Re: Marketing events: Brochure? Newsletter?

[Nancy K]

Hi! I have been keeping up with the discussions, but unable to participate much 
lately, unfortunately.  In the marketing department, is there a newsletter or 
brochure that could be distributed at any event?  

I am thinking that a design could be approved, then placed on the website so 
that anyone representing Apache OpenOffice could print it out. This might be an 
example of a way to fund an event - using funds for the paper and ink or 
professional printing.  The vote to offer funds for an event could be proposed 
for approval or disapproval.  If approved the design posted could be in a file 
format that could be printed directly or sent to a printer.


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 From: Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Marketing events
 
Hi

I'm from Brazil and there various events: FISL, LatinoWare, Revista
Espirito Livre and others spread throughout BR.

You could have a fund for member official AOO, so you can attend the
AOO speaking, lecturing, talking etc.. But this must be carefully
discussed.

This member can attend these events that have availability and time
available. It'll be like us, being voluntary, but that talk of AOO
events.

Albino

Re: T-Shirt for the Apache OpenOffice Project

[Nancy K]

Would the same trademark problems exist if a custom flash drive was made using 
the OpenOffice orb with seagull logo? I am thinking that this might be a 
take-away promotion as folks would use this on their computer - if it is 
affordable.  It might be less expensive - possibly with a 
custom lanyard. Something like :
http://www.memorysuppliers.com/cuusbfldr.html

http://www.memorysuppliers.com/custom-usb-flash-drive-shapes.html



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 From: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: T-Shirt for the Apache OpenOffice Project
 
+1 T-shirts are a a cheap but effective way to motivate committers.



- Original Message -
...
 
 Hi at all
 
 At the old OOo project, we have had T-Shirts. There was existing many 
 different 
 versions of OOo shirts. Moastly they was payed, designed and distributed by 
 one 
 of the OOo related associations. Same Country have had also Fan Shirts wich 
 are 
 selled by OOo related NGO's. One T-Shirt was donated by SUN Microsystems. To 
 have a T-Shirt is a nice thing, if you go to represent AOO at a Event. The 
 old 
 shirts are compleetly outdated. (the old dark blue logo and a logo from a 
 company who is no longer existent) I realy like to have a new Shirt. 
 Samething 
 like a Committer Shirt, what you think about?
 
 But there are different problems. Since we have not  our own monay at Apache, 
 it's hard to solve the payment question. As far as I know, it's not 
 allowd to put a sponsor on the shirt. I think you hit Traidmarke Issues from 
 the 
 ASF with it. And a Shirt will cost money. Maybe we can offer the Sponsor a 
 Blog 
 Post.
 
 The other topic is to distribute the Shirt all over the world. I realy like 
 the 
 Idea, but I'm simply on the wrong place to do samething like that. 
 Switzerland is one of the moast expensive country in the world. Yes, I can do 
 it 
 from here, but finaly, it costs a load more then from a other country.
 
 I would realy like to have one for the ApacheCon Europe
 
 What do you think about?
 
 Greetings Raphael
 
 
 -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/

Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)

[Nancy K]

Drew,
Can you align the word Media over a notch so it lines up with the words below?  
I think you will have a stronger look - as it will create that imaginary left 
line.  This looks great - you have an eye for professional high quality!
Nancy
PS I was going to tackle the poster, but it is the last minute - I liked 
everything in your poster but did agree that the white shadow on the word 
processor, spreadsheet, vector drawing, etc. was hard to read.  Have you tried 
it with a grey or black drop shadow instead of white? I think it would stand 
out clearer.  What font style are you using?
 
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 From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)
 
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 11:11 +0100, sebb wrote:
 On 13 June 2012 01:33, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
  On 12 June 2012 22:34, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 18:48 -0400, drew wrote:
   I would like to propose that we treat the 13th of the month as our 1st
   Anniversary and would like to do the following for the occasion:
  
   snip
  
   I would like to release two CD iso images, Windows and Mac on the 13th
   of this month.
  
  
  
   Howdy,
  
   Alright - well, cutting it right down to the end on time here.
  
   I just want to be sure, as I'm not sure this is right branding wise - if
   you anyone sees a problem with this let me know, I don't mind re-working
   things. I also won't be offended if anyone says hold up..
  
   Here is the final cut on five items:
  
   A disk label:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
  
   Envelope/Sleeve cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
  
   Cut/Fold Envelope:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
  
   CD/DVD tall case cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-dvd-case-win.png
  
   A4 poster:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/freeyourself.png
  
   I have a few hours ahead of me before I button this iso image up, if you
   see some glaring problem I missed do please yell.
 
  The only possible problem I see is the text
 
  MS Windows
  XP, Vista, Win 7
  (c) 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
  Should MS be spelt in full?
  Microsoft and Windows are both registered trademarks.
 
  Just space requirements..
 
 All the software packages I have seen which target Windows either omit
 Microsoft or spell it out in full.
 AFAIK MS is not an official abbreviation for Microsoft; they may not
 be too happy.
 
 
  Also, when I first saw this, I briefly thought that the (c) statement
  applied to the content.
  In fact I'm not sure what the (c) does apply to.
  I suspect it should be removed.
 
  Hi Sebb,
 
  It should be a registered trademark glyph, there was a mistake earlier
  today and you may just need do a cache refresh.
 
 I can see the (R) now, however it is not appropriately used.
 
 AFAIK, the terms that are registered are
 
 Microsoft
 Windows
 Vista
 
 So the block should be:
 
 Microsoft (R) Windows (R)
 XP, Vista (R), Win 7
 
 (or is it called Windows 7?)
 
 It might be OK to omit the (R) after Vista.
 
 The following line is misleading and should be removed:
 
 (R) 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
 Have a look at some other recent products that are designed
 for/support Windows and see what they do.

Actually I had seen it used on a package, though not with the
abbreviation and it doesn't make it right per se, anyway..I suppose

So - acted on Alexandro's comments and yours, and as usual, listening
does end up with a better result...updated the file here
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png

//drew

Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)

[Nancy K]

Hi Drew and all,
Here is a quick jpg look at the poster Drew designed using a dark drop shadow 
instead of the white shadow on the features.  I also placed the features in 
line with the lower text.  I think I like Drew's large heading font better than 
the Bitstream Vera Sans that I used throughout.  
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 From: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)
 
Drew,
Can you align the word Media over a notch so it lines up with the words below?  
I think you will have a stronger look - as it will create that imaginary left 
line.  This looks great - you have an eye for professional high quality!
Nancy
PS I was going to tackle the poster, but it is the last minute - I liked 
everything in your poster but did agree that the white shadow on the word 
processor, spreadsheet, vector drawing, etc. was hard to read.  Have you tried 
it with a grey or black drop shadow instead of white? I think it would stand 
out clearer.  What font style are you using?
 
