Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
Hi Mark, That looks good - thank you for creating the bug report. As you will no doubt have seen, I have created a small folder in the incubator. I think that there are many rexx-ers who use Kedit, it is operationally close enough to Xedit to feel familiar to them and allows them to work the way they are used to on the mainframe without the console bound awkwardness of 'The'. Those two utilities make things a lot easier. I was going to make a point of how much cheaper than Slickedit Kedit is, but I see that the price of Kedit has gone up and the price of Slickedit has come down to the point where Slickedit is only just over twice as expensive as Kedit now. I think it was about ten times as much last time I looked. Kedit is being sunsetted, so I don't imagine it will attract many new users, and I expect most people who want these macros will have had them for a long time, but the rexindex was in desperate need of a bit of maintenance to cope with the evolution of ooRexx which has come such a long way in the last 10 years. Jon On 20 January 2014 18:25, Mark Miesfeld miesf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: If I get time, I will write a rexx sample script to download all files from a directory from sourceforge into a subfolder in your download folder. Not sure how, I could use rexcurl, but perhaps one wouldn't want one of Mark's utilities as a dependency for an ooRexx sample (although that might be a good thing). I could do it with ole IE, but I'm not sure whether that would work on Linux. Do you have thoughts? Jon, I have 2 thoughts 1.) I can't believe that SourceForge intends for the snapshot feature to work that way. So, if we open a bug I think they will fix it. It would be a very cool feature if it did work. https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/6552/ 2.) If we were to decide to allow / accept user contributions and actually want ooRexx users to be able to get those contributions, it would be more user friendly to have a section on the Files download page for them. Currently the download page has: Name Modified Totals: 10 Items oorexx 14 hours ago ooDialog2014-01-18 oorexx-docs 2013-12-09 ooSQLite2013-08-27 oorexxunit 2012-07-25 oorexx-buildutils 2010-08-18 RexxGTK 2009-11-01 OldFiles2009-07-17 windows-build-tools 2009-02-12 orxutils2006-09-15 I would suggest adding 1 more section: user-contributions 2014-04-11 And under that section have sections for individual contributions. I see several things in the incubator that would be easier for ooRexx users to access if they could be downloaded from the Files download pages. They could go under user-contributions: decimalFormat keditMacros mod_oorexx ooRexxShell ZabrodskyAAT -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: If I get time, I will write a rexx sample script to download all files from a directory from sourceforge into a subfolder in your download folder. Not sure how, I could use rexcurl, but perhaps one wouldn't want one of Mark's utilities as a dependency for an ooRexx sample (although that might be a good thing). I could do it with ole IE, but I'm not sure whether that would work on Linux. Do you have thoughts? Jon, I have 2 thoughts 1.) I can't believe that SourceForge intends for the snapshot feature to work that way. So, if we open a bug I think they will fix it. It would be a very cool feature if it did work. https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/6552/ 2.) If we were to decide to allow / accept user contributions and actually want ooRexx users to be able to get those contributions, it would be more user friendly to have a section on the Files download page for them. Currently the download page has: Name Modified Totals: 10 Items oorexx 14 hours ago ooDialog2014-01-18 oorexx-docs 2013-12-09 ooSQLite2013-08-27 oorexxunit 2012-07-25 oorexx-buildutils 2010-08-18 RexxGTK 2009-11-01 OldFiles2009-07-17 windows-build-tools 2009-02-12 orxutils2006-09-15 I would suggest adding 1 more section: user-contributions 2014-04-11 And under that section have sections for individual contributions. I see several things in the incubator that would be easier for ooRexx users to access if they could be downloaded from the Files download pages. They could go under user-contributions: decimalFormat keditMacros mod_oorexx ooRexxShell ZabrodskyAAT -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
[Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on. Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been doing on ooDialog). So several years ago, I let the site go. I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu. It was freely available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded and used it. I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last available version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives. The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use of the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding directives with white-space. I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is somewhere more appropriate for it. Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has not been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to it. If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license header. (I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would like to do the same with) thanks, Jon -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
May I offer my dropbox to store them (and make them available to those who have the link)? Regards Walter Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz schrieb: Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on. Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been doing on ooDialog). So several years ago, I let the site go. I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu. It was freely available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded and used it. I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last available version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives. The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use of the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding directives with white-space. I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is somewhere more appropriate for it. Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has not been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to it. If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license header. (I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would like to do the same with) thanks, Jon -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
Hi Walter, Thank you. I would be happy with that and send them to you (off the list - so that non-Kedit users are not forced to download them) However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier to find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put them there. thanks, Jon On 19 January 2014 09:37, Walter Pachl christel.u.w.pa...@chello.at wrote: May I offer my dropbox to store them (and make them available to those who have the link)? Regards Walter Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz schrieb: Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on. Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been doing on ooDialog). So several years ago, I let the site go. I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu. It was freely available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded and used it. I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last available version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives. The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use of the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding directives with white-space. I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is somewhere more appropriate for it. Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has not been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to it. If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license header. (I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would like to do the same with) thanks, Jon -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier to find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put them there. Jon, I think it is perfectly acceptable for you to put them in the SVN repository. I think the incubator is the best current place. Although, I would also be in favor of starting a new branch for user contributions. I have thought about having a place for user contributions often, but not deeply. By that I mean it has crossed my mind a lot but I've never gone to the effort of proposing it to the team or thinking about how to implement it If we had a branch in the repository for user contributions, and a developer willing to maintain a section in the Files downloads section for the contributions that would be ideal. When you browse the svn tree in the project there is a link called Shapshot, which I had assumed would give you a tar or zip file of just the current directory. But, I just tried it to see how easy it would be for users to get something from the incubator. I tried it with Lee's decimalFormat: Tree [r9855] https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/9855/ / incubatorhttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/ / decimalFormathttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/decimalFormat/ / unfortunately, it took forever to create and produced a 256,784,919 byte file, which looks to be the entire repository. I'm sure Mike would point out to me that this was hardly user friendly. ;-) So we already have some stuff in the incubator that would make a good start towards a user contributions section. I realize that Lee was a committer, but it's sort of a shame that his decimal formatter is not available to the casual user. Anyhow, I think the idea of accepting user contributions is worth talking about and maybe implementing. But, as a committer, I think you can certainly set up something to make your utilities easily available to ooRexx users, and you should go for it. -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
Hi Mark, thanks for that. I will pop the scripts in the incubator. If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code SVN repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing of it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file is downloaded using your web browser. Does that not work for you? I know you usually write back very quickly, but there is no hurry - bed time here! Jon On 19 January 2014 17:49, Mark Miesfeld miesf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier to find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put them there. Jon, I think it is perfectly acceptable for you to put them in the SVN repository. I think the incubator is the best current place. Although, I would also be in favor of starting a new branch for user contributions. I have thought about having a place for user contributions often, but not deeply. By that I mean it has crossed my mind a lot but I've never gone to the effort of proposing it to the team or thinking about how to implement it If we had a branch in the repository for user contributions, and a developer willing to maintain a section in the Files downloads section for the contributions that would be ideal. When you browse the svn tree in the project there is a link called Shapshot, which I had assumed would give you a tar or zip file of just the current directory. But, I just tried it to see how easy it would be for users to get something from the incubator. I tried it with Lee's decimalFormat: Tree [r9855] https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/9855/ / incubatorhttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/ / decimalFormathttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/decimalFormat/ / unfortunately, it took forever to create and produced a 256,784,919 byte file, which looks to be the entire repository. I'm sure Mike would point out to me that this was hardly user friendly. ;-) So we already have some stuff in the incubator that would make a good start towards a user contributions section. I realize that Lee was a committer, but it's sort of a shame that his decimal formatter is not available to the casual user. Anyhow, I think the idea of accepting user contributions is worth talking about and maybe implementing. But, as a committer, I think you can certainly set up something to make your utilities easily available to ooRexx users, and you should go for it. -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code SVN repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing of it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file is downloaded using your web browser. Does that not work for you? Jon, Yes that does work. But, using decimalFormat as an example. If you navigate through the tree to get to /incubator/decimalFormat, there are 4 files from Lee. There is nothing to indicate to the user that you can download a file. Nothing to indicate that if you click on a file you are then able to download it. Plus, once you do know that, it is a little tedious to download them 1 by 1. However at the top of that page there is: Tree [r9856] https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/9856/ / incubatorhttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/ / decimalFormathttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/decimalFormat/ / Download Snapshot My assumption was that Download Snapshot would download all 4 files as a group. Which would certainly be more convenient then clicking on each file one by one and downloading them individually. But, it doesn't. Instead SourceForge takes 5 or 10 minutes to generate a 256 MB zip file that, if you do download and unzip, doesn't even contain a single decimalFormat file. As the person who argued to Mike that SourceForge was easy for people to use, I can't even think of where to start with an argument that this would be good for ooRexx users. ;-) Anyway, I'm not trying to dissuade you from putting your files in the incubator and giving out directions on hot to get them. I think you should. Maybe we can get SourceForge to fix or enhance the Download Snapshot so that it works the way I would intuitively expect it to work. -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it
Hi Mark, Yes, I noticed the download snapshot, but having had your warning didn't press it. Like most people, every improvement sourceforge make leaves me more baffled! If I get time, I will write a rexx sample script to download all files from a directory from sourceforge into a subfolder in your download folder. Not sure how, I could use rexcurl, but perhaps one wouldn't want one of Mark's utilities as a dependency for an ooRexx sample (although that might be a good thing). I could do it with ole IE, but I'm not sure whether that would work on Linux. Do you have thoughts? Jon On 20 January 2014 00:11, Mark Miesfeld miesf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code SVN repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing of it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file is downloaded using your web browser. Does that not work for you? Jon, Yes that does work. But, using decimalFormat as an example. If you navigate through the tree to get to /incubator/decimalFormat, there are 4 files from Lee. There is nothing to indicate to the user that you can download a file. Nothing to indicate that if you click on a file you are then able to download it. Plus, once you do know that, it is a little tedious to download them 1 by 1. However at the top of that page there is: Tree [r9856] https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/9856/ / incubatorhttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/ / decimalFormathttps://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/code-0/HEAD/tree/incubator/decimalFormat/ / Download Snapshot My assumption was that Download Snapshot would download all 4 files as a group. Which would certainly be more convenient then clicking on each file one by one and downloading them individually. But, it doesn't. Instead SourceForge takes 5 or 10 minutes to generate a 256 MB zip file that, if you do download and unzip, doesn't even contain a single decimalFormat file. As the person who argued to Mike that SourceForge was easy for people to use, I can't even think of where to start with an argument that this would be good for ooRexx users. ;-) Anyway, I'm not trying to dissuade you from putting your files in the incubator and giving out directions on hot to get them. I think you should. Maybe we can get SourceForge to fix or enhance the Download Snapshot so that it works the way I would intuitively expect it to work. -- Mark Miesfeld -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
