Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it.
Thank Raphael Bircher for the comment. I used VCLTesttool several times and found that it's difficult to debug and understand what's being done by scripts. Maybe because I don't know Basic and the tool enough well. :-). I admit that VCLTestTool and these large amounts of test scripts are very valuable and worth reusing. Anyway, a chance to implement GUI testing using Java may attract more people to contribute test scripts. The lib has been used to test Lotus Symphony for long time. I will contribute it ASAP after my company approve it. | | From: | | --| |Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch | --| | | To:| | --| |ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org | --| | | Date: | | --| |11/16/2011 03:22 PM | --| | | Subject: | | --| |Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it. | --| Hi Liu Am 16.11.11 03:29, schrieb Zhe Liu: Hi all, Vcl TestTool is used by GUI automated testing for OpenOffice.org, but it has many drawbacks. Too many errors, difficult to debug, maintain and execute parallelly. I found many people mentioned this problem. Libreoffice has abondoned the tool. But I think GUI automated testing still is valuable. It can test the product more like the actual users. The problems with the VCLTestTool are well known. But to write a new one is not trivial too. It needs a load of work to bring a new tool to the productiv use. Well, we can maybe use the old testscripts as guide for new testscripts. But the VCLTestTool as is works fine, and you can find errors realy quick. Mainly not working dialoges, crashs and freese. VCLTestTool is not so buggy as many people say. But yes, it needs aditional work to bring it to a productive tool for the community. I has been working for long time on automated testing in Symphony project. I wrote a Java lib which can connect to the automation (automation module in source code) server in openoffice process and do GUI automated testing. The lib can be integrated with JUnit or other Java testing framework. Anybody interested in the lib? I can contribute it to community. Suggestion is welcome. Yes, please contribut it. We can only compare your jave lib with the VCLTestTool if we have the lib. It most not be finishd, but we can only discouss her, if we see the things. Well, I'm more interested in core development, but I'm willing to bring my QA experience in to the community. So I'm still interested in automated testing. And Yes, I also think that automated tests are important in a project like Apache OpenOffice.org. PS, I am a newbie here. :-) You are welcome Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it.
Hi Liu, On 16.11.2011 09:16, Zhe Liu wrote: Thank Raphael Bircher for the comment. I used VCLTesttool several times and found that it's difficult to debug and understand what's being done by scripts. Maybe because I don't know Basic and the tool enough well. :-). I admit that VCLTestTool and these large amounts of test scripts are very valuable and worth reusing. Anyway, a chance to implement GUI testing using Java may attract more people to contribute test scripts. It would certainly attract me. When working for Sun/Oracle I had the, ahm, pleasure to work with the VCL Testtool a couple of times (usually the colleagues from QA shielded us developers from it, but some bugs required us using the test tool directly.) Understanding the Basic code was never easy. The differences between C++ and Basic are just too big. So a Java solution would be very welcome. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Andre The lib has been used to test Lotus Symphony for long time. I will contribute it ASAP after my company approve it. Inactive hide details for Raphael Bircher ---11/16/2011 03:22:28 PM---Hi LiuRaphael Bircher ---11/16/2011 03:22:28 PM---Hi Liu From: Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: 11/16/2011 03:22 PM Subject: Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it. Hi Liu Am 16.11.11 03:29, schrieb Zhe Liu: Hi all, Vcl TestTool is used by GUI automated testing for OpenOffice.org, but it has many drawbacks. Too many errors, difficult to debug, maintain and execute parallelly. I found many people mentioned this problem. Libreoffice has abondoned the tool. But I think GUI automated testing still is valuable. It can test the product more like the actual users. The problems with the VCLTestTool are well known. But to write a new one is not trivial too. It needs a load of work to bring a new tool to the productiv use. Well, we can maybe use the old testscripts as guide for new testscripts. But the VCLTestTool as is works fine, and you can find errors realy quick. Mainly not working dialoges, crashs and freese. VCLTestTool is not so buggy as many people say. But yes, it needs aditional work to bring it to a productive tool for the community. I has been working for long time on automated testing in Symphony project. I wrote a Java lib which can connect to the automation (automation module in source code) server in openoffice process and do GUI automated testing. The lib can be integrated with JUnit or other Java testing framework. Anybody interested in the lib? I can contribute it to community. Suggestion is welcome. Yes, please contribut it. We can only compare your jave lib with the VCLTestTool if we have the lib. It most not be finishd, but we can only discouss her, if we see the things. Well, I'm more interested in core development, but I'm willing to bring my QA experience in to the community. So I'm still interested in automated testing. And Yes, I also think that automated tests are important in a project like Apache OpenOffice.org. PS, I am a newbie here. :-) You are welcome Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: agg and epm are still in svn repo.