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From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)

On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 11:11 +0100, sebb wrote:
 On 13 June 2012 01:33, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
  On 12 June 2012 22:34, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 18:48 -0400, drew wrote:
   I would like to propose that we treat the 13th of the month as our 1st
   Anniversary and would like to do the following for the occasion:
  
   snip
  
   I would like to release two CD iso images, Windows and Mac on the 13th
   of this month.
  
  
  
   Howdy,
  
   Alright - well, cutting it right down to the end on time here.
  
   I just want to be sure, as I'm not sure this is right branding wise - if
   you anyone sees a problem with this let me know, I don't mind re-working
   things. I also won't be offended if anyone says hold up..
  
   Here is the final cut on five items:
  
   A disk label:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
  
   Envelope/Sleeve cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
  
   Cut/Fold Envelope:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
  
   CD/DVD tall case cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-dvd-case-win.png
  
   A4 poster:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/freeyourself.png
  
   I have a few hours ahead of me before I button this iso image up, if you
   see some glaring problem I missed do please yell.
 
  The only possible problem I see is the text
 
  MS Windows
  XP, Vista, Win 7
  (c) 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
  Should MS be spelt in full?
  Microsoft and Windows are both registered trademarks.
 
  Just space requirements..
 
 All the software packages I have seen which target Windows either omit
 Microsoft or spell it out in full.
 AFAIK MS is not an official abbreviation for Microsoft; they may not
 be too happy.
 
 
  Also, when I first saw this, I briefly thought that the (c) statement
  applied to the content.
  In fact I'm not sure what the (c) does apply to.
  I suspect it should be removed.
 
  Hi Sebb,
 
  It should be a registered trademark glyph, there was a mistake earlier
  today and you may just need do a cache refresh.
 
 I can see the (R) now, however it is not appropriately used.
 
 AFAIK, the terms that are registered are
 
 Microsoft
 Windows
 Vista
 
 So the block should be:
 
 Microsoft (R) Windows (R)
 XP, Vista (R), Win 7
 
 (or is it called Windows 7?)
 
 It might be OK to omit the (R) after Vista.
 
 The following line is misleading and should be removed:
 
 (R) 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
 Have a look at some other recent products that are designed
 for/support Windows and see what they do.

Actually I had seen it used on a package, though not with the
abbreviation and it doesn't make it right per se, anyway..I suppose

So - acted on Alexandro's comments and yours, and as usual, listening
does end up with a better result...updated the file here
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png

//drew

Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)

[Nancy K]

Sorry for not posting the link - here it is 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/freeyourself_PosterB.jpg 


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 From: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Nancy K 
nancythirt...@yahoo.com 
Cc: d...@baseanswers.com d...@baseanswers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)
 

Hi Drew and all,
Here is a quick jpg look at the poster Drew designed using a dark drop shadow 
instead of the white shadow on the features.  I also placed the features in 
line with the lower text.  I think I like Drew's large heading font better than 
the Bitstream Vera Sans that I used throughout.  
Nancy

 
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 From: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)
 
Drew,
Can you align the word Media over a notch so it lines up with the words below?  
I think you will have a stronger look - as it will create that imaginary left 
line.  This looks great - you have an eye for professional high quality!
Nancy
PS I was going to tackle the poster, but it is the last minute - I liked 
everything in your poster but did agree that the white shadow on the word 
processor, spreadsheet, vector drawing, etc. was hard to read.  Have you tried 
it with a grey or black drop shadow instead of white? I think it would stand 
out clearer.  What font style are you using?
 
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From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)

On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 11:11 +0100, sebb wrote:
 On 13 June 2012 01:33, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:28 +0100, sebb wrote:
  On 12 June 2012 22:34, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 18:48 -0400, drew wrote:
   I would like to propose that we treat the 13th of the month as our 1st
 
  Anniversary and would like to do the following for the occasion:
  
   snip
  
   I would like to release two CD iso images, Windows and Mac on the 13th
   of this month.
  
  
  
   Howdy,
  
   Alright - well, cutting it right down to the end on time here.
  
   I just want to be sure, as I'm not sure this is right branding wise - if
   you anyone sees a problem with this let me know, I don't mind re-working
   things. I also won't be offended if anyone says hold up..
  
   Here is the final cut on five items:
  
   A disk label:
  
 http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
  
   Envelope/Sleeve cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
  
   Cut/Fold Envelope:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
  
   CD/DVD tall case cover:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-dvd-case-win.png
  
   A4 poster:
   http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/freeyourself.png
  
   I have a few hours ahead of me before I button this iso image up, if you
   see some glaring problem I missed do please yell.
 
  The only possible problem I see is the text
 
  MS Windows
  XP, Vista, Win 7
  (c)
 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
  Should MS be spelt in full?
  Microsoft and Windows are both registered trademarks.
 
  Just space requirements..
 
 All the software packages I have seen which target Windows either omit
 Microsoft or spell it out in full.
 AFAIK MS is not an official abbreviation for Microsoft; they may not
 be too happy.
 
 
  Also, when I first saw this, I briefly thought that the (c) statement
  applied to the content.
  In fact I'm not sure what the (c) does apply to.
  I suspect it should be removed.
 
  Hi Sebb,
 
  It should be a registered trademark glyph, there was a mistake earlier
  today and you may just need do a cache refresh.
 
 I can see the (R) now, however it is not
 appropriately used.
 
 AFAIK, the terms that are registered are
 
 Microsoft
 Windows
 Vista
 
 So the block should be:
 
 Microsoft (R) Windows (R)
 XP, Vista (R), Win 7
 
 (or is it called Windows 7?)
 
 It might be OK to omit the (R) after Vista.
 
 The following line is misleading and should be removed:
 
 (R) 2012 Microsoft Corporation
 
 Have a look at some other recent products that are designed
 for/support Windows and see what they do.

Actually I had seen it used on a package, though not with the
abbreviation and it doesn't make it right per se, anyway..I suppose

So

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

[Nancy K]

Rob,
Hi! This looks so good! I do have some suggestions.  
1. ' send a request to the ooo-dev mailing list and we can make a 
translated version for you. ' takes you to the page of MANY mailing lists.  I 
can see someone getting overwhelmed here.  People are not going to scroll too 
far down that list - maybe a direct link to the page for translations without 
all of the choices - or - place a quick link button for Translations at the top 
of the mailing list page?

