights reserved.
  Copyright 2017 OmniOS Community Edition (OmniOSce) Association.
  All rights reserved. Use is subject to license terms.

#pkg publisher
PUBLISHER   TYPE STATUS P LOCATION
extra.omnios    origin   online F 
https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/extra/
omnios  origin   online F 
https://pkg.omniosce.org/r151024/core/



I think i am missing something though, because it seems that it is installed

#sudo pkg install gcc51
No updates necessary for this image.

It seems there is a gcc51 available in the catalog.

# pkg search gcc51
INDEX  ACTION VALUE  PACKAGE
pkg.fmri   set    omnios/developer/gcc51 pkg:/developer/gcc51@5.1.0-0.151024


but when I list the packages, it doesn't show up

pkg list | grep gcc5
developer/gcc5 (omnios) 5.5.0-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libgmp-gcc5 (omnios) 6.1.2-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libmpc-gcc5 (omnios) 1.0.3-0.151024 i--
developer/gcc5/libmpfr-gcc5 (omnios) 3.1.5-0.151024 i--


any ideas?

thanks!!



On 2017-11-24 11:49 AM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

hi Geoff

you should switch to https://omniosce.org

cheers Manuel


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From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 7:52:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
I am trying to build it, but it uses gcc51.

That package isn't in the Omniosce core or extra repository.

Are you using the https://pkg.omniti.com/omnios/r151022 repo?


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the compilation
by your selfe.
we store our build script under
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Manuel Oetiker]

hi Geoff

you should switch to https://omniosce.org 

cheers Manuel 


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> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 7:52:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

> I am trying to build it, but it uses gcc51.
> 
> That package isn't in the Omniosce core or extra repository.
> 
> Are you using the https://pkg.omniti.com/omnios/r151022 repo?
> 
> 
> On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> We are using samba and it works well with macos.
>>
>> you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
>> compilation
>> by your selfe.
>> we store our build script under
>> https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4
>>
>> disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
>> http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/
>>
>> cheers Manuel
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
>>> To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
>>> Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
>>> running Omnios.
>>>
>>> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
>>>
>>> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
>>> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Stephan Budach]

- Ursprüngliche Mail -
> Von: "David Ledger" <david.led...@ivdcs.co.uk>
> An: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 19:26:44
> Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> 
> On 24 Nov 2017, at 17:41, Stephan Budach wrote:
> 
> > - Ursprüngliche Mail -
> >> Von: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> >> An: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
> >> CC: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 18:05:17
> >> Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> >>
> >> What made you choose Samba vs the built-in SMB server?
> >>
> >> Active Directory domain controller?
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, what was it? I already reveived word, that I can use
> > AD/Kerberos
> > to authenticate my Macs to Kernel/SMB.
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> Maybe getting off topic, but what do people use to update Mac user
> passwords and keychain passwords when they are changed in AD from an
> app
> on OmniOS?
> 
> David

Tried NoMAD?

Cheers,
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

I am trying to build it, but it uses gcc51.

That package isn't in the Omniosce core or extra repository.

Are you using the https://pkg.omniti.com/omnios/r151022 repo?


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
compilation by your selfe.
we store our build script under 
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" 
To: "omnios-discuss" 
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[David Ledger]

On 24 Nov 2017, at 17:41, Stephan Budach wrote:


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An: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
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Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 18:05:17
Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

What made you choose Samba vs the built-in SMB server?

Active Directory domain controller?



Yeah, what was it? I already reveived word, that I can use AD/Kerberos 
to authenticate my Macs to Kernel/SMB.

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Maybe getting off topic, but what do people use to update Mac user 
passwords and keychain passwords when they are changed in AD from an app 
on OmniOS?


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Stephan Budach]

- Ursprüngliche Mail -
> Von: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> An: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
> CC: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 18:05:17
> Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> 
> What made you choose Samba vs the built-in SMB server?
> 
> Active Directory domain controller?
>
 
Yeah, what was it? I already reveived word, that I can use AD/Kerberos to 
authenticate my Macs to Kernel/SMB.


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Stephan Budach]

Hi Geoff,

- Ursprüngliche Mail -
> Von: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> An: "Stephan Budach" <stephan.bud...@jvm.de>
> CC: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 18:06:52
> Betreff: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> 
> 
> 
> On 2017-11-23 10:57 PM, Stephan Budach wrote:
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > - Ursprüngliche Mail -
> >> Von: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> >> An: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 03:56:01
> >> Betreff: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file
> >> shares
> >> running Omnios.
> >>
> >> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the
> >> "finder".
> >>
> >> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off
> >> of
> >> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> Geoff
> >>
> > well, the current Netatalk 3.1.x packages will of course get you
> > Mac connectivity, but you should probably go with SMB instead, as
> > no one actually knows, when Apple will pull AFP from macOS. I know
> > that AFP/Netatalk is very fast - we have been using it on
> > Solaris11 for a long time now, but it is in no way future-proof.
> >
> > I think it would make more sense to fix the speed issues, you're
> > seeing when using SMB. What speed issues are you experiencing?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Stephan
> 
> Hello Stephan.
> 
> I am not 100% sure exactly what the issues are with the finder.  I
> wanted to make sure I was focusing on the right protocol first.
> 
> Manuel suggests going with Samba, which I have been looking at for a
> couple of years, but nothing really made me want to put the effort
> into it.
> 
> thanks!!
> Geoff

this is, what I would suggest as well. Actually, we just started an internal 
project to finally move from AFP to SMB. Although I know, that AFP beats the 
pants off of SMB, AFP will go away and it's better to switch asap and in your 
case, not get tainted by AFP's speed in the first place…

Better focus on what bothers you when using SMB and getting that sorted out.