On 11/15/11 7:23 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Jürgen, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 05:03:37PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 11/10/11 6:03 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hello Maho, On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:47:23AM +0900, Maho NAKATA wrote: Hi, while porting AOOo to FreeBSD, pgf@ noticed that agg and epm are still in svn repo. is it correct? Should we remove them? epm is needed to build deb and rpm packages for Linux (at least, didn't try BSD, etc). Now that copy-left is disabled by default, I'm building with --with-epm=/home/ariel/bin/epm --with-package-format=installed rpm and I find it nicer than building epm for every clean build. IMO it can be removed and made a build dependency. i assume you use the patched version of epm that you have built earlier, correct? so so. I took already downloaded the source, applied the patch and installed in ~/bin because... Did you have tried the system epm tool? ... there is no epm in Fedora repositories, Ubuntu seems to have an epm package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=epm ok, fedora is on my list of the systems (rpm based) to test, good to know that no epm is available in the repositories. Or better not good to know :-( I will test it on fedora with a fresh downloaded epm from the webpage. But i have to setup a build env on fedora first. If you are interested in testing it as well, i can share my patch. I was able to build on Ubuntu with the system epm 4.2. Well i have not finally tested the debs but will do so asap. The whole packaging process is not really easy to understand ;-) It takes some time... Juergen but OOo patch looks non trivial, a vanilla epm from http://www.epmhome.org/software.php or a system one may not work as expected. Regards
Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it.
Hi Liu, you are welcome! The QA people here will benefit of your contribution. VCL testtool has been used to avoid regressions and to assure that broken resource files are found before a release because broken resource files cause an application crash. VCL testtool used a VBA dialect to attract even people who are not that experienced in programming as it would be needed if C++ or JAVA is used to program test scripts. UI testing is important because it can detect problems eg. related to display/printer drivers better compared to API based tests because the user interface is used. Kind regards, Joost Am 16.11.2011 03:29, schrieb Zhe Liu: Hi all, Vcl TestTool is used by GUI automated testing for OpenOffice.org, but it has many drawbacks. Too many errors, difficult to debug, maintain and execute parallelly. I found many people mentioned this problem. Libreoffice has abondoned the tool. But I think GUI automated testing still is valuable. It can test the product more like the actual users. I has been working for long time on automated testing in Symphony project. I wrote a Java lib which can connect to the automation (automation module in source code) server in openoffice process and do GUI automated testing. The lib can be integrated with JUnit or other Java testing framework. Anybody interested in the lib? I can contribute it to community. Suggestion is welcome. PS, I am a newbie here. :-) Thanks. - Liu Zhe
Re: Build Breaker in /main/tools/
Hi all I was just running a new build, and the breaker is solved. Andre If you need a testrun on a mac, just let me know, I hav here two macs who are ready for OOo builds. Greetings Raphael Am 16.11.11 09:14, schrieb Andre Fischer: Hi, Sorry about that. I do not (yet) have access to a MacOS X build environment. Although, I am a bit surprised about the nature of the problem. A sal_Int32 should be a 4 byte integer, something that a 32bit or 64bit compiler should be able to pack into an int. Anyway, thank you Pedro for fixing this so fast. Regards, Andre On 16.11.2011 00:46, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi at all We have a build breaker in /main/tools/ As far I can see, it has samething to do with Andre's Patch who was commited by Pedro. Here is the output Module 'xmerge' delivered successfully. 8 files copied, 4 files unchanged 1 module(s): tools need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /Users/server3/Documents/build31/main/tools/prj When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by running: build --from tools server3:instsetoo_native server3$ cd tools -bash: cd: tools: No such file or directory server3:instsetoo_native server3$ cd .. server3:main server3$ cd tools/ server3:tools server3$ ls Executable_mkunroll.mk inc Executable_rscdep.mk os2 Executable_so_checksum.mk prj Executable_sspretty.mk qa Library_tl.mk source Makefile test Module_tools.mk unx Package_inc.mk win StaticLibrary_ooopathutils.mk workben bootstrp server3:tools server3$ build build -- version: 275224 This module has been migrated to GNU make. You can only use build --all/--since here with build.pl. To do the equivalent of 'build deliver' call: make -sr in the module root (This will modify the solver). server3:tools server3$ make -sr [ build DEP ] LNK:Library/libtl.dylib [ build DEP ] LNK:Executable/sspretty [ build DEP ] LNK:Executable/rscdep [ build DEP ] LNK:Executable/mkunroll [ build LNK ] Library/libtl.dylib [ build LNK ] Executable/mkunroll [ build CXX ] tools/bootstrp/rscdep cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors /Users/server3/Documents/build31/main/tools/bootstrp/rscdep.cxx: In function 'int main(int, char**)': /Users/server3/Documents/build31/main/tools/bootstrp/rscdep.cxx:96: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 4 has type 'long