2. Items 2, 3 and 4 talk about the means for linking the logo - I 
really like the yellow example below this (including the alt!) - could this be 
placed above 2,3 and 4 as simply 'Here is a copy/paste link to use.  If you do 
not use this copy/past link and want to personalize it further, these are the 
rules you must follow: (insert 2,3,4)'  I think this would encourage the 
copy/paste (with the alt for SEO!)- and it offers an easy copy/paste connection 
for those that are not into coding - but want a quick link.
Also, could the Image link include an alt=Download Apache OpenOffice 
here that would help - currently it is img style=-webkit-user-select:none; 
src=http://incubator.apache.org/openoffficeorg/images/get-it-here/en.png; /
 
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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-market...@incubator.apache.org 
Cc: tradema...@apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program
 
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to
 add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it.  These
 range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate
 download links for many open source projects.

 Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
 to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
 Branding.

 I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket
 permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo
 (the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation.  If
 there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from
 Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website.


Here is the new page on the website. (It is not linked to from anywhere yet)

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html

I'd like to kick this off with a blog post in the next week or so.  So
if anyone sees anything urgently wrong, please speak up now.

 =Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

 Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
 following logo subject to the following conditions:

 The logo:  
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

 [NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

 Conditions:

 1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it.  If translations
 of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
 list and we can provide a translated version for you.

 2. The image must be linked to one of:

 a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage
 b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g.,
 http://de.openoffice.org
 c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice:
 http://download.openoffice.org or
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

 3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror.  This
 causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
 users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

 4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
 program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[Nancy K]

I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya 
Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use it as 
you see fit.  If you need an email consent or something, I can get that as well 
from her. What do you think?
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg 

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 From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
 
On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:23 -0400, drew wrote:

snip

  We've certainly given permission in the past for CD use of name and
  logo, generally asking for attribution, a link back to the project,
  etc.  I think the most recent approved request was from Hirano-san.
  
  So this would not be an official Apache release, but more like a remix
  of our AOO 3.4 release.   We could include something like this in
  future releases, but I suspect the CD label itself commonly needs to
  be customized on a per-event basis.
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 Well - right.. here is the MS Windows label at the moment:
 http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
 
 so I'm assuming this is much to generic for everyone's liking, yes, and
 now I would need to make it clearly tied to something other (not the
 main project in other words)


and here is the latest sleeve (for windows again):
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png

Not really that hot on it - but there it is, off to the next file.


 
 //drew
 
 
 

snip

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[Nancy K]

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg or
 on this page - I wasn't sure where to place it for your use
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834929highlight=CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg#Application+Branding-attachment-CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg

 
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 From: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
 
I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya 
Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use it as 
you see fit.  If you need an email consent or something, I can get that as well 
from her. What do you think?
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg 

Nancy
 
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From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:23 -0400, drew wrote:

snip

  We've certainly given permission in the past for CD use of name and
  logo, generally asking for attribution, a link back to the project,
  etc.  I think the most recent approved request was from Hirano-san.
  
  So this would not be an official Apache release, but more like a remix
  of our AOO 3.4 release.   We could include something like this in
  future releases, but I suspect the CD label itself commonly needs to
  be customized on a per-event basis.
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 Well - right.. here is the MS Windows label at the moment:
 http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
 
 so I'm assuming this is much to generic for everyone's liking, yes, and
 now I would need to make it clearly tied to something other (not the
 main project in other words)


and here is the latest sleeve (for windows again):
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png

Not really that hot on it - but there it is, off to the next file.


 
 //drew
 
 
 

snip

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[Nancy K]

Drew - 
Thoughts about content: the missing comma or colon after Math on the CD sleeve. 
 Draw - possible changing the 'to' to 'or Dynamic 3D presentations';Possibly on 
Base - manipulate data from anywhere inside the suite?

BTW I love the curve of darker and lighter backgrounds!
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 From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com 
Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
 
On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:35 -0700, Nancy K wrote:
 I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya 
 Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use it 
 as you see fit.  If you need an email consent or something, I can get that as 
 well from her. What do you think?
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg
  
 

Hi Nancy

Thanks - I'll see if there is something I can do with that.

OK - I've updated all three pieces 
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png

will leave these as is for now - any ideas on better content, etc.
appreciated.

Off to work on a brochure spiff up then..

//drew

snip

Re: Sneak Peek video: Symphony contribution - clipart

[Nancy K]

Drew this is WONDERFUL! Thanks for something I can pass along to friends that 
they can understand - those using OpenOffice, or those that have never heard of 
it.  

I liked the birds flying, and ready for takeoff...as a retired Air Traffic 
Controller, 'Ready for departure' and 'Cleared for takeoff' would be proper FAA 
phraseology...but I am the only one that would notice. :

Your presentation is a great - it made me want to jump in and start designing 
something.  I think that telling people 'its a free office suite' leaves a kind 
of glazed look - but actually SEEING that it is something people can use right 
away is a great call to action. 

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 From: drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: Sneak Peek video: Symphony contribution - clipart
 
Howdy,

Put together a quick 2 minutes video about the Lotus Symphony
contribution, specific to a non-code piece, the gallery components.

http://bit.ly/K8jRpD 

Comments/suggestions are welcome, as is sharing of course. 

Thanks,

//drew

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

[Nancy K]

Hi all,

Is there an alt description that can be added to the image link?  Search 
engines aren't smart enough to 'read' a picture/image - so the text within the 
picture makes no difference to the ranking - that is where the 'alt' 
description in the image source (src) comes in to play. This also allows 
OpenOffice to place the kind of information they want the search engines to 
rank all within the link - which adds to SEO trust.
img src= 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000 ;
 width=300 height=100alt=Free complete Open Office official download site 
/ (The words you use are BEST after a keyword research - after that Google 
analytics takes place for awhile - I just placed a suggestion here). 

When a search engine sees alt descriptions such as 'get itfree' or 'try it 
free' (the current MS download trial button alt words) - they are missing out 
on the benefits of added SEO.  The search engines that read 'try openoffice 
now' where openoffice replaces 'it' are small but important ways to add to seo 
page ranking. You can write 'get it here' on the website, just code the img 
src= alt=something that says openoffice



I checked some of the back links to openoffice.org by typing the following into 
the Google Search box.  Taking the links should send you to the page that 
includes a link to openoffice.org(using openoffice.org here - but any page you 
want to check works).  The page has some options listed on the left - but the 
filter doesn't seem as good as the one you get in Google Analytics


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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Cc: tradema...@apache.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program
 
We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to
add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it.  These
range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate
download links for many open source projects.

Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
Branding.

I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket
permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo
(the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation.  If
there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from
Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website.

=Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
following logo subject to the following conditions:

The logo:  
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

[NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

Conditions:

1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it.  If translations
of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
list and we can provide a translated version for you.

2. The image must be linked to one of:

a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage
b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g.,
http://de.openoffice.org
c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice:
http://download.openoffice.org or
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror.  This
causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

Re: I want to stay informed about OpenOffice option for the home page?

[Nancy K]

Hi!
I like what Drew has! I found a link with newspaper icons and there is one that 
might fit quickly with his drawings - the envelope open with a news headline 
coming out of the envelope.  All of these icons claim to be free according to 
the top of the 
page. http://vectormadness.com/download/newspaper-icon-vector-7904.html#

For more presentations - there is a newspaper headline/article generator that I 
have used in the past - and a  billboard generator that I have not used, but 
looked nice:

Newspaper generator - fill in your information, generate the paper (it will be 
as long as your text) and then take the link below your generated newspaper to 
save the image to your 
computer: http://www.fodey.com/generators/newspaper/snippet.asp

Billboard generator: http://www.makesweet.com/billboard/

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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: I want to stay informed about OpenOffice option for the home 
page?
 
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:22 PM, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-05-05 at 03:19 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
 Am 05/05/2012 12:49 AM, schrieb drew:
  On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 17:42 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
  On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com  wrote:
  snip
 
 
 
  I tried rendering the SVG at 50x50 and nothing comes through.  I think
  we need something much simpler.  I'll look around.
 
 
 
  I also noticed now that the exiting art work is 50x500 pixels.  They
  have two versions of each icon, one for the mouse over where they
  darken the image a bit.  Clever, but more work for producing new
  icons.
 
  Well, how about:
  http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/keep-in-touch_aoo.png
 
  for a mashup approach.

 Also very preasant. However, don't you think it is too high compared
 with the other icons?

 Is it? I put one of other images up next to it, and brought the top
 (G+) button up to match the top (the extension jigsaw puzzle piece) -
 but I did not try using it on a mockup page, so it could be.


Hi Drew,

I did a local build of the website, with your logo in it.  Good news
is you have the alignment of the normal and hover versions perfect.
So it works well in that regard.

But we're only getting a partial render in each state.  I see the g+
icon and 90% of the Twitter fish.  Now, we could muck around with the
CSS to show more of that, but that would expand the entire block for
that item and put the page out of balance, IMHO.

Ideally I think we want to have this icon use the same vertical space
as the other icons, i.e., the same visible space, not just the same
total 500px space.   We have a similar constraint on horizontal size,
in order to preserve the text alignment.

I wonder if a newspaper icon would work in this context?  Keep
informed, announcements, news, etc.

-Rob


 //drew


 Marcus

Re: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data

[Nancy K]

These are wonderful ideas! If the person that installs OpenOffice gets a thank 
you notice PLUS links to help customize their experience - i.e. template links, 
etc.   Everyone likes to personalize - and it also leaves a good feeling when 
you get an unexpected bonus. 

I have an idea for a thank you design or maybe an email design - tell me what 
you think:
* An international envelope design - 
* 
http://www.123rf.com/photo_4088994_airmail-letter-with-uk-postage-meter-stamp.html
* 
http://www.123rf.com/photo_9237063_blank-air-mail-letter-from-ivory-coast-with-football-world-cup-stamp-on-it-cancelled-in-agboville.html (using
 the wings and OpenOffice in place of the plane and par avion )

* The Apache OpenOffice logo on a stamp outline (similar to this but 
without any particular 
country)http://www.123rf.com/photo_12662325_photo-postage-stamp-on-a-black-background.html
* Javascript or php enabled entries so that the user WANTS to fill out 
the form - I very much like this example - scroll down halfway and look at this 
comment box that lets the user fill out the name, etc. This is a lot more 
talent than I have, but the general 
idea http://www.livingdesign.info/2012/04/30/incept-by-alex-teuscher/#respond  

Since you mention meta data, is there any organic SEO research going on at this 
time?  If so, I would suggest providing any information compiled from this new 
form/page, old openoffice.org audience information plus any new information 
gained from Google (and other) analytics in one wiki. Possibly a future/current 
SEO page?  Knowing how the user found OpenOffice would help in organic SEO 
keyword research. This could help us design new landing pages. Keyword research 
would also reveal the words to be placed strategically in articles, blogs and 
the 'alt' section/title/heading tags of the html code. 

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 From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
 
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
 2012/5/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com:
  On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:29 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
  2012/5/3 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:
   On 03/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
  
   One thing we don't have any more is that registration dialog from
   OpenOffice.org.   Does anyone recall what that used to do?
  
  
   If I recall correctly, in different periods it was used for a user survey
   (and this would be a meaningful suggestion for the future maybe), for
   registering accounts at Sun and for registering accounts at Oracle.
  
   You can get an idea of the survey at
   http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey
  
   Regards,
    Andrea.
 
  It was also used to register the user with him/herself: The
  registration process helped the user to fill the fields under Tools →
  Options → OpenOffice.org → User data. Now, for most new users that
  info will remain empty. While not a problem by itself, this means for
  example that documents will always open on the first page and not on
  the last edited point, because the user data do not match the document
  author.
 
  Regards
 
  Hi Ricardo
 
  That is a very good point IMO. I think it's fair to look at that as the
  loss of an, optional, feature - this step of entering user information.
 
  I'm tempted to ask you to use the issue tracker, entering the
  description and marking the issue as Request for Enhancement.
 
  Not that we should have the on-line registration, but rather to add a
  (strong?) prompt during installation, with the intent to have the user
  enter that information.
 
  What do you think?
 
  //drew
 
 
 
 Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
 a first run wizard or something like that. It could be a simple
 document that opens on first run with a thanks for using this
 program message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
 customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
 today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
 something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
 
 Regards

Howdy Ricardo

Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).

I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
start with.

Catch you later,

//drew

Re: [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - Story tellers wanted

[Nancy K]

Kevin
I like this idea a lot and am interested in being involved in this approach if 
possible.  The few months I have read mail posts between the developers in this 
project have been such an eye opener.  I have never seen a group of peers work 
so beautifully together.  I get the sense of 'family' - only better. I look 
forward to hearing more of your ideas!
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 From: Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - Story tellers wanted
 
Hello everyone,

Thanks for your interest in this approach. I will captures some thoughts on
how we might consider proceeding and share with the group shortly.