Cheers,
Stephan


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

On 2017-11-23 10:57 PM, Stephan Budach wrote:

Hi Geoff,

- Ursprüngliche Mail -

Von: "Geoff Nordli" 
An: "omnios-discuss" 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 03:56:01
Betreff: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff


well, the current Netatalk 3.1.x packages will of course get you Mac 
connectivity, but you should probably go with SMB instead, as no one actually 
knows, when Apple will pull AFP from macOS. I know that AFP/Netatalk is very 
fast - we have been using it on Solaris11 for a long time now, but it is in no 
way future-proof.

I think it would make more sense to fix the speed issues, you're seeing when 
using SMB. What speed issues are you experiencing?

Cheers,
Stephan


Hello Stephan.

I am not 100% sure exactly what the issues are with the finder.  I 
wanted to make sure I was focusing on the right protocol first.


Manuel suggests going with Samba, which I have been looking at for a 
couple of years, but nothing really made me want to put the effort into it.


thanks!!
Geoff


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

What made you choose Samba vs the built-in SMB server?

Active Directory domain controller?


On 2017-11-24 08:40 AM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi Geoff

I have a mixed environment with mac/pc/linux smb can talk to everyone ..

cheers Manuel


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To: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 5:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi Manuel.

Are there other reasons why you decided to go with samba?

thanks,

Geoff


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the compilation
by your selfe.
we store our build script under
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Manuel Oetiker]

Hi Geoff

I have a mixed environment with mac/pc/linux smb can talk to everyone .. 

cheers Manuel


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> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
> To: "Manuel Oetiker" <man...@oetiker.ch>
> Cc: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 5:32:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

> Hi Manuel.
> 
> Are there other reasons why you decided to go with samba?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
> On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> We are using samba and it works well with macos.
>>
>> you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
>> compilation
>> by your selfe.
>> we store our build script under
>> https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4
>>
>> disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
>> http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/
>>
>> cheers Manuel
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Geoff Nordli" <geo...@gnaa.net>
>>> To: "omnios-discuss" <omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
>>> Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
>>> running Omnios.
>>>
>>> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
>>>
>>> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
>>> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Geoff Nordli]

Hi Manuel.

Are there other reasons why you decided to go with samba?

thanks,

Geoff


On 2017-11-23 11:33 PM, Manuel Oetiker wrote:

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos.

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
compilation by your selfe.
we store our build script under 
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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From: "Geoff Nordli" 
To: "omnios-discuss" 
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
Hi.

I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
running Omnios.

They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".

I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
sourceforge, which looks fairly current.

Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?

thanks,

Geoff

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Manuel Oetiker]

Hi

We are using samba and it works well with macos. 

you can download our smb package from pkg.oetiker.ch or just run the 
compilation by your selfe.
we store our build script under 
https://github.com/oposs/pkg.oetiker.ch-build/tree/master/build/samba4

disabling thumbnails preview helps speed up finder ...
http://osxdaily.com/2013/01/10/disable-finder-icon-thumbnails-previews-mac-os-x/

cheers Manuel

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> From: "Geoff Nordli" 
> To: "omnios-discuss" 
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:56:01 AM
> Subject: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

> Hi.
> 
> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
> running Omnios.
> 
> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
> 
> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
> 
> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Geoff
> 
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?

[Stephan Budach]

Hi Geoff,

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> Von: "Geoff Nordli" 
> An: "omnios-discuss" 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2017 03:56:01
> Betreff: [OmniOS-discuss] Best way to share files with Mac?
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I have to support a few mac machines connecting to a few file shares
> running Omnios.
> 
> They are reporting problems with the speed when using the "finder".
> 
> I see there is a netatalk package I can download and compile off of
> sourceforge, which looks fairly current.
> 
> Any suggestions on the best way forward to support Mac machines?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Geoff
> 

well, the current Netatalk 3.1.x packages will of course get you Mac 
connectivity, but you should probably go with SMB instead, as no one actually 
knows, when Apple will pull AFP from macOS. I know that AFP/Netatalk is very 
fast - we have been using it on Solaris11 for a long time now, but it is in no 
way future-proof.

I think it would make more sense to fix the speed issues, you're seeing when 
using SMB. What speed issues are you experiencing?

Cheers,
Stephan


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