int' /Users/server3/Documents/build31/main/tools/bootstrp/rscdep.cxx:266: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 2 has type 'sal_Int32' make: *** [/Users/server3/Documents/build31/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/workdir/CxxObject/tools/bootstrp/rscdep.o] Error 1 System Mac OS X 10.6 Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: On 11/15/11 6:46 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I have been mulling this over for a long time... Up to now, we have been reactionary. We have allowed others to control and distort the message, paint things as a us vs. them battle (simply to position themselves for personal gain in the whole debacle), and foster FUD to the clear harm of the ENTIRE OOo ecosystem. I think it's time that an Open Letter to the entire Open Office ecosystem (companies, entities, individuals, etc...) be drafted that sets the record straight. And I volunteer to drive this task... I think this is an excellent idea, this also fit's in plans to do an interim release OOo 3.3.1 release. We've just done with displaying the OOo readme file after 3.3.1 installation, this would be in ideal place for promoting such an Open Letter, Are you referring to plans from TeamOpenOffice.org e.V.? What is the current status of these? What is the plan for naming and branding? Perhaps you can update this community in a separate topic. Comments? Martin
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 15 November 2011 18:31, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Why the AL is important for such a standard such as Open Office and ODF; Hey, we can even quote Stallman there. I'm not sure I'm +1 on an open letter or not. I certainly like Rob's manifesto/top ten type idea. I'm not sure we need something that might be seen as aggressive, if the TDF as a whole really reacted the way we were told then such a letter may be seen as an attack on the TDF itself, rather than an attempt to address FUD from a few. I like the manifesto/top ten type idea, but I also feel the need for an Open Letter as well. For example, I have heard from reliable sources that some companies have been convinced that they should not donate any patches to AOOo and instead should donate them to another entity. An open letter could describe why this is harmful to the entire OOo ecosystem. Let's see how far the manifesto/top ten type idea goes and maybe I'll be appeased ;)
Re: Solve SVG visualization without cairo and librsvg
Hi eric, On 16.11.2011 07:30, eric b wrote: Le 11 nov. 11 à 11:27, Armin Le Grand a écrit : Hi *, Hi Armin, to keep all of you up to date, I'm making good progress with the planned svg replacement with an own interpreter. You mean you are implementing native svg inside OOo ? Exactly, and I'm making good progress. It's an interpreter which converts SVG to a sequence of primitives, the new graphic representations used internally for newest stuff. Due to the IP clearance process I have now prepared an early patch to [..] need) You are more than welcome. I'm not sure how do do that, though. Should I commit the current version in a branch already? It's not finished yet, not in a form to commit it to trunk completely. Thank you very much for your impressive work ! Regards, Eric
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On 16 November 2011 12:42, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 15 November 2011 18:31, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Why the AL is important for such a standard such as Open Office and ODF; Hey, we can even quote Stallman there. I'm not sure I'm +1 on an open letter or not. I certainly like Rob's manifesto/top ten type idea. I'm not sure we need something that might be seen as aggressive, if the TDF as a whole really reacted the way we were told then such a letter may be seen as an attack on the TDF itself, rather than an attempt to address FUD from a few. I like the manifesto/top ten type idea, but I also feel the need for an Open Letter as well. For example, I have heard from reliable sources that some companies have been convinced that they should not donate any patches to AOOo and instead should donate them to another entity. An open letter could describe why this is harmful to the entire OOo ecosystem. I think a key message related to that is that ASF wants the widest possible take up of products based on the Apache OpenOffice code base so that the ODF standard is strengthened across the whole ecosystem. I should think that simple message is enough to counter any others without upsetting anyone. Let's see how far the manifesto/top ten type idea goes and maybe I'll be appeased ;) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [code] main/dmake
Hi, I have a first version ready that works like outlined before. Details and the patch can be found in issue 108604 (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118604). I did not yet remove the internal dmake source code, yet. I would like to have the downloading and building better tested before removing it. Having no functioning dmake executable would be a very severe build breaker. I tested this on Windows and Linux with the source code package provided by Pedro (can be found at http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2) but I need help to test this more thoroughly. So, please apply the patch and play around with the --with-dmake-path and --with-dmake-url options. Best regards, Andre On 04.11.2011 16:38, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, our build tool dmake is licensed under GPL. Thus, it can not be part of our source releases. But, we can use it for building - as we are using the gcc compiler. Thus, I will move the dmake source folder from .../ooo/trunk/main/ to new folder .../ooo/buildtools/ in order to assure that everything under .../ooo/trunk/ can become part of our source release. In order to get our bootstrap process still working it needs some adaption: I am planning to introduce a configure option in order to provide manually the path to the source folder of the build tool dmake - something like with-dmake=$PATH to dmake folder. If this option is not used, the default path ../../buildtools/dmake/ - relative from folder main - will be taken. The configure will then check, if this folder exists - the manual given one or the default. The bootstrap process will then work with this path to create the build tool dmake. Any objections? Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [CODE]: 118605 remove epm?