In the interim, I encourage you to think about the protagonist in our
story: the AOO users. Who are they? What do they desire? What is important
to them? How does AOO integrate into their lives?

Regards,
Kevin
*

*
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi.

 2012/5/2 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com

  Do you like to write and tell stories? Do you want to bring an Apple-like
  approach to designing our products? AOO UX could use your support.
 
  To better understand how people integrate our product into their lives,
 the
  UX sub-community is looking to author a series of stories and usage
  scenarios.
 
  The goal is to understand how people use AOO, and how they want it to
  compliment their physical and virtual realities.
 
  Thoughts? Interested?
 

 Good idea !

 I have interested in writer aoo in pt-br, for future. ;)

 Best,
 Albino

Re: Happy Birthday, OpenOffice!

[Nancy K]

Golly, a BIRTHDAY - I downloaded a free trial Illustrator and worked this up 
really quickly.  It just didn't seem right not to attempt something for a 10 
year old! I read that Apache celebrated their birthday in February (born 1995)
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/OpenOfficeBookCover_A.svg 

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 From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, OpenOffice!
 
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Anyone remember what happen 10 years ago today  April 30th, 2002?

 http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/ooo_release.html

 And today the vote to approve the Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release ends.

 OpenOffice.org 1.0 took the community 18 months to produce.   AOO 3.4
 was a fast effort, in comparison.

 Here's to the next decade of OpenOffice!


Absolutely, we're just getting started.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.


 -Rob

Ref cover sheet attempt and Happy Birthday, OpenOffice!

[Nancy K]

 



Golly, a BIRTHDAY - I downloaded a free trial Illustrator and worked this up 
really quickly.  It just didn't seem right not to attempt something for a 10 
year old! I read that Apache celebrated their birthday in February (born 1995)
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/OpenOfficeBookCover_A.svg 

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 From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, OpenOffice!
 
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Anyone remember what happen 10 years ago today  April 30th, 2002?

 http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/ooo_release.html

 And today the vote to approve the Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release ends.

 OpenOffice.org 1.0 took the community 18 months to produce.   AOO 3.4
 was a fast effort, in comparison.

 Here's to the next decade of OpenOffice!


Absolutely, we're just getting started.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.


 -Rob

Re: Pinterest

[Nancy K]

I am excited about using this too! You mentioned using something fun or funny 
to promote this on YouTube - the video could have a pin on Pinterest as well.  
What about a title like 'Apache road to Open Office' with a picture of a road 
full of patchesor...some picture of a popular scene in an old movie, or a 
popular actor/actress with a close--up funny expression and a few words 
watermarked on the picture - someone famous and funny (not political) could 
draw attention.

The webinar I attended is free and will repeat next week - you have to sign up 
beforehand to get access. The webinar is essentially a teaser for a class that 
they want you to purchase - but you might like the insight it presented as well.
http://smmulive.com/pinterest-webinar/?utm_source=zinutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=20120424 



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 From: Xia Zhao lilyzh...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pinterest
 
Nancy,

I like your idea very much! Currently Pinterest is very popular in Social
media and Social business in the world. More and more enterprise, community
etc use it to promote their product and business. Surely we can use it to
promote AOO 3.4 and further release.

I am writing one paper about From Social Media to Social Business these
days and is thinking how to promote AOO to the world except for the ways we
used before. Except Pinterest, Youtube is one good way we can use, I
suggest we record some video to doom AOO 3.4 and do something  funny about
the release etc. And promote it to Youtube.

We may work together. And anyone else has interesting? With AOO 3.4 is
released I suppose we should have some promotion activities.

Best regards,

Lily

2012/4/26 Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com

 Hi!
 I attended an hour webinar highlighting the use of Pinterest for
 businesses - B2C, B2B and also personal.  I learned that in less than a
 year, this social media format has surpassed youtube, google+, linkedin -
 and is now number 3 in usage under facebook and twitter (not sure which one
 of the latter is first).

 Terminology - PINS are images that you post on your BOARDS - like you
 would post picture cards on an office bulletin board.  The thing is that
 pins can be linked to a landing page, folks can 'REPIN' your pin (with its
 image and links) to their own Boards.  They can 'like', 'comment', REPIN.

 I can imagine ways that this could be used - for instance a separate BOARD
 for Writer,Draw, etc.  Each board could have its own tutorial 'pin' with a
 link to the respective landing page.  Their could be a board for the
 history, another for people behind the scenes, the imagination can go on -
 the webinar suggested using up to 32 boards, but you can have more. Each
 board displays 5 pins. Look at General Electrics site (
 pinterest.com/generalelectric)- notice how the images on their boards
 entice people to look around and create a bold statement (especially the
 first board). Another idea would be to reward those that contribute to
 openoffice by placing a 'I helped too' kind of board, people could repin
 their award on their own boards and their friends could see what they have
 been up to.


 Because this is increasing in popularity, and a great way to spread
 branding, I suggest reserving the openoffice username even if no one plans
 to use Pinterest yet.  Starbucks (pinterest.com/starbucks)has reserved
 their name, but does not use it yet.


 I have just signed up to use pinterest, and have not added anything to my
 boards yet. I do not know the way to get analytics yet, still reading about
 it, but the webinar mentioned this is available, as well as tracking
 keywords that are working for the competitors. So far it is by invitation
 from another pinterest user to set up an account.

 By the way, check out /microsoft - everyone is starting out, it seems.
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Pinterest

[Nancy K]

Hi!
I attended an hour webinar highlighting the use of Pinterest for businesses - 
B2C, B2B and also personal.  I learned that in less than a year, this social 
media format has surpassed youtube, google+, linkedin - and is now number 3 in 
usage under facebook and twitter (not sure which one of the latter is first). 

Terminology - PINS are images that you post on your BOARDS - like you would 
post picture cards on an office bulletin board.  The thing is that pins can be 
linked to a landing page, folks can 'REPIN' your pin (with its image and links) 
to their own Boards.  They can 'like', 'comment', REPIN. 

I can imagine ways that this could be used - for instance a separate BOARD for 
Writer,Draw, etc.  Each board could have its own tutorial 'pin' with a link to 
the respective landing page.  Their could be a board for the history, another 
for people behind the scenes, the imagination can go on - the webinar suggested 
using up to 32 boards, but you can have more. Each board displays 5 pins. Look 
at General Electrics site (pinterest.com/generalelectric)- notice how the 
images on their boards entice people to look around and create a bold statement 
(especially the first board). Another idea would be to reward those that 
contribute to openoffice by placing a 'I helped too' kind of board, people 
could repin their award on their own boards and their friends could see what 
they have been up to.