On 11/15/11 5:00 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, i am currently trying to build with a system available epm tool. And i am right now building on a Ubuntu 11.10 with epm 4.2. Does anybody have built with a system epm on a Linux system? a short update on this topic. I was able to build an office on an Ubuntu 11.10 using the system epm tool 4.2. With disabling a packagepool process in instsetoo_native the build finished and i got my deb packages. The difference compared to an earlier build is that the package names has changed a little bit and that i have directories with the same name in the .../DEPS folder which were probably the base for the packages. But that is a minor issue i would say. Anyway the installed office works and i have not yet identified a real problem. But that was to easy and i expect more problems on other platforms. Solaris (that i can't build) and a rpm based Linux system, ... I am no expert in this packaging area on all the different systems and may be we lose the relocation feature or something else. So if anybody has deep knowledge with epm or packing of deb or rpm packages and is interested to help, please contact me. Any kind of help is appreciated. Juergen
Re: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand
b) Apache OpenOffice Marcus Am 11/10/2011 04:47 AM, schrieb Donald Harbison: As promised, here's the ballot. Choose one, cast your vote. If none of them get more than 50% of the binding votes, we will start a ballot for the top two contenders. a) Apache OpenOffice.org b) Apache OpenOffice c) Apache Open Office d) Apache Office The ballot is open for a full 7 day week closing 12:00 p.m. EST ( UTC - 5 ) on Wednesday, November 16, 2011.
[Discuss] Wiki licence
Hello, French users would be ready to publish on the Wiki. But which licence apply? This page is empty: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights Regards
Re: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Welcome newbie! I think there is definite interest in GUI testing via a Java library. I like Java over BASIC, certainly. And the idea of integrating the GUI tests into JUnit sounds very interesting. But unless there is any easy way to convert the existing Testtool scripts into Java, and someone volunteering to do this, this doesn't help with the short-term goals of testing the 3.4 code. But it could be very interesting longer term. Since the library drives automation in the openoffice process, it might be thought of as an extension. Is that your thinking? (I am thinking where it could be kept in the Apache project structure.) For contribution, there are a couple of steps to take. First, for this substantial work, an iCLA is required from you. Links to the iCLA can be found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas. The iCLA document includes instructions for where to send it. Some of your co-workers who have done this already. Hmmm if this was written as an employee, then the employer would own the copyright, yes? So an SGA would be required. And an iCLA as well for ongoing work on the component. Also, please check with your employer to ensure that there is approval for you to make this donation. Then next steps can be considered. If there are questions about preparation of a donation that you prefer to be private, please send your messages to ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:liu...@cn.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 18:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Anybody interested in TestTool? I wrote a Java lib to replace it. Hi all, Vcl TestTool is used by GUI automated testing for OpenOffice.org, but it has many drawbacks. Too many errors, difficult to debug, maintain and execute parallelly. I found many people mentioned this problem. Libreoffice has abondoned the tool. But I think GUI automated testing still is valuable. It can test the product more like the actual users. I has been working for long time on automated testing in Symphony project. I wrote a Java lib which can connect to the automation (automation module in source code) server in openoffice process and do GUI automated testing. The lib can be integrated with JUnit or other Java testing framework. Anybody interested in the lib? I can contribute it to community. Suggestion is welcome. PS, I am a newbie here. :-) Thanks. - Liu Zhe
Re: [code] main/dmake
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: By the way, the other archives that are downloaded during configure/setup have MD5 checksums. Can you add one to the dmake archive as well? This is rather weird as Google code uses SHA1. Anyways ... I updated the code with the OS/2 patch and you can get it here: http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/3dde16f772561bd4a02d02c73cb44b75-dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2 Also the code is now in SVN too (without history regrettably). cheers, Pedro.
Re: [code] main/dmake
On 16.11.2011 17:16, Pedro Giffuni wrote: --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Andre Fischera...@a-w-f.de wrote: By the way, the other archives that are downloaded during configure/setup have MD5 checksums. Can you add one to the dmake archive as well? This is rather weird as Google code uses SHA1. Anyways ... I updated the code with the OS/2 patch and you can get it here: http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/3dde16f772561bd4a02d02c73cb44b75-dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2 Great. Now I just have to figure out, how to use the MD5 checksum. You have to compare it to something that does not come from the download server. Also the code is now in SVN too (without history regrettably). For the configure/bootstrap process I will use the archive. That is easier to handle then checking out the code. Regards, Andre cheers, Pedro.
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On 11/16/11 1:15 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: On 11/15/11 6:46 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I have been mulling this over for a long time... Up to now, we have been reactionary. We have allowed others to control and distort the message, paint things as a us vs. them battle (simply to position themselves for personal gain in the whole debacle), and foster FUD to the clear harm of the ENTIRE OOo ecosystem. I think it's time that an Open Letter to the entire Open Office ecosystem (companies, entities, individuals, etc...) be drafted that sets the record straight. And I volunteer to drive this task... I think this is an excellent idea, this also fit's in plans to do an interim release OOo 3.3.1 release. We've just done with displaying the OOo readme file after 3.3.1 installation, this would be in ideal place for promoting such an Open Letter, Are you referring to plans from TeamOpenOffice.org e.V.? What is the current status of these? What is the plan for naming and branding? Perhaps you can update this community in a separate topic. removal of the Oracle branding is the easy part. As said before, having a joint messaging with ASF about this release and the future releases is some work to do. Adopting references from old OpenOffice.org instances (forums, mailing lists, issue tracking) to the new ones in the ReadMe File is another issue we are still working on. The coding work we've done in the 3.3.1 is about some security and bugfixing issues, Martin Comments? Martin
Re: [code] main/dmake
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: ... Great. Now I just have to figure out, how to use the MD5 checksum. You have to compare it to something that does not come from the download server. Hmm.. I thought you needed the checksum in the name. Perhaps you can use the standard 4.12.1 (just released)? I added the MD5 checksum to the description, but it doesnt make much sense to add another file for the checksum. The MD5 checksum is different because it now includes the version number in the root directory name. Let me know if there's anything else you need. Pedro.
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
Hi Martin; --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote: ... On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: ... What kind of a release are you talking about. OOo releases can only be made from the Apache Software Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream release that conforms to our trademark policy. Please let us know your plans. we're offering to provide an interim release of OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0 release from beginning of this year (with some known severe issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO. As much as we would like to do an interim release I am afraid there are issues that won't make it possible: - Apache releases have to be approved by the PPMC and can only be released under an Apache License. - The old OpenOffice.Org made available 3.4 RC, releasing 3.3.1 would not give the right signal wrt continuity. - The ASF, through the PPMC, cannot approve code that it hasn't seen and AFAICT Team OOo hasn't been very visible here in the community (sorry if I just missed it). This said, 3.4 is advancing very nicely. I don't want to hurry things but I think we are moving in the right direction. Pedro.