Because this is increasing in popularity, and a great way to spread branding, I 
suggest reserving the openoffice username even if no one plans to use Pinterest 
yet.  Starbucks (pinterest.com/starbucks)has reserved their name, but does not 
use it yet.  
 

I have just signed up to use pinterest, and have not added anything to my 
boards yet. I do not know the way to get analytics yet, still reading about it, 
but the webinar mentioned this is available, as well as tracking keywords that 
are working for the competitors. So far it is by invitation from another 
pinterest user to set up an account. 

By the way, check out /microsoft - everyone is starting out, it seems.
Nancy 


 
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Re: [WWW] new logo in staging only...I think we need a graphic modification

[Nancy K]

Wonderful! If Michael has the .psd or .ai vector original file, and we can all 
access it later, that will help us resize it without the fuzziness - and make 
further changes. 

I found the .psd and .ai feather file under 
apache.org/images http://www.apache.org/images/ if that will be helpful later 
in any redesign.  Is there a /image

It would be nice to add a dimension to the .jpg/.gif/.non-vector image file 
name instead of 'small' 'wide' - I would suggest a width - something like 
nameOfImage100px.jpg.

I am new - but noticed openoffice.org/images file and a cujrent folder for 
logos - good organization!
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 From: Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WWW] new logo in staging only...I think we need a graphic 
modification
 
Hello all members,

It's Michael Acevedo, I am away from the computer that holds the files
right now but I do have the original files if you need them. Where should I
send them?

Otherwise, I am deeply honored by having Apache selecting the my logo for
OpenOffice.

Please let me know.

On Thursday, April 5, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Guillaume Fernandez (Club) 
  guillm.fr...@club.fr wrote:
 
   Hi everyone,
  
  
   I think that kevin's changes are very important.
  
  
   1) The looks is indeed more profesionnal. The capitalization has
 enhanced
   the
   natural readability of the logo.
   The kerning is better while somewhat a little dense (intermediate
  position
   would
   be great).
  
  
   2) The look of the main webpage is crucial : we absolutly have to get a
   professional look and in my opinion this is not the case today.
  because
   of the
   JPEG quality and resolution (blurred image). We should improve the
  quality
   of
   the JPEG (or use a non-destructive PNG).
  
  
  +1.  When I voted in favor of that logo I assumed that was just an
 example
  rendering and that we had the SVG source for it, so we could scale it to
  other sizes.  If we do not have these sources, then I don't think the
 logo
  will work.
 
 
  
  
   Guillaume
   (I am a new suscriber here at ooo-dev).
  
   Hi Kevin,
   On 04.04.2012 05:55, Kevin Grignon wrote:
   Kay et al.
   I can help here. I have the skills and the tools.
   Beyond getting the right size, I'd like to propose a few other small
  tweak
   to
   the rendered logo. My proposed enhancements don't change the voted and
   approved
   concept, rather, they merely some polish to the concept as we move
  towards
   production consumption.
   See proposed enhancements: 4. Enhancements to Selected Logo Concept
  (Kevin
   Grignon - started 2012-04-04)
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals
  
   I like the change of Apache to gray but am not so sure about its
   capitalization. I understand the reason (after you pointed it out to us
   non-artists :) though.
   The kerning looks more homogeneous but somewhat dense. For example the
 i
   and c
   in Office seem to almost touch.
   Regards, Andre
   I'll need to access the source files.
   Regards, Kevin
  
   On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Kay Schenkkay@gmail.com wrote:
   On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Dave Fisherdave...@comcast.net
 wrote:
   On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
   On 04/03/2012 03:46 PM, drew jensen wrote:
   Maybe one of should drop Michael Acevedo a note, see if he already has
 a
   source
   file handy - xcf, svg.
   If not - I don't know of a svg (or any vector based) file for the bug
  part
   of
   the image - I know how to recreate one properly from the 256px png
 image
   and
   would be more then willing to do that, and recreate a likeness of the
 orb
   logo
   design all vector based and a jpg from that.
   I could likely have that here pretty quickly - it would be polite
 though
  to
   email Michael first however, I suppose.
   so - added him on CC to the mail here
   Howdy Michael,
   Good instincts on your proposal.. wondering if you have any source type
   fies for
   the jpg file posted t the wiki?
   //drew
  
   OK, maybe I was a bit confusing, and I hope this elaboration helps.
   What I think would be ideal is for someone to take the cropped image
  
  
   I
   did that is in svn at--
  
  
  It seems Kevin does indeed have the skills to deal with this, and no
 argument from me on any of these comments I would definitely be in favor of
 him re-doing what we've got in terms of approved content. I personally do
 NOT like the gray Apache -- it just seems too light to me, and yes, I
 question the capitalization.

 This being said...we would certainly welcome 

200x67pxRe: [WWW] New AOO logo source files now available in the Wiki...

[Nancy K]

Here is a quick .gif,by just downsizing Michaels .psd . In order to keep 
everything in proportion it comes to 200px by 67 px, - is that ok?
 
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 From: Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WWW] New AOO logo source files now available in the Wiki...
 
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Apache OpenOffice Community Members,

 I would like to let you know that as requested by the community, I have
 uploaded the Apache OpenOffice new logo into the Wiki. You can find them in
 the attachment section of the Logo Proposals page.

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals

 Scroll down to sub header #5...

 Thanks!

 --
 Best,
 Michael


SUPER! and thanks... OK, again, I am NOT a graphics guru...

Can someone with some graphics skill get this to 200 x 100 without losing
the lovely resolution? I could futz with it, but, well...I don't feel
confident about this.

If you can't do svn then please just go to the existing wiki logo page:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals

add another attachment and let us know.
-- 

MzK

Women and cats will do as they please,
and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
                                                                    --
Robert Heinlein

Re: [PROPOSAL] AOO logo rebranding...

[Nancy K]

I would vote for orb1 because it is a very neat and clean design.  
I must say that the way that the feather logo presents the word OPEN - the 
smaller wings leading the eye towards a larger set of wings and then an even 
larger blue word OPEN - is what I LOVE about that logo. 
Definitely a tough choice!
Good designs...and if you do not already have it, beta version of PhotoShop CS6 
is a free download until they sell it in May...just for you crafty folks.
Nancy
 
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 From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] AOO logo rebranding...
 
Ah, for the web site.  The coin drops.

Yes, definitely orb1 for me too.  

-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 18:57
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] AOO logo rebranding...

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 We're getting very close to a 3.4 launch, and the time has come to move
 forward with a logo rebranidng for at least the user portal  web site,
 http://www.openoffice.org, and possibly the project web site as well,
 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/.