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi Martin; --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote: ... On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: ... What kind of a release are you talking about. OOo releases can only be made from the Apache Software Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream release that conforms to our trademark policy. Please let us know your plans. we're offering to provide an interim release of OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0 release from beginning of this year (with some known severe issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO. Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apache lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF. Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able to see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work. So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding work here, on the ooo-dev@ list. Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release. Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging questions you might have. - Shane As much as we would like to do an interim release I am afraid there are issues that won't make it possible: - Apache releases have to be approved by the PPMC and can only be released under an Apache License. - The old OpenOffice.Org made available 3.4 RC, releasing 3.3.1 would not give the right signal wrt continuity. - The ASF, through the PPMC, cannot approve code that it hasn't seen and AFAICT Team OOo hasn't been very visible here in the community (sorry if I just missed it). This said, 3.4 is advancing very nicely. I don't want to hurry things but I think we are moving in the right direction. Pedro.
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
I just want to make one observation that is critical to understanding how Apache projects work: On 2011-11-16 11:56 AM, Martin Hollmichel wrote: ...snip... The coding work we've done in the 3.3.1 is about some security and bugfixing issues, Martin I would strongly urge everyone here to read the brief Code of Conduct for Apache projects here: http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#NewbieFAQ-IsthereaCodeofConductforApacheprojects? In particular, the old saying that If it didn't happen on a mailing list, it didn't happen. is critically important to understand. I know that Martin and others have done a tremendous amount of work for the past OpenOffice.org project, and I bet that he and others will continue to create great code in the future OOo related ecosystem. However the comment above is quite disingenuous, given that none of that work (as far as I can tell) in terms of code or planning has been here on ooo-dev@. The Apache OpenOffice podling is truly happy to have people donate their work to the podling, and hopes more people will choose to contribute their work collaboratively here on the list. We are also - as all Apache projects are - happy to have third parties take the code we produce under our permissive Apache License and use it for virtually any purpose they wish. All that we ask when you take are code is that you follow the license, and that you respect our identity, brands, and trademarks. - Shane, mentor for AOO podling
Re: [API] Re: No addRow method in XGridDataModel interface in Oo 3.4 beta
Hi Fernand, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:35:35AM +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Ariel , As y do not know about C++ and Java i stick to Basic :-) Thanks (as always) for the knowledge ! BTW , I am interested in the Gridcontrol , because the Datasource browser is not working with a connection made using the DriverManger. oManager = CreateUnoService(com.sun.star.sdbc.DriverManager) oConn = oManager.getConnectionWithInfo(sURL, oParms()) When using the Database Context to get a connenction , the DataSourceBrowser is working, I am sure you can explain me why the DatasourceBrowser is not working with a connection made from the DriverManager ! How were you trying this? Were you trying to pass oConn as value for ActiveConnection when loading the DSB? According to the API scpec. http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdb/DataSourceBrowser.html the DSB does not accept an ActiveConnection, only these properties from the DataAccessDescriptor http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdb/DataAccessDescriptor.html are accepted: * DataAccessDescriptor::DataSourceName * DataAccessDescriptor::Command * DataAccessDescriptor::CommandType * optional DataAccessDescriptor::Selection * optional DataAccessDescriptor::BookmarkSelection * optional DataAccessDescriptor::ResultSet notice that the DataSourceName is not optional, and no ActiveConnection (== you have to give the name of a registered data source). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpuSKpo8NuJs.pgp Description: PGP signature
[VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand
Ballot: *http://s.apache.org/SXM* Voting is now closed. * http://s.apache.org/SXM**PPMC BALLOT RESULT* 14 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org: 40.00% 20 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice: 57.14% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office: 2.86% 35 TOTAL PPMC VOTES +++ *OVERALL BALLOT RESULTS* 30 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org : 43.48% 38 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice : 55.07% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office : 1.45% 0 TOTAL d : 0.00% 69 TOTAL VOTES *BALLOT DETAILS* a Kent Åberg : kentaberg a Joost Andrae a Miguel Ángel a Billy a Richard Clary a Danese Cooper : danese a Yuri Dario a Hagar Delest a FR web forum a Pedro Giffuni : pfg a Pavel Janík : paveljanik a Rory O'Farrell a Andrea Pescetti : pescetti a Marco A. G. Pinto a Nóirín Plunkett : noirin a RGB.ES http://rgb.es/ a Eric Bachard : ericb2 (ppmc) a Arthur Buijs : artietee (ppmc) a Alexandro Colorado : jza (ppmc) a Ariel Constenla-Haile : arielch (ppmc) a Thomas J. Frazier : tj (ppmc) a Kazunari Hirano : khirano (ppmc) a Drew Jensen : atjensen (ppmc) a Christoph Jopp : cjopp (ppmc) a Peter Junge : pj (ppmc) a Maho Nakata : maho (ppmc) a Manfred Reiter : fredao (ppmc) a Zoltán Reizinger : r4zoli (ppmc) a Kay Schenk : kschenk (ppmc) a 依瑪貓 : imacat (ppmc) b Shane Curcuru : curcuru b Andrew N. Dowden b Olaf Felka b Claudio F. Filho b Andre Fischer b Wolfram Garten b Román Hugo Gelbort : elproferoman b Gerardo Gómez b Christian Grobmeier : grobmeier b Larry Gusaas b Jan Jelowicki b Zhe Liu b Gavin McDonald b Louis Suárez-Potts : louis b Terry b Ji Yan b Shao Zhi Zhao b Hans Zybura b Dave Barton : bmcs (ppmc) b Raphael Bircher : rbircher (ppmc) b Herbert Dürr : hdu (ppmc) b David Fisher : wave (ppmc) b Dennis E. Hamilton : orcmid (ppmc) b Don Harbison : dpharbison (ppmc) b Marcus Lange : marcus (ppmc) b Armin Le Grand : alg (ppmc) b Ian Lynch : ingotian (ppmc) b Yong Lin Ma : mayongl (ppmc) b Carl Marcum : cmarcum (ppmc) b Ingrid von der Mehden : ingrid (ppmc) b Frank Thomas Peters : fpe (ppmc) b Allen Pulsifer : apulsifer (ppmc) b Andrew Rist : arist (ppmc) b Jürgen Schmidt : jsc (ppmc) b Jomar Silva : homembit (ppmc) b Jean Hollis Weber : jeanweber (ppmc) b Rob Weir : robweir (ppmc) b Oliver-Rainer Wittmann : orw (ppmc) c Wolf Halton : wolfhalton (ppmc)
[Patch]submit a patch to fix the issue - 115580.
Hi all, So far, I've just fixed a part of issue:115580, pasting text content from sc to sd, another part(pasting from sw to sd) have not finished yet, due to some problems of our company(maybe it's time to change my hat, ;-)hehe!). Right now I have no enough time to fix the rest part, but don't worry! later I will solve all problem related to the issue as soon as possible. As for this patch, is there any one to review it, and submit it to the trunk? Thanks in advance! The issue - 115580, its detailed information as follows: 1)Issue weblink - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=115580 2)Patch Name - Bug115580.diff 3)Patch weblink - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77026action=diff At last, I want to thank Raphael bircher for his help, and wish him all the best! Sincerely greetings, JingDong Chen 2011-11-17 Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd. Building No.2, Block A, Huilongsen, 18 Xihuan Nanlu Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area 100176 Beijing - P.R.China PostCode：100176 Tel: +86-10-51570010 ext. 6196 E-mail： chenjingd...@redoffice.com Website: http://www.redOffice.com
Heads up: KDE Crystal Icon set going away.
Hello; This one is a little more difficult than the Oxygen set because the details of the original commit are lost in CVS and the icons have been able to grow deeper roots. I tried to verify the origin and I traced those icons to: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=60434 Apparently they were partially JCA covered, for whatever that means. The good news is that in KDE my patch will replace them with the Tango icon set : http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Showroom which is already used in gnome, and that will ultimately make Apache OpenOffice more consistent in all desktop environments. I will commit the change tomorrow morning (ET) because I want to be awake in case a fix is needed. Pedro. ps. I am attaching the 4k patch but I doubt it pass through the mailing list.