 Quite a number of logo variations have been proposed for uses within
 OpenOffice, both internal to the program and other uses, page sidebars,
 Forum header, etc.

 The most recent discussion can be found at the following thread:

 http://markmail.org/thread/fvgwlvva5ziib7qg

 a conversation started by Rob on March 15.

 You will note that one of  the outcomes of this discussion was the desire
 that a new logo NOT include the word incubating in the logo.

 What I think we need to focus on now, and get Lazy Consensus on, is a new
 logo for the upcoming release, 3.4. Internally, we've already started
 calling OpenOffice.org Apache OpenOffice, and we need to move forward to
 complete this re-branding to the public.

 I've put 3 web header logos in...

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

 * AOO_orb1_logo_webSite.jpg
 http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO_orb1_logo_webSite.jpg
 * AOO_orb2_logo_webSite.jpg
 http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO_orb2_logo_webSite.jpg
 * AOOfeather_logo_webSite.png
 http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOOfeather_logo_webSite.png

 Please respond to this e-mail by selecting your favorite from these 3.



So hard to pick.  These are all good choices.  But I think
AOO_orb1_logo_webSite.jpg is the best choice for the website.

(My second choice would have been AOOfeather_logo_webSite.png.  I really
like that as well, but considering the wide range of languages spoken in
the larger user community, a logo that has the extra text slogan would be
less universal.)



 Given the Lazy Consenus process, discussion will be closed on Tuesday,
 April 2, 0900 PDT.
 Hopefully, we'll have a clear choice by then.


 
 MzK

 Women and cats will do as they please,
  and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
                                                                    --
 Robert Heinlein

HTML 5 Re: Doctype of websites

[Nancy K]

Please consider HTML5 - which is much easier and will soon be the standard. I 
have not figured out how to  make the template changes in OpenOffice, but if 
someone is doing that - this format leads to the future. Basically HTML5 means 
everything that is new in HTML - it is not the standard 'yet' but will be very 
soon.  Something to consider - 

W3Schools explains code format :
http://www.w3schools.com/html5/html5_intro.asp 


!DOCTYPE html
html
head
titleTitle of the document/title
/head

body
The content of the document..
/body

/html 


W3C Dev Editors draft updated daily:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html 


Doctype explained:

W3C schools
http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_doctype.asp 




HTML5 API File features
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/file_access



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 From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Doctype of websites
 

On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:22 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Joe Schaefer schrieb:
 
 From: Regina Henschelrb.hensc...@t-online.de
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Doctype of websites
 
 Hi Joe,
 
 Joe Schaefer schrieb:
 Those de.openoffice.org pages should redirect
 to www.openoffice.org/de pages, if not your
 DNS resolver is busted.
 
 I had indeed set de.openoffice.org to 192.9.163.104. Removing it makes
 redirecting work.
 
 That means the pages at de.openoffice.org had been the original ones,
 but will be deleted in near future. They had been imported to
 ooo-site.apache.org/de and here they have got a different doctype. Right?
 
 
 
 Well sort of. If you look at the actual document on the site
 you will probably find it contains an XHTML doctype even now.
 The thing is that the CMS build system as Dave has designed it
 will strip most of the header matter out of the file and replace
 it with a generic one supplied by a template.
 
 
 
    If that's not the problem
 then you need to refresh your pages as they
 are identical on the server.
 
 As to why the doctype is different from the original
 document, that's probably due to the way Dave worked
 out the templates for the site.  If we need to scrape
 the doctype out of each individual page that will require
 some perl coding work, some templating work,
 and another sledgehammer style commit- ie not something
 to be taken lightly.
 
 Our pages had been XHTML with all the differences to HTML. And we tried
 to produce valid pages (including W3C check button). It is not
 impossible to change the pages and it can be done bit by bit while
 reviewing the pages. But the aim should be clear.
 
 
 Well I can't advise you how to proceed from here, only point out
 that there is some impedance mismatch between how your site builds
 work and what's actually in these documents.  The choice seems
 to be either standardize all the documents on a common doctype
 or have the perl code pull the doctype out of the original document
 if it exists and pass it along to the template as an argument.
 
 
 You might even be better off just not supplying a doctype at all
 and letting the browser figure it out.  Up to you folks.
 
 
 If we want valid pages, a common doctype is needed because the inserted 
 part has to be written in a way, that it fits this doctype. For example you 
 need for the feather-logo an img .../ element in XHTML and in HTML only 
 img  So I think we need to agree on one doctype.
 
 Is it possible to count, how many pages of all are actually having an XHTML 
 doctype? (I'm not familiar with command line.)
 
 Kind regards
 Regina
 
 P.S. The feather img-Element is missing the alt-attribute.
 
 I have been looking into this. In general the skeleton is the non-compliant 
 part and is what should be changed. However there are many of the NLC sites 
 that are very much HTML.
 
 One more sledgehammer will happen ... but planning needs to be careful.
 
 
 What if we went subdomain by subdomain and ran HTML Tidy on the
 content to coerce it to a single doctype. Would that butcher things?

We have a file called content/brand.mdtext that controls the branding language 
and logo for each page. 

In templates we have templates/ssi.mdtext and templates/api/ssi.mdtext

David-Fishers-MacBook-Air:templates dave$ more ssi.mdtext
brand:  /brand.html
footer: /footer.html
topnav: /topnav.html
home:           home

I think that ssi.mdtext should add a line like:

doctype:    !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd;

And if mn needs a different treatment:

templates/mn/ssi.mdtext
brand:  /mn/brand.html
footer: /footer.html

Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers

[Nancy K]

Victims: 
* Is there a database of comments from development contributor and 
other contributors that we can use? If so, we could start at the top and 
approach the name of one who posted the most in the last year or so.  We could 
work our way down the list. They can always say 'not now...' or 'no way'!
* I like Rob's list of questions for starters - any more questions that 
would help in an interview?
* Is there a place set up to post the results? 
* Louis - you had experience doing this before, do you suggest emails, 
skype - free trials of Adobe Connect - anything helpful to use in an interview?
Nancy
 
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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers
 
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Rob, I offered to interview others since I have not done anything helpful to 
 the project yet. I am still avialable - I guess I hid my offer between ideas 
 on my last post.


Hi Nancy,

This is good.  We have three people willing to do interviews.  Now we
just need a willing victim, or two or three.   Plan B is we all
interview each other ;-)

-Rob


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  From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers

 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Something like this:

 1.  Email interview
 off-list with an AOO contributor.  Questions like:
 tell us about yourself, where you live, what you do for a living.
 What is your development machine?  How did you start working with
 OpenOffice?   Why?  What is your favorite contribution?  What other
 OSS projects do you work with?   Stuff
  like that.