RE: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums
orcmid comments=in-line / -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 19:56 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: Blog Draft: OpenOffice.org Migration -- The Community Forums Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Nice effort put into this. Some grammar-weenie-ings and thoughts... -- including of ones own posts should be including of one's own posts. orcmid I'm certain this's right. I had to look to be sure, and learn that the rule about possessive pronouns and its just doesn't apply here. Thanks for the catch. Fixed. /orcmid -- Forum operation More-experienced should be Forum operation. More-experienced. orcmid The second missing . - I think I'm wearing out my keyboard. /orcmid -- The Forums embrace all of the descendants of the original StarOffice/OpenOffice.org that have become siblings in the OpenOffice.org galaxy. Tips and solutions in the use of one release are often useful to users of a product cousin having the same feature. Given descendants and siblings, what is a cousin? Is this a term of art[1]? Does it refer to a branch within OOo, or a branch outside of OOo such as LO? We've learned that peers is a term that works with LO. I would suggest that or related. This way no one will get hung up on relational distance and who is the black sheep of the family. orcmid Thanks Dave and Don. I was working too hard to avoid repetitions of words. Peers works fine, especially since it recognizes equal standing. Good one. /orcmid Regards, Dave -- The OpenOffice.org Community Forums are one way that the Web connects users of OpenOffice.org-related products. There are additional communities across the Internet with similar concerns as well as different specialties. These can employ mailing lists, Internet news groups, and other web-based forums. The Web and search engines bring the different resources of these communities into the reach of each other and users everywhere. The OpenOffice.org Community Forums are now continuing as a substantial resource of that extended community. Not sure this paragraph is as useful as a statement that URLs have been preserved to keep existing search-engine repositories useful, which the next two paragraphs come close to saying. On the other hand, it might look good on a Where to Get Help page on the site. orcmid Funny. I wasn't thinking of maintaining location for search engines at all, but for the preservation of deep linking and ability of individuals to find things where they expected. It also preserved integration from forums to materials referenced elsewhere in the site, but that was probably not going to be an issue. I've added two sentences to the final paragraph to be more emphatic about why preserved locations are important. Thanks Donald, that's a big deal that should not be overlooked. /orcmid -- Closing paragraph? Something along the lines of, See? Wasn't that cool? Or alternately, Y'all come! orcmid Uh, I want to pass on this one. It seems completely out of harmony with the voice and tone of the preceding material. /orcmid? Don [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_art smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
CodeCoverage
Hi, Newbie question here - what code coverage tools are recommended for use with OpenOffice? I need to find out the code coverage when certain menus and buttons on the Writer GUI are used. So far I've tried building (I'm working with the OOO330_m20 build on Ubuntu 10.04) with gcov flags set, but I've been running into issues with the build failing at some module. Thanks, Wikum
[Patch]submit a patch to fix the issue - 115580.
Hi all, So far, I've just fixed a part of issue:115580, pasting text content from sc to sd, another part (pasting from sw to sd) has not finished yet, due to some problems of our company(maybe it's time to change my hat, ;-)hehe!). Right now I have no enough time to fix the rest part, but don't worry! later I will solve all problem related to the issue as soon as possible. As for this patch, is there any one to review it, and submit it to the trunk? Thanks in advance! The issue - 115580, its detailed information as follows: 1)Issue weblink - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=115580 2)Patch Name - Bug115580.diff 3)Patch weblink - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77026action=diff At last, I want to thank Raphael bircher for his help, and wish him all the best! Sincerely greetings, JingDong Chen 2011-11-17 Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd. Building No.2, Block A, Huilongsen, 18 Xihuan Nanlu Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area 100176 Beijing - P.R.China PostCode：100176 Tel: +86-10-51570010 ext. 6196 E-mail： chenjingd...@redoffice.com Website: http://www.redOffice.com
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand
That's the tally. What's the result? Donald Harbison wrote on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:21:19 -0500: Ballot: *http://s.apache.org/SXM* Voting is now closed. * http://s.apache.org/SXM**PPMC BALLOT RESULT* 14 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org: 40.00% 20 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice: 57.14% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office: 2.86% 35 TOTAL PPMC VOTES +++ *OVERALL BALLOT RESULTS* 30 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org : 43.48% 38 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice : 55.07% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office : 1.45% 0 TOTAL d : 0.00% 69 TOTAL VOTES
Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi Martin; --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote: ... On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: ... What kind of a release are you talking about. OOo releases can only be made from the Apache Software Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream release that conforms to our trademark policy. Please let us know your plans. we're offering to provide an interim release of OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0 release from beginning of this year (with some known severe issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO. Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apache lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF. Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able to see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work. So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding work here, on the ooo-dev@ list. Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release. Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging questions you might have. What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project, but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people involved. The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software Foundation. The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project. I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly respectful actions beforehand. Regards, Dave - Shane As much as we would like to do an interim release I am afraid there are issues that won't make it possible: - Apache releases have to be approved by the PPMC and can only be released under an Apache License. - The old OpenOffice.Org made available 3.4 RC, releasing 3.3.1 would not give the right signal wrt continuity. - The ASF, through the PPMC, cannot approve code that it hasn't seen and AFAICT Team OOo hasn't been very visible here in the community (sorry if I just missed it). This said, 3.4 is advancing very nicely. I don't want to hurry things but I think we are moving in the right direction. Pedro.