 2. Interview might take several exchanges via email, to follow up on
 questions.  Interviewer then assembles this into a draft, reviews with
 interviewee.

 3. Interviewer then posts as a blog post, hopefully with a photograph
 of the interviewee.

 We have a lot of interesting people working on this project.  So I
 think we could have a
 lot of interesting posts from this.

 Any volunteers to be interviewed?  Any volunteers to do the interviewing?


 So far, all who commented think this is a great idea, not no one wants
 to volunteer.
 I'll happily volunteer.


 OK.  Maybe that will be enough of an incentive (or threat).  If no one
 else volunteers to be interviewed, I
  will interview Don for the blog,
 or worse, he will interview me ;-)

 -Rob

 I'm willing to do the interviewing if someone is willing to be
 interviewed.  Otherwise I'll just drop it.  The idea dies here.

 -Rob

 I'll volunteer to help, of course.

 -Rob

Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers

[Nancy K]

Rob, I offered to interview others since I have not done anything helpful to 
the project yet. I am still avialable - I guess I hid my offer between ideas on 
my last post. 


Nancy
 
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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers
 
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Something like this:

 1.  Email interview off-list with an AOO contributor.  Questions like:
 tell us about yourself, where you live, what you do for a living.
 What is your development machine?  How did you start working with
 OpenOffice?   Why?  What is your favorite contribution?  What other
 OSS projects do you work with?   Stuff
 like that.

 2. Interview might take several exchanges via email, to follow up on
 questions.  Interviewer then assembles this into a draft, reviews with
 interviewee.

 3. Interviewer then posts as a blog post, hopefully with a photograph
 of the interviewee.

 We have a lot of interesting people working on this project.  So I
 think we could have a lot of interesting posts from this.

 Any volunteers to be interviewed?  Any volunteers to do the interviewing?


 So far, all who commented think this is a great idea, not no one wants
 to volunteer.
 I'll happily volunteer.


OK.  Maybe that will be enough of an incentive (or threat).  If no one
else volunteers to be interviewed, I
 will interview Don for the blog,
or worse, he will interview me ;-)

-Rob

 I'm willing to do the interviewing if someone is willing to be
 interviewed.  Otherwise I'll just drop it.  The idea dies here.

 -Rob

 I'll volunteer to help, of course.

 -Rob

Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers

[Nancy K]

I think this is a fabulous idea - and would like your opinion or thoughts about 
using the interview time to gather website usability concerns:
1. While an interviewer has the team members attention, a survey of 
questions geared to usability could be presented at the same time.
2. Questions could include, for example: as a developer what kind of 
tools would you need handy on a developers page; as a tutorial writer, how 
could this website give you access to more easily upload your work; as a 
beginner how can we design this website so that you can more easily find your 
way around; overall, what pages do you use most/least? 
3. I envision a 'huddle' of web designers working up the survey 
questions and handing them to the interviewers for feedback.This could still be 
accomplished through a link to something like Survey Monkey - however, I think 
that two things could be accomplished at one time.I would like to volunteer 
time to interview and also work towards organizing and gathering information 
usable in your web design if that would be helpful.

Also - since there are worldwide volunteers, I only speak/write English.  And a 
personal note - I am going to use my volunteer organizing and interviewing time 
to see where I can fit in as a developer someday down the road.  I think your 
idea for the profile/blog is a great way to tour the many hands holding this 
project together!

Nancy

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 From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers
 
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 05:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Something like this:

 1.  Email interview off-list with an AOO contributor.  Questions like:
 tell us about yourself, where you live, what you do for a living.
 What is your development machine?  How did you start working with
 OpenOffice?   Why?  What is your favorite contribution?  What other
 OSS projects do you work with?   Stuff like that.

 2. Interview might take several exchanges via email, to follow up on
 questions.  Interviewer then assembles this into a draft, reviews with
 interviewee.

 3. Interviewer then posts as a blog post, hopefully with a photograph
 of the interviewee.

 We have a lot of interesting people working on this project.  So I
 think we could have a lot of interesting posts from this.

 Any volunteers to be interviewed?  Any volunteers to do the interviewing?

 I'll volunteer to help, of course.

 -Rob

This is an excellent idea. I wish I could volunteer to do some
interviewing, but I am too over-committed at this time to even
consider it.

I suggest also some interviews with contributors who are NOT
developers, to help spread the word that coding is not the only way to
contribute and that non-coders do valuable and often essential work.
Obviously some of the questions would be a bit different, but the idea
would be the same. I would love to be involved as both an interviewee
and and an interviewer, but not at this time.

--Jean

Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner

[Nancy K]

I found this interesting - as I too am trying to weed out the hype.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break 

 
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 From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
 
Hi,

I must say that I do not support these awful proposed laws. I've signed 
petitions to that effect as an individual.

While I support the idea of indicating our support. I think that it is a little 
late. If this proposal had come in a couple of days ago ...

Regards,
Dave

On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

 The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
 long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
 
 However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
 projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
 through.
 
 Ross
 
 On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts lo...@apache.org wrote:
 All,
 Proposal:
 
 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
 bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
 that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
 Wikipedia has a fair account:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
 
 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
 language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
 19 January 2012 GMT.
 
 
 ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
 darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
 of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
 them. **
 
 
 I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
 at the top of every podling page.
 
 Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
 
 thanks
 louis
 
 PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
 that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
 together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
 issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
 Programme Leader (Open Development)
 OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner

[Nancy K]

Grrr.broken, try
reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break  

 
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 From: Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
 
I found this interesting - as I too am trying to weed out the hype.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break 

 
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From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner

Hi,

I must say that I do not support these awful proposed laws. I've signed 
petitions to that effect as an individual.

While I support the idea of indicating our support. I think that it is a little 
late. If this proposal had come in a couple of days ago ...

Regards,
Dave

On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

 The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
 long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
 
 However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
 projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
 through.
 
 Ross
 
 On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts lo...@apache.org wrote:
 All,
 Proposal:
 
 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
 bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
 that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
 Wikipedia has a fair account:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
 
 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
 language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
 19 January 2012 GMT.
 
 
 ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
 darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
 of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
 them. **
 
 
 I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
 at the top of every podling page.
 
 Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
 
 thanks
 louis
 
 PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
 that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
 together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
 issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
 Programme Leader (Open Development)
 OpenDirective http://opendirective.com